The Famous Dvd.

[DominO123]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...6410249066&rd=1

 

Another moron abusing ebay. How can someone give limitless of those DVD? This is suspicious at best.

[Azat]

This kind of shit realy pisses me off.

[Stormig]

How come e-bay allows this kind of stuff?

[Sip]

A whole bunch of people should buy it and then leave negative feedback saying it's a DVD with false info

[hytga]

we should contact ebay complaining not to allow their pages be used for denialist propoganda

[gamavor]

The funny part is that the cover of the DVD shows St. Sophia, The Trojian Horse, Roman and Greek achropolos and maybe some Armenian churches in the background. And YES the country is neither Rome, nor Greece, nor Armenia. The country that have all these tresures is called Turkey!

 

Bastards!

[hytga]

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follow the above link and report the item (look for the report link at the bottom) 6410249066

Edited July 3, 2005 by hytga

[phantom22]

No reason that we can't put together a scholarly DVD with Dadrian and a lot of prominent Herya Holocaust scholars and distribute it for free. We have some major Armenian philanthropists who support numerous Armenian charities with their billions of assets.

[Verginne]

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/offensive.html

 

follow the above link and report the item (look for the report link at the bottom) 6410249066

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I went through that process several days ago, besides us reporting it to the ANC Canada and US.

 

Now I was able to find a Customer Service phone number, but I have to try it during the week probably.

 

 

408-376-7400

[Dave]

An article about the DVD has appeared in Azg.

 

http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2005070201

[Nakharar]

How they did this I don't know. We can learn a thing or two from them. I've got to hand it to them they really pulled off a coup here. Instead of concentrating on one e-bay seller and trying to ban him (how very typical of us) we should go after the big fish.

[Armat]

Inferior and insecure people would do anything to feel better including persistent lying. Nothing-new here and I bet the same morons would get this DVD to solidify their cowardly brain cavity, which has been rotting for decades.

What is funny how this turk answered an Armenian

 

Would you mind supplying that DVD to an Armenian

Jun-30-05

A: Dear Sir I would like to make my posision clear, I have no problems with the Armenians and I have many friends Who are armenians, Good ones too,

It's like a code.If the Armenian "friends" were "bad" then they deserved to be eliminated .

What a moronic question also from this Armenian

!

[hytga]

"good ones too" as if all armenians are bad and he actually had good armenian friends, something that's unbelieveable even for him

 

Edit: how can he have bad armenian firends? did he actually need to imply that armenians are generally bad? This tells us a thing or two about this misterious seller and his agenda. If that wasn't already obveous

 

News flash. Did you guys know that armenians were responsible for jewish deaths during the nazi period?

Edited July 4, 2005 by hytga

[hytga]

ha ha ha .

There we go. That's more like it

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[Verginne]

How they did this I don't know. We can learn a thing or two from them. I've got to hand it to them they really pulled off a coup here. Instead of concentrating on one e-bay seller and trying to ban him (how very typical of us) we should go after the big fish.

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I hope you don't think the turks came up with this idea all on their own. So go after the big fish? That's what we've been saying all along. turks alone are small fry, but the big fish is israel and the jewish lobbies.

 

I was gratified that earlier the response from ebay finally arrived.

[Arpa]

Barev Hytga

Remember this?

In response to my “gobble-gobble”?



“Arpa goble goble or no goble goble they get their job done. We should take action not make fun of the gobleing noise.”

 

 

In response to my “gobble-gobble”, this?

Hey people!

Why the sadness and long face ;

http://www.roches.com/discography/whythelongface.html

 

It is time to celebrate and rejoice.

 



 



 

 

We have spoken about this before.

Watch how that gobble-gobble bird/turchun is losing its feathers/peturs, running from Washington to Berlin , from NYT to Time Magazine trying to stop the damage.

Ankara has never been so frazzled before. She has never before shot herself in the foot as now.

Armenians massacred 3 million Turks?

 

You wish!!

By these wretched souls?

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?titl...Genocide_Photos

 

Maybe we should have massacred 299,999,999 of them and left the remaining to the mercy or Gamavor.

DVD and

Are there any cartoonist/artists among us to prepare a parody to show how one Jew exterminated 6 million Nazis and how the Native American massacred and exterminated Anglos of America?

Comedy and farce in action!!!

