Erdogan: 'it Is Up To The Armenians To Apologise'

[DominO123]

zurderer, you seem to be a bright person.

 

I just want to say that I am under the impression that you master English a lot better than what one would assume by reading your answers. Call this paranoia, but a Turk who seem educated enough to be open minded on this matter ought to know well at least one foreign language. What is yours, German?

 

You don't have to answer there. It is simple precautions, I kind of feel a deja vu.

Edited November 21, 2005 by QueBeceR

[zurderer]

Although I am glad that you're not following your government about the Genocide topic; however, as a progressive Turk you must seek the truth yourself and at least try to be on the side of the truth. You know what they say? The truth will make you a free man. It means, it will make you without feeling guilt about a criminal past as the guilt puts people in bondage, they don't become happy, progressive and spiritually free and happy individuals.

 

Sorry but because you think that we are guilty, do you think we feel guilty? personaly I have no guilt(This is only what I care). I am happy.

If a turk believes that there was no Genocide because the Turkish government puts it in their mind and brain washes them; if they are the master of their destiny and their individuality; again they should seek the truth and be on the side of the truth. I have heard on this Forum that in UCLA in Los Angeles I believe; at least three Turkish scholars wanted Turkey to accept the fact that there was indeed a Genocide committed against Armenians from 1915 through 1923. They were not just deported; but they were systematically killed, massacred, annihilated in a most horrifying ways. Seek the truth man and make yourself to be a free man. That's what I say to all the Turks that don't want to hear or be on the side of the truth!!!!!!!!!

 

Sorry but even truth is a relative thing.

 

Not all governments are guilty like the Turkish government. And there is a measure of guilt and another measure of guilt. Some governments like the Turkish government; they have committed much horrifying crimes against humanity; be it in Europe, be it with Armenians or be it even with Egyptians and or Middle Easterns. I know, as my elders told me such horrifying stories that the Egyptians used to tell them about being tortured by Turks.

 

Let me remember, brits,spain, italy, germans, russians, mongols, greeks, serbs(what they did to turks are not more nice than what happened to armenians), byzantium(blinding 10.000 bulgarian soldier), japan.

 

Well If you think more, you can find other nations too and lets remember what armenian goverment did azeris. 600.000 azeris(I am not sure about number) are not living in their houses.(And pls dont tell me,It was them who beginned it first.This is what said in Turkey too)

 

I think this list is enough to show you. we are not worst guys in world.

 

Yes whereas it's true that we're not living in 1915 and I am glad that if you were living at those times you would've stopped the crimes if you could; however as a progressive and a young Turk as you are; you must care for the sake of your Turkey. I will say it again; because the truth will set them free. And your countrymen will be much better people and a government if they accepted their government's earlier crimes and then we can both go on to be better neighbors; and hence your government and your people will look much better to the world as well.

 

You dont live in real world, do you? Even Turkey accept his guilty, no armenia will say, "oh this guys accepted something complately against their benefit, this guys are fine) only think they will say is " this bastards accepted theirr guilt"

 

In realy world, noone care for fairness.even law themself dont comes from idea of fairness, but comes from confliction between force and benefits.why should turkey would be only good guy?

 

 

Yes a crime does go from father to son when that crime has taken away more than 1.5 million civilian souls.

 

 

No, It dont, this idea is against to main core of law systems and fairness.

 

 

Political campaign? Don't make me laugh, what political campaign you're talking about?

 

First, let Turkey take away the blockade against Armenia, then let Turkey accept their government's FIRST CRIME OF THE 20TH CENTURY, then we can talk.........

 

well just look list of your wish, both of them is political,

 

why dont armenians fight to return their lands? Just curiosity, did armenians ever took a serious campaing to turn their land back?

[zurderer]

just want to say that I am under the impression that you master English a lot better than what one would assume by reading your answers. Call this paranoia, but a Turk who seem educated enough to be open minded on this matter ought to know well at least one foreign language. What is yours, German?

 

 

 

hoo?

[Takoush]

Sorry but because you think that we are guilty, do you think we feel guilty? personaly I have no guilt(This is only what I care). I am happy.

 

Sorry but even truth is a relative thing.

 

Let me remember, brits,spain, italy, germans, russians, mongols, greeks, serbs(what they did to turks are not more nice than what happened to armenians), byzantium(blinding 10.000 bulgarian soldier), japan.

