I Am A Kurd !

[MiG-35]

The Turkish government declared Jihad against Armenians and used many of the Kurdish ashirets to kill Armenians. The same happened to Greeks and Assirians, too (Kurds played important roles in their executions, too)! Well, it is true that Kurds as Muslims had a reson to easily become tools in the hands of Turks. However, on the other hand, Arabs also are Muslims, but they never took part in those executions… Again, on the other hand, it is evident that the Genocides of Armenians, the Greeks and the Assirians were not organized by Kurds...

 

So the situation is not very clear, and the things depend on the fact what the Kurds do now: if they declare Western Armenia a “Kurdistan”, then the Kurds will actually continue the job of Turks, and they have to answer for Armenian Genocide, too… On the other hand, if Kurds try to find a better solution taking into account the rights of Armenians, then the situation will be different…

Edited April 13, 2005 by MiG-35

[kumkap]

because we both have the same enemy "Turks" and "Arab Muslems"

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hello medya, it's nice of you to take an interest in this forum. i knew a kurdish girl named medya when i was at university. i just want to point out that, although i don't speak for all armenians, i can say that many of us don't consider arab muslims our enemy. in fact there are strong ties of friendship between armenians and arabs of syria, lebanon, egypt, palestine, even iraq. please see this topic:

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=11253

[Anahit]

Some questions about YEZDIS, if i may. after i read a book by Georgi Gurdjief (in russin) where he wrote about how a yezdi can't come out of a circle drown around him, no matter how hard he/she even a child tries, I CAN'T CALM DOWN!!! IS IT TRUE???? the auther even did an experiment himself, yet couldn't get out a kurd-yezdi woman out of the circle himself. he wrote that those yezdis warship Satan and live (lived) in Armenia.

[Sasun]

Some questions about YEZDIS, if i may. after i read a book by Georgi Gurdjief (in russin) where he wrote about how a yezdi can't come out of a circle drown around him, no matter how hard he/she even a child tries, I CAN'T CALM DOWN!!! IS IT TRUE???? the auther even did an experiment himself, yet couldn't get out a kurd-yezdi woman out of the circle himself. he wrote that those yezdis warship Satan and live (lived) in Armenia.

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Interesting! If only it could work with Turks. All we had to do was to draw a large circle

[medya]

at first i must say, there are kurds who are traitor, they work for our occupier , we call them "Jash" , these Jash Kurds helpt Turks to kill Kurds

in fact those Jashs are not Kurd ,they are just evil humans who sell themself for money...not all of the kurd are like them. they are just 1 jash in million kurds.

I send woe to all of the Kurds who commited any crime against aremian . but please dont think Kurd Nation did it , kurd nation just wants his own country not attacking to any ppl for islam.

 

Arabs also are Muslims, but they never took part in those executions… Again, on the other hand, it is evident that the Genocides of Armenians, the Greeks and the Assirians were not organized by Kurds...

 

well you dont know arabs... saddam declared jihad on kurds , he killed more than 800 000 kurds. arabs are not that nice that you think .

I am sure Arabs would liked to do jihad against aremina too but tthe reson that may it isnt that revelant, is that arabs are not near armenia...they are far from you.

 

So the situation is not very clear, and the things depend on the fact what the Kurds do now: if they declare Western Armenia a “Kurdistan”, then the Kurds will actually continue the job of Turks, and they have to answer for Armenian Genocide, too… On the other hand, if Kurds try to find a better solution taking into account the rights of Armenians, then the situation will be different…

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I really dont dont undrestand what do you mean of "western armenia"? do you mean the west of "today's armenia"? or you think all of the kurdistan - turkish kurdistan - syrian kurdistan and iraqi kurdistan and iranian kurdistan- is a part of your dear western armenia? and we should never have our country?

 

please tell me what do you mean of western armenia ? do you mean "kurdistan of today's armenia?"

 

well if a nation is gonna stop kurds in their own land to controll themself and have their own self-determation , then that nation is opressor. if you are gonna not let kurds in armenia to have their own land , then you are occupier too.'

 

mind that kurds had one of the the biggest empire of the world "Mede Empire"

 

how a yezdi can't come out of a circle drown around him, Interesting! If only it could work with Turks. All we had to do was to draw a large circle

 

are you making fun out of kurds? if it is their belife, then you should respect their belife.

if you are gonna call kurds in armenia the worthshiper of evil, then you are the same as the turks who called armenians "infidel" and they killed them.

 

let not forget, i know that christians killed many iizedi kurds ...because of their beliefs...