 

What we need to do is prepare a totally comedic DVD and write to those publications in a totally sarcastic , ridiculing and comedic style. Do not render those whores the dignity of a civil response that they don’t deserve.

 

Let me repeat all of the above and add a few more points.

The management of E-bay should be congratulated and thanked for their wisdom and integrity, and they should be encouraged to issue a correction. That they do not and will tolerate their site be used for false propaganda and racial hate.

 

And as we’re at it, I still insist that we prepare a sarcastic and farcical docudrama ridiculing them . We may employ the services of Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck (or Turkey Lurkey) as the personnae dramatis.

We may also urge the Germans to prepare such gobble di gook showing the world how the Jews exterminated 60 million German, 20 million Poles and 50 million Russians. Just as the Americans should compose a cartoon to show the world how the natives massacred 100 million Anglos.

 

Let the comedy begin.

 

This turkey has never before been so ruffled.

They are shooting themselves in the foot. Give them more bullets.

They are hanging themselves. Give them more rope.

 

I wonder who they expect to believe all that garbage.

[hytga]

hi Arpa jan. I remember the quote. It really cannot be stressed enough that as many people as possible that subscribe to Time or not, send a letter showing their disgust, and demand an action from Time to correct this garbage. Followed by lawsuits in Europe and U.S. if they fail to do so. If we let this pass by...

 

Anyway. You all know what i wanted to say. Ther's no need to repeat things over and over again.

 

farcical docudrama

[Azat]

I hope you don't think the turks came up with this idea all on their own.  So go after the big fish?  That's what we've been saying all along.  turks alone are small fry, but the big fish is israel and the jewish lobbies.

 

I was gratified that earlier the response from ebay finally arrived.

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[sarcasm]Jewish lobbies are only the mid size fish. The big fish is the Christian lobby that is putting the wrong politicians in office in the US. I say we go after the church.[/sarcasm]

 

Anoush, you must have had a Jewish boyfriend that must have left you at the alter or something.

[Nakharar]

I hope you don't think the turks came up with this idea all on their own.  So go after the big fish?  That's what we've been saying all along.  turks alone are small fry, but the big fish is israel and the jewish lobbies.

 

I was gratified that earlier the response from ebay finally arrived.

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I was referring to the real big fish not some imaginary one like you have mentioned. You give them more credit than they are due. Underestimating the Turks is what got us to this pitiful state in the first place. (And I don't mean this DVD affair in case you can't read between the lines.) I'm curious which person or organization is behind this whole thing.

[Verginne]

[sarcasm]Jewish lobbies are only the mid size fish.  The big fish is the Christian lobby that is putting the wrong politicians in office in the US.  I say we go after the church.[/sarcasm]

 

Christian lobby? There is no such thing. Those people are pseudochristian zionists whose only purpose in life is to bring the second coming and in order to make that happen, they have to serve the jew. Who do you think these televangelists get their ideas and financing from?

 

Anoush, you must have had a Jewish boyfriend that must have left you at the alter or something.

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Isn't it against the guidelines here to insult people?

[shaunt]

Another evil Jewish organization:

 

The Armenian Genocide: Annihilation of the Armenian Population of the Ottoman Empire 1915-1923 — Linking contemporary human rights violations with the first genocide of modern times, this thought-provoking documentary raises questions about ethnic and racial discrimination and illuminates, through one example, how oppression can escalate to the level of atrocity. The 1991 program outlines the 3000-year Armenian heritage, Turkish invasions and subjugation, the diminishing Ottoman Empire in which Armenians experienced increased persecutions, and the rise of extreme Turkish nationalists who systematically exterminated 1.5 million Armenians. Archival footage and photographs, interviews and survivors and descendants, maps, press clippings, and location footage document death marches, beheadings, starvation, mass burnings and drownings, forced conversions, deportations, and the annihilation of Armenians from their ancient homeland. A 12-page spiralbound guide contains background, review questions, extension activities, and an annotated bibliography. Grades 9-12. Colour and black-and-white. 25 minutes. Atlantis.

 

 

 

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/hh-teachers/guide11.html

Edited July 6, 2005 by shaunt

[Verginne]

Nothing more than an inconsequential BONE.