 

Well If you think more, you can find other nations too and lets remember what armenian goverment did azeris. 600.000 azeris(I am not sure about number) are not living in their houses.(And pls dont tell me,It was them who beginned it first.This is what said in Turkey too)

 

I think this list is enough to show you. we are not worst guys in world.

 

You dont live in real world, do you? Even Turkey accept his guilty, no armenia will say, "oh this guys accepted something complately against their benefit, this guys are fine) only think they will say is " this bastards accepted theirr guilt"

 

In realy world, noone care for fairness.even law themself dont comes from idea of fairness, but comes from confliction between force and benefits.why should turkey would be only good guy?

 

well just look list of your wish, both of them is political,

 

why dont armenians fight to return their lands? Just curiosity, did armenians ever took a serious campaing to turn their land back?

 

You know what I think? I think you are a hyppocrit and I think you are playing with words and games with us. You are on the side of today's criminal siding Turkey and you are on the side of criminals yourself.

 

I don't think you are that progressive if you say that the truth is relative when your country and your countrymen killed, annihilated, raped, robbed, starved and mamed 1.5 Million civilian well meaning Armenian citizens living in Turkey.

 

You are BS-ing me and us. You are on the side of today's turkey that wants to deny and pay politicians to perpetrate and deny the truth about the Genocide; and don't tell me otherwise.

Edited November 21, 2005 by Edward

[hytga]

Well If you think more, you can find other nations too and lets remember what armenian goverment did azeris. 600.000 azeris(I am not sure about number) are not living in their houses.(And pls dont tell me,It was them who beginned it first.This is what said in Turkey too)

Actually it was them who beginned it first. I don't want to change the course of this topic into another one of those pointless topics where it becomes a war of words. But the least you could do is do some OBJECTIVE homework befor you accus armenians.

[gamavor]

The Mr. Turk above should make an effort to make a difference between being killed in the battle field and being killed unarmed in your home by your own government because of your ethnicity, religion or else.

 

As to their collective guilt. They don't feel any becasue they are animals!

 

The best turk is the dead turk!

[Takoush]

The Mr. Turk above should make an effort to make a difference between being killed in the battle field and being killed unarmed in your home by your own government because of your ethnicity, religion or else.

 

As to their collective guilt. They don't feel any becasue they are animals!

 

The best turk is the dead turk!

Որքա՜ն ճիշդ ես Կամ ճան, որքա՜ն ճիշդ,

 

անմարդկային առեղծուած հռեշներ:

 

Yes Gam jan how true you are; THEY DON'T FEEL ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY ARE ANIMALS!

Edited November 22, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi

[MosJan]

The best turk is the dead turk!

 

 

what took you soooo longgg

[Z'areh]

Որքա՜ն ճիշդ ես Կամ ճան, որքա՜ն ճիշդ,

 

անմարդկային առեղծուած հռեշներ:

 

Yes Gam jan how true you are; THEY DON'T FEEL ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY ARE ANIMALS!

 

 

to fight racism with racism is immoral, the best it does is give short term (very short term) personal satisfaction, not unlike the satisfaction one gets out of swearing, which is basically a demonstration of personal failure. We lose ourselves in it (me included) at times and end up accomplishing nothing.

 

Hiding behind the argument that as long as they (the animals) do not acknowledge the genocide we will treat them as such, this is unhealthy and takes us nowhere. Because in holding such an approach a new question arises: if you are expecting "animals" to do any acceptance then what does it say about you waiting a response from an animal?

 

Whether we acknowledge it or not there has been a movement, at least on individual initiatives, in Turkey (or by Turks outside Turkey) that review or re-look at the long held views and ask questions.

 

The talent on our part rests in convincing those who are doubtful about what they have learned from official lines that there is in fact another and real truth.

 

It is so easy to say "you're an animal", it is much harder to say "I'm a human" and bring the other to join you.

 

but, to each his own...

Edited November 22, 2005 by Z'areh

[Takoush]

to fight racism with racism is immoral, the best it does is give short term (very short term) personal satisfaction, not unlike the satisfaction one gets out of swearing, which is basically a demonstration of personal failure. We lose ourselves in it (me included) at times and end up accomplishing nothing.