Edited April 13, 2005 by medya

[Nakharar]

Thank you for the comic relief.

 

The more you shout the smaller you get.

[kakachik77]

Medya,

 

check out this link, some info about Kurds in Armenia

 

http://www.hetq.am/eng/photostory/2004_september_index.html

[Arvestaked]

A word about the religious beliefs of the Yezidis. The "Satan worshipping" beliefs that are held by some Yezidis are mistakenly categorized as devil-worship. I have read a little bit about them as they were mentioned in LaVey's The Satanic Bible which made me look into it a bit more. From what i remember (it's been a while), the Yezidis in question have a different view of God and Satan. In their eyes, Satan is not evil. God is viewed purely as a creater with infinite compassion. It is because of that infinite compassion that he is not the one that judges human souls and is not jealous. That work is reserved for Satan who is the one that should be appeased. Simplistically, one could say Satan works for God and is not an opposing force. That is why labeling them as Satan/devil worshippers is misleading.

[Anonymouse]

So is anyone else as pumped about the word of the day [Kurd] as I am?

[Arpa]

Dear Medya, welcome.

It is good to have a real life Kurd among us.

It would be wise for all concerned to search the forum and find what has been said about Kurds and Kurdish affairs. There is a thread started by me that has the word Kurd in the title.

As a real life Kurd it would be nice of you to let us know exactly what a Kurd is. Judging from your nickname you seem to subscribe to the notion that the Kurds of today are the Medes of Media of yesteryears. As starters, in the Armenian culture and language Media is known as Marastan and the Medes as the Mar's. We have had extensive friction with them in pre and post Christian era.

Coming back to the question, do please tell us who and what a Kurd is.

Let's see which of the following are Kurds, represent the Kurdish "nation" and tell us what the Kurdish legacy and its purpose is.

 

Will the real Kurd please stand up!

 

Let's begin with Saladin (Salah Eddin. an Arabic name), who is acknowledged by many to be of Kurdish stock, incedentally he was born in Armenia, in the Ararat region, town of Dvin(which still exists). We will accede to the fact that he was of Kurdish origin, which will raise the question as to how he acted in the name of the Kurds and on their behalf. He fought the Crusaders in his capacity as a Muslim, in fact his exploits had nothing to do with the fate of the Kurds, for all extensive purposes he acted as and on behalf of the Moslem Arabs.

 

We will fast forward to the 20th c. and see which of these Kurds acted as and on behalf of the Kurd. Turgut Ozal was of Kurdish stock, and is his nemesis Ocalan. And we understand that there are numerous Kurds in the Turkish government, just as there were Armenians before the 20th c.

 

Fast forward to the 21st c. Let us see which of these Kurds is a the real one. Is it Barzani or Talabani? We know that the latter is the president designate of the (Islamic Arab ) Republic of Iraq. How does that make him a Kurd. Is his purpose to some day declare that land a greater Kurdistan? What about the rest of "Kurdistan" in Turkey, Syria Iraq, Iran et al?

 

And please, when we talk about Kurdish Armenian relations, let us review what has already been said about the subject, in particular the Kurds' part during the Genocide on behalf of the Ottomans. But above all, before we rush into conclusions, let us once again review some the virtual maps of "Kurdistan" and understand what their intention is vis a vis Armenia and Armenians. Is it perhaps, since they don't dare face the Turkish military might they will turn towrads the east of Ararat, and with the tacit or overt help of the Turk once again prey on the weaker Armenian?

 

Dear Media, once again, welcome, but since you seem to have the inside story please do let us know where and how the Armenian and Armenia fit in the Kurdish plan. Even though there may be much for an Armenian to be leery of the Kurd, we may lay that aside and consider collaboration only we knew what our gains would be.

Until then, to us a Kurd is not much different from a Turk, except that at the present we seem to have a common adversary.

 

Oh! BTW, some years ago Kurds did publicly apologize to Armenians for their part in the Genocide and more. Now let us see when they are going to return all that they stole from us.

Edited April 14, 2005 by Arpa

[Anahit]

Medya, I wrote very clearly, that it is a FACT witnessed, heard and ALSO exercised by Georgi Gurdjief (NON ARMENIAN!!!) that a yezdi can’t come out of a circle drown around him/her. And it is, again, written in the book and agreed by people of different races, nations and beliefs that yezdis warship Satan. As a matter of fact, I have never heard anything like that in Armenia or from an Armenian person, I JUST READ IT IN THE BOOK! And I would be very glad to find out about it. Georgi Gurdjief spent all his life trying to find out how come it is like that, how it “works”, but noone could answer him, and yezdis always kept it a secret. They are also known to guard “Sarman Society”.(if anyone knows about this society, pls let me know).