 

 

Jewish-American coalition recognizes Turkey's vital importance in the region (PART II )

· Jewish-American representative pledges: 'We will be Turkey's friends officially in Congress' and work to help get favorable legislation passed

· Armenian-American and Greek-American opposition became especially evident when Jewish-American groups placed an advertisement congratulating Turkey on its 75th anniversary in several newspapers

· Jacobs agreed that the Turkish lobby in the United States was very small, unorganized and almost nonexistent, while Turks in general failed to understand modern lobbying process

· By coming together and joining forces, five Jewish organizations effectively supported a piece of 1998 legislation called the Silk Road Strategy Act, which draws attention to Central Asia

· Jacobs: The US should do what it can to encourage Azerbaijan, especially in light of Israel's relationship with Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan's general relationship with the West

 

YASEMIN DOBRA-MANCO

Istanbul - Turkish Daily News

"Over the last two to three years, the Jewish-American community, under the leadership of a few organizations, has decided that the relationship between Israel and Turkey and Turkey's importance on a host of other issues requires that we take an active and vigorous role in being friends of Turkey in the United States," stated Barry Jacobs, assistant director of the American Jewish Committee. This translates into many things, he continued, "but specifically translates that we will champion to the best of our ability Turkish interests in the U.S. Congress. We will be Turkey's friends officially in Congress" and work to help get favorable legislation passed.

However, the interests of ethnic groups in the United States sometimes clash with one another. Jacobs described the result of the position taken by Jewish-American groups who support Turkey, saying: "This has brought us into open conflict with Greek- Americans and Armenian-Americans. It has been welcomed by the Turkish government, but we have paid a price. The price has been that we have the Greek- and Armenian-Americans very angry at us."

Jewish groups honor 75th anniversary of Turkish Republic

In celebration of the ties developed between Jews and Turks over the centuries, Jewish-American organizations placed an advertisement in newspapers honoring the Turkish Republic's 75th anniversary.

The first advertisement appeared in Washington's Turkish Times on Nov. 15, 1998 and was later reprinted as a full-page advertisement in The New York Times [at a cost of $65,000], as well as in the International Herald Tribune. This caught many American Jews by surprise, said Jacobs. The advertisements prompted comments, questions, letters and angry phone calls from a wide array of readers inquiring why Jewish-American organizations had done this.

Armenian-American and Greek-American opposition was especially evident, and it included the responses of very prominent Jewish- Americans who work on the behalf of some anti-Turkish lobbies. "We received criticism from our own members, who asked, 'Why are we supporting Turkey, which has a terrible human rights record?'" He commented that as friends of Turkey, "we understand that Turkey has been fighting a dirty war against the PKK [Kurdistan Workers' Party], which is an organization that the U.S. government has stated is terrorist."

"Nevertheless," he added, "the U.S. government has every year said that Turkey should improve its human rights record."

Undoing damage to promising ties

Jacobs stated that despite the successful passage of legislation that was designed to provide encouragement -- as well as direct resources -- from the U.S. government to eight newly independent countries in the Caucasus and Central Asia, previously passed anti-Azerbaijan legislation is in effect.

Following the war over Nagorno-Karabagh in 1991-92, the Armenian-American lobby was instrumental in getting Congress to pass an amendment to this legislation, called the FREEDOM Support Act, Section 907. Greek support also played a role in the passage of the legislation.

At the time, very few congressmen even knew where Azerbaijan was, he added. As a result of this legislation, "the U.S. government cannot allow any U.S. government funds or aid to go to the government of Azerbaijan until the so-called 'blockade' is lifted," Jacobs explained. Despite these developments in the early 1990s, the specific effects of this legislation have been reduced over the years, and it is now largely symbolic, he said.

However, Azerbaijan needs to attract investment capital and technological know-how from abroad to build infrastructure and pipelines so that it can become a transit point for transporting oil and natural gas from the Caspian basin. Jacobs gave one example of how the FREEDOM Support act affects Azerbaijan by placing limitations on Israel's Oversees Development Program, to which the U.S. government contributes financially. The program, called the Mashav Program, brings people from around the world together in order to attend training courses and sends Israeli specialists and technicians abroad. But because the Mashav Program receives U.S. funds, Israel has not been able to establish a training program with Azerbaijan, in spite of the close relations the two countries have developed.

Many Jewish-American organizations feel that out of the eight nations that emerged from the Soviet Union, it is unfair to single out Azerbaijan, a pro-Western and pro-NATO country that has diplomatic relations with Israel.

