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    Army or not?

    After reading this article I have a feeling that Karabagh will not have an army in the future. Or am I just misinterpreting it? According to Reuters, the new plan would only "nominally" leave Artsax in Azerbaijan and give it a land corridor to Armenia. In return, the Armenianside would have to return occupied lands in Azerbaijan proper and guarantee unfettered communication between Azerbaijan and its Nakhichevan exclave. The Azerbaijani news agency Turan, citing "foreign diplomatic sources," also reported that the Artsax Armenians would enjoy de-facto independence.
  2. MJ I think that is a personal matter as to how many and who? Regarding the amot phrase I wasn't the one talking about if you had sex or not.
  3. MJ I think that is a personal matter as to how many and who? Regarding the amot phrase I wasn't the one talking about if you had sex or not.
  4. Originally posted by Pilafhead: Have you or will you sleep with women before you get married? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike, MJ He hasn't, as well as some others. Be understanding Wow did this one pass by me. MJ don't speak so confidently about something you dont know. Amot kez. Chi kareli che yerdasart(et hartsov). Gayane lav business es anum.
  5. You are a Circissian who denies the Armenian Genocide the way many Turks do. Please don't say that you have praised Armenians. You are full of lies. I do listen when it comes to people I respect.
  6. MJ I have always respected you. But, I think what you said to Tigranness was not called for. Let him live his life with his beliefs(like many in AYF) just like he lets you. He might at times seem radical but that is just because of his love for Armenia and Armenians. Circissian as far as you talking about being unbiased and having feelings for the other side is a complete lie. As I recall seeing you in turkey.com where you bash at Armenians and after many documents were submitted to you you still are a ignorant liar like many of the Turks. [ April 30, 2001: Message edited by: art ]
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  8. This article almost made me cry. We might not have a independent Armenia in 10 years. Our people are starving to death in this white genocide in Armenia. A Desperate, Destitute Nation Deserts Itself Armenia: Massive exodus dashes dreams born with independence in 1991. Monday, April 30, 2001 Los Angeles Times By JOHN DANISZEWSKI, Times Staff Writer CHARENTSAVAN, Armenia--Masis Kocharian is a typical resident of this town, which is to say that he is tired, poor and yearning to be gone. He is so desperate to get away--like half of the town before him--that given the chance he will offer you his two-room apartment in a workers dormitory and all the furnishings. All he asks for in return is bus fare to Russia and a few dollars to get settled there--maybe $250 at most. "And I promise," he adds, "you will never see me again." To Armenian patriots, Kocharian is an all too common example of a national dream gone sour. For centuries, Armenians were a people without a state, ruled over by Turks, Persians, Mongols and Russians. In World War I - their blackest hour - they were rounded up, starved, raped and murdered in a genocide that foreshadowed the worst crimes of the century. Those who survived took sanctuary under Soviet rule or scattered across Europe, the Middle East and the Americas, keeping alive their 1,700-year-old Christian faith, their customs and their language with its unique alphabet invented by a monk in AD 404. Then, in 1991, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, an unforeseen opportunity opened up. For the first time since the Middle Ages, the Armenian people had their own sovereign state, a homeland where they could return, prosper and build a secure future for their children. Ten years later, however, the hopes remain unfulfilled. Instead of the Armenian diaspora flocking home to build their country, the opposite is occurring: Armenians are leaving at an alarming pace. Of the nearly 3.7 million living in the country at the time of independence, an estimated 1 million have left. Standing in the square of this poverty-ridden factory town, where all nine plants have shut down, it's easy to see why they go. Clothes are shabby. Cheeks are hollow. Belts are cinched tight. Desperation is written on almost every face. And almost every day, the buses leave for Russia and beyond, carrying a new cargo of emigrants. Designed as a model industrial city 20 miles north of the capital, Yerevan, to serve the aims of the Soviet Union, Charentsavan lost its economic purpose when the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Cut off both from raw materials and customers, its defense, tool, cement and machine-making factories collapsed. Armenia's six-year war with its eastern neighbor, Azerbaijan, over the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Artsax, and a consequent trade embargo with its western neighbor, Turkey, only worsened the suffering. The town began to wither. Out of a population of 45,000, more than 20,000 people have left, says Charentsavan Mayor Rudolf Mnatsakian. Of those still here, at most 2,200 have jobs. "It is a tragedy for our town and