Another sad remark written by the author is, that when turks were driving away kurds, an old kurd man told him crying: “WE took this land from Armenians, WE built our happiness on their blood and tears…”. The family of the author also had to flee…

[Artaxias]

Medya, you have a country already. You country is Iran. The fact that you live in Anatolia occupied by Turks and Mesopotamia occupied by Arabs, does not make them your lands. It never was, never will be.

 

We are apathetic towards you. Kurds were killing Armenians just the same during the Genocide. Granted you have accepted your crimes and don't deny it but that's only because you need our help today.

[kakachik77]

Medya, I wrote very clearly, that it is a FACT witnessed, heard and ALSO exercised by Georgi Gurdjief (NON ARMENIAN!!!) that a yezdi can’t come out of a circle drown around him/her. And it is, again, written in the book and agreed by people of different races, nations and beliefs that yezdis warship Satan. As a matter of fact, I have never heard anything like that in Armenia or from an Armenian person, I JUST READ IT IN THE BOOK! And I would be very glad to find out about it. Georgi Gurdjief spent all his life trying to find out how come it is like that, how it “works”, but noone could answer him, and yezdis always kept it a secret. They are also known to guard “Sarman Society”.(if anyone knows about this society, pls let me know).

Another sad remark written by the author is, that when turks were driving away kurds, an old kurd man told him crying: “WE took this land from Armenians, WE built our happiness on their blood and tears…”. The family of the author also had to flee…

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Georgi Gurdjief IS ARMENIAN! Born in Gyumri, Half-Armenian and Half-Greek.

 

http://www.armenianow.com/eng/?go=pub&id=220&issue_id=36

Edited April 14, 2005 by kakachik77

[Armen]

Will the real Kurd please stand up!

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Saleem Al Shady

[Armen]

Kurds are the next natural loyal US ally in the region. Anyone who doesn't see that is blind. And any country making political calculations for the future must take it into account. Turkey cannot survive in its current shape because it was made for a political purpose that is already gone, same like USSR.

 

Turkey cannot join the EU in its current shape. If it does not join the EU it has to go back to the Middle East, which is impossible for a great number of Turks who already feel attached to Europe. And the status quo cannot be maintained because the regional developmenst increasingly push for a change.

 

And all this does not have anything to do with Armenian Genocide or Armenians.

[medya]

Dear Arpa , thanks for welcoming me.

 

here is my answers ,

 

i think salhedin was a foolish muslem that accediently was Kurd.

a kurd is a person who loves kurdistan and do his best for kurdistan

what salahedin did for kurds? NOTHING !

 

Historians belive that Kurds are the Medes , because medes lived in where kurds are , and we cant say Persians - Turk Arabs or Areminansa are Mede, Kurds are the only nation , who can be called Mede

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I am really impressed by the information that you Dear Arpa give me about Medes , i will be happy to know more about it.

 

I as a kurd belive that one day Great Kurdistan must be created, every nation has his own country ,except kurds...

we want to have a country to call HOME, as everyother nation do.

 

what kurds think about aremnians ?

 

I as an iranian Kurd, see that Kurds always looked at armenians as a freind , we never forget that when the Kurdistan republic was established in 1946, only 3 country , recoginzed that republic and helpt it.

among those 3 country , was Armenia...

I as a kurd, have a very good imagination of armenians ...I hope one day I can trave there and I can meet it's lovely peopel .

 

I never never heared any any bad thing about armenians..

 

unfortunately in this forum i have found out that some of the Kurds in othman empire had helpt turks in genocide against aremnias...

I become so sad, and I send woe to those kurds to commited crime against armenians.

 

but some poeple say, it is Turkey's propagenda that tries to accuse another person in armenia's genocide and turks are trying to destroy kurd - armenia's freindship . whatever, "if" kurds has helpt turks in that gecnocide, I am really sorry and I feel so bad to hear

 

remember , kurds and aremens can be good freinds, against Turks .

[Arpa]

Here is most of what you want to know aour Medes and Media.

 

http://medes.biography.ms/

 

I still don't know why Armenians call the Medes Mar, but the above site may give us a hint as it seems the Medes(Greek) called themselves Mada, dit the D become an R in the Armenian, or is it visa versa?