Jacobs brought up the fact that Armenian forces, with the backing of the Russians, occupy 20 percent of Azerbaijani territory and have created 1 million internally displaced persons. Therefore, he explained, the organized American-Jewish community has come to the conclusion that it is wrong to further victimize Azerbaijan. Instead, the United States should do what it can to encourage Azerbaijan, especially in light of Israel's relationship with Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan's general relationship with the West.

"If Azerbaijan wants to open its markets, and wants U.S. investments because it feels threatened, caught between the Russians to the north and the Iranians who would like to see a radical Islamic government in Azerbaijan, we believe the United States should do what it can to encourage Azerbaijan," stated Jacobs.

Some Central Asian-watchers believe that it is likely that Azerbaijan will be playing an ever-increasing role in the Israeli-Turkish military relationship, especially because Azerbaijan feels increasingly threatened by Iran, Russia and Armenia.

Silk Road Strategy Act

By coming together and joining forces, Jacobs explained, five Jewish organizations effectively supported a piece of 1998 legislation called the Silk Road Strategy Act, which draws attention to Central Asia. These organizations stressed that the United States should pay attention to the states of Central Asia. They highlighted the purpose of the act, which is to acknowledge that although this region of the world is distant and not very well-understood by Americans, it is very important. In short, these countries "are a group of new countries that have sought to be independent, six of the eight have an Islamic majority, they have Jewish communities, and most have good relations with Israel," said Jacobs.

Turning specifically to Turkey he said: "We want to work with your embassy in Washington and the Turkish-American community and Turkey's many friends and win our battles on Capitol Hill. We want the American people and our leaders to understand what Turkey and its citizens have accomplished. We want our media to accurately reflect Turkey's importance and achievements. We don't want those who are not friends of Turkey to have the means to use human rights or other issues against your interests."

But he further commented that Turkey must improve its human rights record, which would not only improve the quality of its democracy, but would also deprive hostile lobbies of ammunition. "Our efforts will be part of the total program directed by your own government," he said.

Coalition objectives clear

The Turkish Daily News asked Jacobs about the feasibility of establishing in the near future a "congressional caucus" representing Turkic interests similar to the black caucus, women's caucus, tourism caucus and others, so that Turkic interests could receive more attention in the U.S. Congress.

While he didn't comment directly on this suggestion, Jacobs did agree that the Turkish lobby in the United States was very small, unorganized and almost nonexistent, while Turks in general failed to understand the modern lobbying process.

"The Turkish government ... keeps looking for some sort of magic wand that it can wave and make its problems go away," he said. He concluded that "the Jewish-American organizations, like the U.S. administration, want to see Turkey in Europe, not outside of Europe.

"The Jewish-American community would like to continue actively supporting Turkish interests, and our coalition has now come together in an organized fashion and declared that Turkey is important: It is a nation of mainly Muslims which has good relations with Israel, it is secular, it is the second-most important country in NATO, its has had troops on the border with Russia and has been a loyal friend of the United States. But in supporting Turkey, we run up against all the problems Turkey itself understands."

Jewish-American support for Turkey draws criticism from anti-Turkish lobbies

Over the past two years, Jewish-American organizations have publicly manifested their increasing appreciation of the importance of Turkey to both American and Israeli interests in the Middle East and Central Asia.

During this period, Armenian-American and Greek-American opposition to the growing friendship between Jewish-Americans and Turkey has become evident, especially after last November, when Jewish-American groups placed the following advertisement (together with a Turkish flag) in major international newspapers in order to congratulate Turkey on its 75th anniversary:

"CONGRATULATIONS! MAZELTOV! TEBRIKLER!"

"As Americans and Jews, we join in celebrating the 75th Anniversary of the founding of the Turkish Republic.

We especially applaud Turkey for:

*its democratic and secular values;

*its close and mutually beneficial ties as a strategic partner with the United States;

*its invaluable strategic role as a NATO partner;

*its ever-deepening relation with the State of Israel;

*its historic tradition, dating back more than 500 years as a haven for Jews fleeing persecution.

We join with the Turkish people in celebrating this milestone, and we look forward to continued flourishing ties in the years ahead among Turkey, the United States and Israel."