 

Hiding behind the argument that as long as they (the animals) do not acknowledge the genocide we will treat them as such, this is unhealthy and takes us nowhere. Because in holding such an approach a new question arises: if you are expecting "animals" to do any acceptance then what does it say about you waiting a response from an animal?

 

Whether we acknowledge it or not there has been a movement, at least on individual initiatives, in Turkey (or by Turks outside Turkey) that review or re-look at the long held views and ask questions.

 

The talent on our part rests in convincing those who are doubtful about what they have learned from official lines that there is in fact another and real truth.

 

It is so easy to say "you're an animal", it is much harder to say "I'm a human" and bring the other to join you.

 

but, to each his own...

 

Well, that's just toooooooooooooo bad Zareh!!!!!

 

An ANIMAL is an ANIMAL is an ANIMAL.

 

Stop preaching me because I sided with Gam. He is right and I am right.

 

What DID THEY DO IN 90 YEARS? NOTHING, SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM ANIMALS, A BETTER BEHAVIOUR? I hope you have pleasant dreams tonight that tomorrow morning when you wake up all the Turks in the world will start acting like humans. HUH!!!!!!!

 

Yes to each his own, so go and kiss them real well. and feel happy with yourself.

 

I am not going to kiss a turk nor am I going to play politics with these ANIMALS, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME!!!!!!!

[Z'areh]

Well, that's just toooooooooooooo bad Zareh!!!!!

 

An ANIMAL is an ANIMAL is an ANIMAL.

 

Stop preaching me because I sided with Gam. He is right and I am right.

 

What DID THEY DO IN 90 YEARS? NOTHING, SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM ANIMALS, A BETTER BEHAVIOUR? I hope you have pleasant dreams tonight that tomorrow morning when you wake up all the Turks in the world will start acting like humans. HUH!!!!!!!

 

Yes to each his own, so go and kiss them real well. and feel happy with yourself.

 

I am not going to kiss a turk nor am I going to play politics with these ANIMALS, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME!!!!!!!

 

 

Ahahid, I share your anger, and understand the piled up frustrations that are accumulated for decades. However, I also believe that the same is not true for the other side, by other side I do not mean the government of Turkey and its institutions, I'm talking about the regular Mehmet in Turkey who did not grow up with the same gdag as we did. But that does not mean that we have to pack in our sense of humanity to "make a point", my view is that you can make a stronger point and be more effective in pointing out Mehmet's mistakes. Today the Mehmets of Turkey might not be inclined to listening to you but who knows tomorrow?, but it would be a shame if that time does in fact come, paths would have been destroyed irreparably.

 

we have inherited a terrible legacy that demands super human abilities to continue as we have, this is something that no non-Armenian can understand, let alone Turks. But who knew that one day, Fatma Goceks, Elif Shafaks and Zarakolous would immerge to shake things up, very effectively might I add. So the person you are calling an animal today could be in a position to be of great value in the future, but that would only happen if we keep our humanity on solid grounds.

 

I am not kissing a Turk tonight or any other night, but I hope whomever you kiss tonight is a descent human being first and foremost.

[Takoush]

Ahahid, I share your anger, and understand the piled up frustrations that are accumulated for decades. However, I also believe that the same is not true for the other side, by other side I do not mean the government of Turkey and its institutions, I'm talking about the regular Mehmet in Turkey who did not grow up with the same gdag as we did. But that does not mean that we have to pack in our sense of humanity to "make a point", my view is that you can make a stronger point and be more effective in pointing out Mehmet's mistakes. Today the Mehmets of Turkey might not be inclined to listening to you but who knows tomorrow?, but it would be a shame if that time does in fact come, paths would have been destroyed irreparably.

 

we have inherited a terrible legacy that demands super human abilities to continue as we have, this is something that no non-Armenian can understand, let alone Turks. But who knew that one day, Fatma Goceks, Elif Shafaks and Zarakolous would immerge to shake things up, very effectively might I add. So the person you are calling an animal today could be in a position to be of great value in the future, but that would only happen if we keep our humanity on solid grounds.

 

I am not kissing a Turk tonight or any other night, but I hope whomever you kiss tonight is a descent human being first and foremost.