 

PS. Don't forget to count how many times Armenia is mentioned in the above article. Alas, though, I don't remember seeing "Kurd".

Edited April 14, 2005 by Arpa

[medya]

thanks for the link

in kurdish we call Medes "Maad" .

 

did you try to say that armenians are Mede? I think Aremenians are a nation as old as the Medes...

 

in the historic maps i saw armenian country near the Median Empire...so we cant say armenians are mede.

 

historians are also sure that kurds are mede...

it is true that Kurds may be not the only medes of the world...as we see Medes's land "Media" was so large, but after Turks attack to the region...they changed everything...

 

the reigion that is today's azarbayjan being believed to be the main part of the Mede Empire .

 

but we know kurds are a part of the Medes.

because no other nation have sign of being Mede.

Persians are already persian., arabs ...turks.....

just kurds can be called Mede and you know there are many signs to be called mede...for example "Medya" is a commmon name in Kurdish...

 

Medya means the land of the Medes...if kurds are not mede why they name their children Medya

Edited April 15, 2005 by medya

[Anahit]

Georgi Gurdjief IS ARMENIAN!  Born in Gyumri, Half-Armenian and Half-Greek.

 

"Half-Armenian and Half-Greek" yeah... Never came across a line where HE wrote that HE is armenian. But we know that "Filip Kirkorov@ hai a, Alla Pugachovai amusin@ hai a, Kristina Orbakaytei xort hayrn hai a..."

[Anonymouse]

Kurt Russell is rumored to be a Kurd.

[Nakharar]

Kurt Russell is rumored to be a Kurd.

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[Iran01]

  Economic is underdeveloped. Society is more developed than in Iran because Armenia is more democratic than Iran. Actaully, some Iranians choose to relocate to Armenia with their families because of this.

 

 

Armen

 

Do you live in Armenia? How is the situation of Iranian community in Armenia?

How many are them? What they do..?

 

What I have learned of those Iranians who have visited/study/live in Armenia, is that Armenia is a lovely country with friendly people... in general almost everybody have positive view on Armenia.

 

The majority of Iranian abroad close to Iran live in Dubai. And almost everyone say bad things about Dubai.

 

I guess if Armenia get the economy on right path, there will be a big imigration of Iranians into Armenia. The only bad thing I have heard is the curreption in Armenia.

[Armen]

Kurt Russell is rumored to be a Kurd.

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It appears that he is not only a Kurd but also a Russian.

[Armen]

Armen

Do you live in Armenia? How is the situation of Iranian community in Armenia?

How many are them? What they do..?

What I have learned of those Iranians who have visited/study/live in Armenia, is that  Armenia is a lovely country with friendly people... in general almost everybody have positive view on Armenia.

The majority of Iranian abroad close to Iran live in Dubai. And almost everyone say bad things about Dubai.

I guess if Armenia get the economy on right path, there will be a big imigration of Iranians into Armenia. The only bad thing I have heard is the curreption in Armenia.

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Yes, I live in Armenia although I have been out for two years now for my studies.

 

If we count Iranian Armenians (citizens of Iran that is) the number will make a couple of thousands. I will take a rough guess, arround 7-8 thousand or maybe more. I am not sure. Farsi Iranians would make a thousand or two with lot of them going back and forth between Iran and Armenia. Only the Iranian students studying in the Medical and Engineering Universities make a hundered or so. There is a Iranian bank operating in Yerevan, tourist companies, transportation etc.

 

7-8 years back there were some incidents when Iranians were beated or their property stolen. But they were of purely criminal nature. I guess the reasons were that Iranians where just learing how to operate in Armenia, what are the local customs and metality, whome to deal with and whome not to deal with etc. Overall, after intensification of trade Armenians and Iranians adjusted to each other pretty fast. After those incidents I haven't heard of any negativities up to now.

 

You may know that there is an Iranian mosque operating in Armenia. Taking into account our experience with Islam you might say that this is a sign of extraordinary tolerance

[skhara]

I as a kurd belive that one day Great Kurdistan must be created, every nation has his own country ,except kurds...

 

I'm confused? I thought nation and country were synnonyms? Or do you mean all peoples have countries except kurds? In that case, not true. The Palestinians do not have a country, chuchkas do not have a country, assyrians do not have a country, smurfs do not have a country.

 

I guess if Armenia get the economy on right path, there will be a big imigration of Iranians into Armenia. The only bad thing I have heard is the curreption in Armenia.

 

 

I would hope there would be a big Armenian imigration into Armenia.