The four Jewish-American organizations who sponsored the advertisement and whose names appeared in the advertisement are the American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress, the Anti-Defamation League and B'nai B'rith.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com/old_editio..._99/feature.htm

[Verginne]

CORPORATIONS AND MAJOR JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS

ASK CONGRESS TO LIFT SECTION 907

Former National Security Advisers Also Seek Repeal

Washington — In an all-out effort to remove Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act, major U.S. organizations and former high-level government officials lobbied Congress last week with letters and personal appeals. The attack came in the guise of support for Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS), a consistent opponent of Section 907, who asked the Senate for a total waiver of the law. With strong Assembly support, the Senate, led by Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) defeated such attempts Wednesday evening. The Armenian Assembly is planning meetings with these organizations and individuals in order to clarify the Senate action and underscore the necessity of supporting America's and Armenia's vital security interests during wartime.

§ An October 17 letter signed by USA*Engage, a coalition of American companies and organizations with an interest in the Caucasus region, to Members of the U.S. Senate called on Senators to support Brownback's amendment and called Azerbaijan a "consistent friend of the U.S. in the Central Asian and Caspian region."

§ Former National Security Advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcroft and Anthony Lake strongly urged Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) and Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) in an October 17 letter to support "the repeal of an archaic sanction against Azerbaijan, a country whose cooperation will be no less vital than any of its neighbors."

§ Ten major Jewish organizations advocated for a full waiver of Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act in a letter sent October 24. The letter said in part that, "We supported similar legislation in 1999, believing that genuine independence, peace and prosperity for the nations of the southern Caucasus and Central Asia will benefit the national interests of the United States and of Israel, as well as other regional allies…Our original reasons for supporting a waiver of Section 907, including the strategic imperative, have only intensified since the tragic events of September 11. We urge you to support Senator Brownback's initiative."

Ignoring strong-arm tactics and protecting both American and Armenian security interests, the Senate Wednesday approved Senator McConnell's amendment, which states that the president may waive Section 907 if he determines that it is necessary to support counter-terrorism, to ensure operational readiness for the U.S. and coalition armed forces or for Azerbaijan's border security and does not undermine the Minsk Group peace talks between Armenia and Azerbaijan or is used for offensive purposes against Armenia.

 

The Armenian Assembly commended Senators McConnell, George Allen (R-VA), John Kerry (D-MA), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) and other Senate colleagues as well as the Administration for their diligence in obtaining a limited and balanced waiver of Section 907 law, which protects Armenia's and Karabagh's legitimate security interests while ensuring that President Bush has the tools he needs to counter worldwide terrorism.

 

"It is disturbing that such reputable organizations would demand a full waiver of Section 907, an action which would threaten Armenia's security. We strongly supported congressional efforts to protect Armenians and come up with a balanced legislation that not only accomplished this goal, but supported President Bush during this time of war," Armenian Assembly Acting Executive Director Arpi Vartanian said.

 

In related news, which sheds some light on the Jewish organizations' actions, an Israeli newspaper reported that Azerbaijan is scheduled to open an embassy there some time next year. During an October 22 meeting with Israeli Ambassador to Azerbaijan Eitan Naeh, Azerbaijani President Heidar Aliyev "noted the convergence between their two countries' views on combating terrorism." The Republic of Armenia has an honorary consulate in Israel.

 

The Armenian Assembly of America is the largest Washington-based nationwide organization promoting public understanding and awareness of Armenian issues. It is a 501©(3) tax-exempt membership organization.

 

NR# 2001-149

http://www.aaainc.org/press/10-26-01.htm

[Verginne]

Columnist Says Turkey Wrong To Thank Jewish Lobby by Voting for Israel at UN

by Sedat Sertoglu:

 

"Behind the Scenes" - Istanbul Sabah (Ankara edition) - 23 October, 2000

[FBIS Translated Text] What happened? How did it happen? Why did Clinton send a letter at the very last minute to the Chairman of the House of Representatives Dennis Hastert? Who was the mastermind behind this plan?

Let us go back a bit. Let us open up our files and share with you what we have found out.

 

We are back in Washington and we are having intensive talks with the Jewish lobby groups. AIPAC, Jinsa, Bnai Brith, and ADI. AJC are a little distant. They ask us what is going on. The message we try to give them is: "The acceptance of the resolution will have a strongly negative effect on Turkish-American strategic relations, but also on Turkish-Israeli strategic relations."