for Armenia," he says. "We are trying to stop the emigration, but nature is stronger: If there is nothing to eat in a family, it is only logical to leave." Bus station manager Yuri Gasparian adds it up: "The math is simple. An average monthly salary is $6, while a kilo of bread costs 38 cents. So your salary is not even enough to buy you bread and water." Despite Foreign Aid, 80% Live in Poverty Charentsavan is not unique in Armenia. Aside from the thin layer of development in the capital, the country is grindingly poor. Despite $1.4 billion in U.S. aid over the past decade, and the government's attempts to promote commerce and investment, 80% of the country's people live in poverty on less than $25 a month, says sociologist Gevorg Poghosyan. The official unemployment rate is 17%, but a more accurate figure is 50%, he says. And even people who have jobs often don't get paid. Under the circumstances, economic emigration has hidden benefits for Armenia, Poghosyan points out. Those who leave find jobs abroad--mostly in Russia--and send money back to their dependents here. "It means less social and political tension, because those people are not all here demanding work," he says. But on the other side, "it is very bad, because we have lost our population. Armenia is being depopulated. Families are breaking up," he says. "And those who are leaving are the ones who are the most economically active." The emigration is also reflected demographically. With so many men working abroad, Poghosyan says, there are now 57 women to every 43 men, an imbalance that hinders the creation of families. Poghosyan, head of the Armenian Sociological Assn., says that three-fifths of the emigres go to Russia because it is nearby and because they have no language difficulties there. One-fifth go to Western Europe or the United States, and the others are dispersing around the world. (There are many more ethnic Armenians outside Armenia than inside it. Southern California, with 800,000, is considered the world's second-largest Armenian center after Yerevan.) "If you have the chance to leave Armenia, you must do it," says Kocharian, the man desperate to sell his apartment. "And as soon as possible." Kocharian and his wife live on the fifth floor of the workers dormitory. He has not seen their children in the four years since he sent them to live with relatives in Russia. At the moment, he says, he cannot even afford a stamp to answer his son's latest letter. Once a driver, Kocharian has not held a steady job in 10 years. "Now I survive on buying things cheaply and then trying to sell them in a different village, with a very small markup," he says. "But it gives me too little." If he makes it to Russia, he vows, he will be happy to dig the earth with a rusty spade or to clean toilets--anything to survive. History Weighs Heavy on an Ancient Society The principal of Charentsavan High School No. 5, Pap Shakhnazarian, says he has seen enrollment fall from 1,175 in 1986, when he started as a mathematics teacher, to 560. Forty students have left since September. "If the exodus of Armenians is not stopped, there will be no one left in this country in a couple of years," Shakhnazarian says. "It is strange, this feeling like a boarder in your own country. You know that . . . sooner or later, you too will have to leave." The other two newly independent ex-Soviet states next door, Georgia and Azerbaijan, have also seen their populations severely depleted, losing more than half a million people each, for similar reasons. But the exodus is especially poignant for Armenia, whose people have paid a bitter price in the last century for the lack of a secure state. Armenians are one of the oldest societies in recorded history. They were known 2,500 years ago to ancient Persia, mentioned by Greek historian Herodotus and described by the geographer Strabo before the birth of Christ. Contemporary Armenians regard themselves as the descendants of the sons of Noah, whose ark after the flood is supposed to have landed on Ararat, the snow-glazed mount that they consider their national emblem. From any tall building in Yerevan today, one can easily see Ararat rising majestically nearly 17,000 feet, its green-gray slopes and rounded peak dominating the horizon. But it is difficult for Armenians to go there. Mt. Ararat now lies on the other side of a heavily fortified frontier with Turkey. The sight of it is a daily reminder to Armenians of how they were cut off from the western sphere of their traditional land in what they consider the first example of genocide in the 20th century. "Every morning I look at it, and every morning I remember what happened to my family," says Prime Minister Andranik Markaryan, whose grandparents lived in what was then called Turkish Armenia. Historians differ on how many people died at the hands of Turkish nationalists in 1915 and 1916. Outside Turkey, estimates up to 1.5 million are generally accepted. But Turkey itself denies that there was ever an organized plan to exterminate Armenians en masse. To the Armenians, however, the results speak for themselves, says Lavrenty Barsekian, director of the Armenian Genocide Museum and Memorial, a Soviet-built gray granite needle rising 144 feet above a hill overlooking Yerevan. Barsekian notes