 

The Jewish lobby in Turkey had been flooding the House of Representatives and the US administration with messages asking for the resolution to be halted. The Muslim, Jewish, and Armenian citizens of Turkey were doing all they could along with all of the State's official bodies. Our Ambassador in Washington, working with his shamefully tiny nine-person team, was making a superhuman effort. Turkish associations in this country, for instance the ATAA and others, were very active. The US administration did what it could, albeit a little late in the day...

 

As for the situation in Washington. The Jewish lobby threw all its weight into the job just before the weekend... And very openly at that. The chairman of AIPEC met with Hastert and "Explained all the concerns in plain English" and put pres-sure on Hastert. Then he said, "By playing this game, you may well gain a few more Armenian votes, but have you stopped to consider how many Jewish votes you will lose by this?"

 

Alarm bells started sounding in Hastert's head. But the aim still had not been achieved.

 

News that Hastert had tried to find a way out of this situation were heard at this time. He had made a promise to the Ar-menians. He had to get out of this tight spot he was in without harming himself. Finally, he said, "If President Clinton sends me a letter informing me of the situation, I will not go ahead with this vote..."

 

That the Chairman of the House of Representatives was looking for an escape option was finally clear for all to see. An-other Jew had come down from Chicago and put the squeeze on Hastert because they had financed the Republicans to the tune of $10 million or more.

 

So who stepped in so that this message would reach Clinton and Hastert would be given his final warning? Who was this person?

 

While all this was happening and everyone was waiting with baited breath, Clinton was in Egypt and very busy. He was trying to prevent a possible war in the Middle East.

 

Time was fast running out. It was just at this time that the telephone of a certain individual in Israel rang. The caller was a Jewish Turk calling from Istanbul. He explained in very clear terms to the Israeli on the other end of the phone exactly what the situation was and what the consequences were likely to be. He said it was imperative that he intervene. The esteemed Israeli on the other end of the telephone, on hearing this, said, "I put a great deal of effort into bringing about peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Do not worry, I will do everything I can to prevent my work going down the drain..."

 

The person speaking was Shimon Peres. He immediately made a plan and intervened. The situation was relayed to President Clinton. Clinton wrote a letter to Hastert that Wednesday and sent it to him. In the meantime, Hastert was informed of the viewpoints of Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Shelton and of Secretaries of State and Defense Albright and Cohen.

 

The Chairman of the House of Representatives abandoned putting the resolution to the vote. According to the plan, he was saving his hide. He would now be able to tell the Armenians, "I did the best I could. I got it past the commissions. I got it put on the agenda. But in the end, President Clinton's letter said this was as far as it goes. There was nothing I could do in the face of this letter." The nonsense carried out to win a seat in California had been brought to an end...

 

A tale of real lobbying for you [to digest]. Was it a victory? We think not. The real business is only just beginning...

 

Last-minute news: Despite the incredible support given to Turkey by Israel over the Armenian resolution, it was a mistake for Turkey to vote for Israel at the United Nations. We could have at least abstained or not taken part in the vote...

 

http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20001103b.html

[Verginne]

The Turkish-Israeli Alliance and Genocide Denial

 

By David B. Boyajian

 

It is a sad and painful truth that, as a consequence of the expanding alliance between Turkey and Israel, the Jewish American lobby is now also a Turkish lobby, and has declared war on Armenians.

 

The story begins in 1949. Turkey became the first Muslim state to recognize Israel, though relations in the years following were not always warm. The two states established full diplomatic relations in 1991, however, and by 1996 were in open embrace after signing a Military and Training Cooperation Agreement and a Free Trade Agreement. Actually, the romance had budded even a bit earlier, but behind closed doors.

 

For example, after a stint at the Pentagon under President Ronald Reagan, prominent Jewish American Richard Perle became a paid ($231,000) lobbyist for Turkey and, working alongside Israel, reportedly quashed a Senate resolution in 1989 on the Armenian Genocide. Perle now chairs the Pentagon's influential Defense Policy Board.

 

Just last year, the director of the American Jewish Committee, Barry Jacobs, bragged, "We will champion to the best of our ability Turkish interests in the US Congress."

 

But why would Turkey and Israel, a nation hated by many Muslims, including Turks, become allies?

 

Common Enemies

 

What Turkey and Israel (along with the US) have most in common is a trio of enemies: Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

 

Though they share the Muslim faith, Turks look down upon Arabs and still resent their revolt against the Turkish Empire in World War I. In turn, Syria and Iraq, like most Arab countries, detest Turkey's superiority complex and its partnerships, such as NATO, with the generally pro-Israeli West.

 

Turkey has angered Syria and Iraq by limiting the flow of water from the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. Likewise, Syria had infuriated Turkey by hosting the anti-Turkish fighters of the Kurdish PKK until 1998. Additionally, Syrians have long regarded Turkey's Hatay province (Alexandretta) as being rightfully theirs, while Turks have never fully relinquished claims on the oil-rich Mosul region of northern Iraq.

 

Iran (Persia) has clashed with Turks for nearly a thousand years, and the two compete for influence among Muslims in the ex-Soviet states of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. Tehran and Ankara also suspect the other is encouraging separatist movements: Azeris in Iran, and Kurds in Turkey.

 

But the reasons for the alliance don't stop there.

 

Israel earns billions when it upgrades Turkish weapons, such as F-4 jets, and when Turkey purchases Israeli weapons, such as Popeye air-to- surface missiles and, possibly, the partly American-funded Homa/Arrow anti-ballistic missile system. Whereas Western countries sometimes hesitate to sell Turkey weapons due to human rights concerns, Israeli analyst Efrain Inbar says his country "is not as scrupulous as most nations in the world in this area [selling weapons]."

 

The two countries trade intelligence data on common adversaries and, almost certainly, on Cyprus, Greece, and even Armenians. Israel reportedly flies spy planes and has electronic listening posts along Turkey's southern border.

 

Israeli Air Force pilots drill Turkish counterparts in combat techniques, and, in return, get to hone their own skills in Turkey's expansive airspace. Together with the US, Turkey and Israel conduct naval maneuvers each January dubbed "Reliant Mermaid." Some experts even speculate that Israel could provide Turkey with a "nuclear umbrella" [www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/maxwell/mp22.pdf].

 

Water-poor Israel has also been negotiating with water-rich Turkey to have that vital commodity shipped to Israel by tankers.

 

Periphery Strategy

 

The present strategy of Ankara (and the US State Department) to penetrate the Muslim/Turkic nations of the former Soviet Union such as Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan--all of which are sitting on oil and gas reserves--fits Tel Aviv's own ambitions.

 

As part of its long-standing "periphery" strategy, Israel seeks friends among distant non-Arab Muslim nations in order to counter nearby Arab Muslim hostility. In the last decade, Israel has established relationships, especially in the field of agriculture, with all six former Soviet Muslim countries.

 

Israel also hopes to see oil and gas exported from the Caspian Basin, not just for itself but also to lessen the West's dependence on Arab oil and thus reduce Arab leverage against the West. Hence, Israel supports the proposed oil pipeline from Azerbaijan to Turkey.

 

Jewish Lobby

 

The Turkish-Israeli deal included an extra provision: the powerful Jewish American lobby--the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the American Jewish Committee, and several other organizations--would toil on Turkey's behalf, particularly in countering the Armenian and Greek lobbies.

 

Though the average American--Jewish or otherwise--is unaware of that provision, experts openly acknowledge it. Even five years ago, for instance, Joseph Leitmann-Santa Cruz and Cagri Erdem--respectively Jewish and Turkish analysts--were trumpeting that "the influential Jewish lobby" could help Ankara "improve its image, diminish the accusations of Armenian and Greek lobbying groups, and improve its economic and defense cooperation with the US."

 

Indeed, in October 2000, Jewish organizations and former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres helped the State Department kill an Armenian Genocide resolution in the House of Representatives. "The Jewish lobby," reported Turkey's Sabah newspaper, "threw all its weight into the job.and very openly."

 

In 2001, a major Jewish organization in Maryland tried to stop the state from passing an Armenian Genocide resolution. Legislator Cheryl Kagan, who also happens to sit on the board of the American Jewish Committee, termed the Genocide "an alleged massacre" and compared the bill to one designating "the official state cat." Fortunately, the resolution passed anyway.

 

Partly as an outgrowth of the Israel-Turkey relationship, the Jewish lobby labored for years against Armenian-Americans to repeal Congressional sanctions, Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act, on Azerbaijan. Finally, in the wake of September 11, 2001, the Bush administration, helped along by the Jewish lobby, succeeded in repealing the sanctions.