that today's Armenia is only a remnant, the smaller portion of Armenian lands that fortunately were under Russian rule at the time of the genocide. He credits Armenians abroad, the descendants of those who fled or were deported, with keeping alive the memory of those who were killed. "The world must remember these acts, so that a genocide will never be repeated in the 21st century," he says. Outside Yerevan, in the peaceful, tree-lined precincts of Echmiadzin, the home of His Holiness Karekin II, the Supreme Patriarch and Catholicos of All Armenians, the tragedies of the genocide and the nation's present economic crisis intermingle in the minds of clerics. Sitting outside the main cathedral, where a petrified relic of Noah's Ark is said to be preserved, a newly minted priest, 24-year-old Father Ignatius, expresses his feelings. "I can only say with confidence that the church hopes for a better future," he says. "Now there are no obstacles. For our nation, now is the time that the economic revival and the spiritual revival can begin." --- Alexei V. Kuznetsov of The Times' Moscow Bureau contributed to this report. Copyright © 2001 Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates...menia010430.htm
  9. PACE: Recognition of the genocide perpetrated against the Azeri population by the Armenians Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) Doc. 9066 26 April 2001 Written Declaration No. 324 This written declaration commits only the members who have signed it Genocide became an integral part of the Azeri history starting from the partition of the Azeri lands with the treaties of Gulustan in 1813 and Turkmenchay in 1828. The Armenians carried out massacres against the Azeris in 1905-1907 in order to achieve "the Greater Armenia". In March 1918 the Armenians purged the Azeris from Baku, Shamakhy, Guba, Garabakh, Zangezur, Nakhchivan, Lankaran and other regions of Azerbaijan. With the help of the Soviet regime, Armenia annexed Zangezur and other Azeri lands in 1920. The Communist regime deported the Azeri population from their historical lands in Armenia to Azerbaijan from 1948-1953. >From the beginning of the Nagorno-Artsax conflict in 1988 hundreds of thousands of Azeris were deported from their historical lands. On 26 February 1992, Armenians massacred the whole population of Khodjaly and fully destroyed the city. Armenian separatism in Nagorno-Artsax and the ongoing Armenian occupation of 20 per cent of the Azeri territory has resulted in thousands of deaths and more than a million refugees. The undersigned, members of the Assembly, appeal to all the members of the Parliamentary Assembly to take the necessary steps to recognise the genocide perpetrated by the Armenians against the Azeri population from the beginning of the 19th Century. Signed [1] : Aliyev Ý, Azerbaijan, EDG Akçalý, Turkey, EDG Akgönenç, Turkey, EDG Aliyev G., Azerbaijan, EDG Begaj, Albania, SOC Cerrahoðlu, Turkey, EDG Davis, United Kingdom, SOC Dokle, Albania, SOC Glesener, Luxembourg, EPP/CD Gül, Turkey, EDG Gülek, Turkey, SOC Gürkan, Turkey, SOC Hajiyeva, Azerbaijan, EPP/CD Huseynov R., Azerbaijan, EPP/CD Ýbrahimov, Azerbaijan, UEL Ýrtemçelik, Turkey, EDG Iwýnski, Poland, SOC Kalkan, Turkey, EDG Loutfi, Bulgaria, LDR Mutman, Turkey, SOC Poloz(hani, "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", EDG Saele, Norway, EPP/CD Saðlam, Turkey, EPP/CD Seyidov, Azerbaijan, EDG Shakhtakhtinskaya, Azerbaijan, EDG Tanýk, Turkey, EDG Taylor, United Kingdom, EPP/CD Telek, Turkey, EDG Vakilov, Azerbaijan, EDG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Next Article][Previous Article][Main Index]
  10. How about yourself Circassian do you recognize the Armenian Genocide or are you part of it in the denying role?
  11. I think that is the parents decision if they want their daughter or son to engage in activites with a Turk. In the future I would not allow my daughter to talk to a Turk. That is how I feel and my decision as a parent even though I'm not one. Until Turkey recognizes the Armenian Genocide every Armenian in this world will be skeptical when talking to a Turk.
  12. Did the also say that they want to kill all 60 million Turks and rape all your women? You already received some welcome responses from members here about having a conversation so why dont you do so.
  13. hahahaha thats exactly what went through my mind
  14. About a week ago while I was playing chess a Turk whos name was talaatpassa sent me a message saying yes we did kill 1.5 millions Armenians. He found out I was Armenian cuz my sn on the chess program was Echmiadzin. In my mind I was like wow I guess there are Turks who recognize what they have done. So then he sent a message saying there is 2 million left for us to finish. He said all Ermenis are enemies of the Turkish State and that in about 10 years Turks will freely walk into Yerevan because there will be no one living there. At last he said 1 million more women will be raped and become Turkish and that will be the end of Armenia.
  15. The guy who wrote this seems like some kind of molester. He speaks of the girls body like its some type of object. What a sick bastard. [ April 13, 2001: Message edited by: art ]
  16. How many of you will be participating in the protest in Little Armenia?
  17. art