 

Around that same time, nine leading Jewish American organizations formally asked President Bush to provide Turkey "debt forgiveness, trade concessions, and/or further [loan] relief."

 

In Los Angeles, the taxpayer-funded Jewish "Museum of Tolerance," apparently bowing to Turkish and Israeli desires, has broken its pledge to include an Armenian Genocide exhibit.

 

Meanwhile, Tel Aviv, like Washington, keeps Turkey happy by employing euphemisms such as Armenian "tragedy" rather than "genocide."

 

Though it is hypocritical of Jewish leaders to conspire with Turkey in covering up the Genocide, it cannot be said that Israel or Jews are somehow uniquely pro-Turkish. After all, the governments and power structures of the "Christian" West and elsewhere have long supported Turkey and been largely indifferent to Armenian interests. Nevertheless, American Jewish clout in government, media, academia, and commerce provides Turkey with new and powerful allies.

 

For example, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, President Bush's chief foreign policy strategist, is fervently pro-Turkish. Noted Jewish political analyst Dr. Daniel Pipes acknowledges that "to make its case," Turkey "counts on American Jews such as" Defense Undersecretary Douglas Feith, Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle, and Prof. Bernard Lewis (a Genocide denier and Bush advisor), as well as on Jewish "institutions."

 

In an intriguing press release issued in January, Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ), co-chair of the Congressional Armenian Caucus and a good friend of Armenians, stated that improved "Armenian-Israeli relations" are important to the Bush administration. He suggested that Armenia follow Turkey's example of establishing close links to Israel. That far-away Tel Aviv plays a central role in Washington's policy toward Armenia speaks volumes.

 

Jewish Friends

 

It would be wrong and counterproductive, however, to blame Jews for the misguided actions of some of their leaders. The average Jewish American is unaware of the extent of the lobby's Genocide denial. Moreover, Jewish leaders have been intentionally brainwashing their rank-and-file into believing that Turks have historically adored Jews. An honest Jewish American scholar, Jonathan Eric Lewis has eloquently punctured that myth [see www.hairenik.com/armenianweekly/october/history003.html].

 

In Israel, historians Israel Charny and Yair Auron, as well as former Cabinet ministers Yossi Beilin and Yossi Sarid, have bravely confronted Israel's Genocide denial.

 

In the US, scores of Jewish academicians have supported Armenian Genocide studies (eg. Dr. Deborah Dwork of Clark University) and written about and signed petitions (eg. Dr. Robert Melson of Purdue) on the subject.

 

Many Jewish members of Congress--Adam Schiff, Steven Rothman, and Barney Frank, to name just a few--have strongly supported Armenian- American issues.

 

Next Steps

 

Armenia has no diplomatic relations with Israel and hesitates to criticize that nation, perhaps out of concern that Israel and the US will retaliate. That leaves the matter to Armenian-Americans. Though meetings with Jewish lobbying groups have proven unproductive, Armenians rightfully continue to work with other, fair-minded Jewish Americans. Can we do more?

 

Jewish claims to sympathetic treatment from Christians are based largely on the Holocaust and the consequent need for a secure homeland. When the Jewish lobby is caught covering up a Christian Genocide, however, Americans may conclude that the emphasis on the Holocaust has been no more than a political ploy.

 

Our only recourse now, sadly, is to ensure that all Americans learn about the Jewish lobby's dazzling hypocrisy on genocide and unprincipled collusion with Turkey. With Americans already raising questions about Israel's interests in a US invasion of Iraq, the time is right for Armenians to make their case, even if that means using full-page media ads.

 

Additionally, it is imperative that Armenian-Americans and their churches begin serious discussions with American Christian groups, particularly those "fundamentalist" organizations that provide massive support to Israel supposedly based on Biblical verse.

 

It is incomprehensible that American Christians provide vastly more political support for Israel and the Holocaust than for the first Christian nation on earth and its Genocide. Armenian Apostolics, Catholics, and most importantly, Evangelicals/Protestants, as well as our cultural and political organizations, must act quickly before events in the world overtake us.

 

Finally, as we Armenian-Americans explain our views, let us be as charitable and honorable to others as we hope they would be towards us. Let us also understand the concerns of all people who look back with fondness to the land of their forebears.