    Turkish friend

    I would want a know a Turkish man so I could understand their feelings towards Armenians. But to go as far as to have a Turkish girlfriend, I don't think so.
  18. art

    Is there meaning to life?

    I get the point MJ. : ) Can you tell us your personal opinion on the topic? Lately I have been reading the books by Carlos Castaneda whose life revolves around Don Juan(who I feed to be truly amazing) the Yaqui Indian. Don Juan is best at describing life and its ways.
  19. art

    Is there meaning to life?

    I feel like most people are living in a dream world where they dont really realize the meaning of life itself. Our life span(usually 73 yrs.) doesn't even make up 1/1000000 of a percent on this universe. We're are born then we die. Would it make a difference if we weren't born? Does our existence have meaning? I know my mood sounds extremly pessimistic.
  20. I have read several books covering this topic by authors such as Kafka and Frankl. It has only left me to ponder more questions than resolving the ones I had before. I would also like to know if the meaningless of life plays a role in the suicide of man. [ April 02, 2001: Message edited by: art ]
  21. Mosjan isk ghi. Karak angleren grek vo hetev shat yerkar e tervum michev kartumes hayerena? mersi
  22. Even though the objectives of the Dashnaks seems to be radical at first it is well thought for the future of Armenia. I believe that Dashnaks can be the only saviour for Armenia. They saved Armenia in the first world war in Karabagh and in the future war with Turkey. Many of the Diasporan Armenians are Dashnaks so with the Dashnaks taking over this will bring our people together. Long live Dashnaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  23. art

    New war over Karabach

    I have read that in the Central Caucasian area the most well prepared armies are those of Karabagh, Armenia and Uzbekistan. So I think it would be a big mistake for Aliyev to declare war. It will put peace behind another 10 years.
  24. Overprotective dad is just grotesque (new word ) The first time I heard that song I felt disgust toward Armenian girls. Most of the time I think of our beautiful girls as pure in all manners. This song could depict some girls but not all. Nice reply Sulamita jan.
  25. I was getting a wonderful shoulder rub down in English class till the teacher came and said "Christine thats enough pay attention to the movie." Ruined my whole day
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