Zareh:

 

Don't you dare to talk to me about humanity. Why should I act sooooooo reverently with an animal who won't ever become human no matter how much sense I try to put into him? Why should I be soooo civil with someone who argued with me all day long and he still doesn't wish to be irradiated by my logical and justifiable explanations?

 

Why should I finally be so kindly to a person who insists to speak and act in an irreverence manner with the memory of my dignified and saintly anscestors? I am not a turk lover and will never become one. I hope and wish you do the same and stop bothering me with your sense of misplaced humanity after this turk argued with me all day long.

 

In the interim, I am trying to do my homework and you are interrupting my homework time with your sense of misplaced humanity... blah...blah...blah talks towards these idiots and KILLERS.

 

Furthermore, I don't expect anything good will come out of these turks. They are the same idiots and they will remain so. So there...have a pleasant dream.

 

And the only person I will kiss tonight is my pretty daughter.

Edited November 22, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi

[DominO123]

just want to say that I am under the impression that you master English a lot better than what one would assume by reading your answers. Call this paranoia, but a Turk who seem educated enough to be open minded on this matter ought to know well at least one foreign language. What is yours, German?

hoo?

 

To whom you thought I was answering to?

 

My point was about your presence here. You claim being open minded, but yet I could not figure your purpouses.

 

First, why do you believe that if you find other cases of genocides by other nations it will somehow makes of the crime of genocide(Armenians) less worster? Do you believe that what happened in the Azerbaijan Armenia conflict, will excuse the Ottoman empire? How?

 

What do you expect with your participation on this board, of course I guess you had a purpouses to be here. What it is?

 

Regards.

Edited November 22, 2005 by QueBeceR

[DominO123]

Do you think that Armenians in the same situation would act differently? If so, tell me how?

 

Zareh:

 

Don't you dare to talk to me about humanity. Why should I act sooooooo reverently with an animal who won't ever become human no matter how much sense I try to put into him? Why should I be soooo civil with someone who argued with me all day long and he still doesn't wish to be irradiated by my logical and justifiable explanations?

 

Why should I finally be so kindly to a person who insists to speak and act in an irreverence manner with the memory of my dignified and saintly anscestors? I am not a turk lover and will never become one. I hope and wish you do the same and stop bothering me with your sense of misplaced humanity after this turk argued with me all day long.

 

In the interim, I am trying to do my homework and you are interrupting my homework time with your sense of misplaced humanity... blah...blah...blah talks towards these idiots and KILLERS.

 

Furthermore, I don't expect anything good will come out of these turks. They are the same idiots and they will remain so. So there...have a pleasant dream.

 

And the only person I will kiss tonight is my pretty daughter.

[Takoush]

Do you think that Armenians in the same situation would act differently? If so, tell me how?

Are you questioning me Domino?

 

Are you asking me that if Armenians killed 1.5-2.0 Million Turks will act differently? Is that what you're asking me?

[DominO123]

Are you asking me that if Armenians killed 1.5-2.0 Million Turks will act differently? Is that what you're asking me?

 

Yes, that was my question.

[Takoush]

Yes, that was my question.

I just told Zareh that I am trying to do my homework. Didn't you read this thread? Do you want me to fail?

 

If not, please don't exasperate me with ridiculuous questions and try to ask Zareh the same questions.

 

He's free like yourself. Maybe he can give you satisfaction to your question.

[Eloren]

Here's my point of view:

 

Those Young Turks during WWI were complete animals.. OK, I agree with that. But those people are long gone now. Today's average Turk is a brainwashed man. He cannot really know the truth because of that stupid government hiding it.

I do not hate turks, I hate the turkish government, the dumb historians and the deniers that know the real truth and hide it. I am sure if you cut the head of the Gov., turks will slowly begin to realize their mistake.

 

@Anahid: What is your homework? Mine is to never forget and struggle for the recognition of the AG. To struggle to get our land back and to open the borders. The ideal thing would be to end this struggle peacefully. No more blood. The ideal thing would be the Turkish population cutting of the head of it's own government.

 

Is your homework killing all turks? It would not bring our dead back, It would not give them "peace", instead, we would have a lot more innocent dead people

 

I'm sure a lot of turks would recognize the Genocide, but what do you expect if just talking about it takes you to Jail (do not collect 200$)? No one would dare talk about it.

 

Treating them like animals won't make us humans. I assure you, if you convince the whole world about the AG, Turkey would fall on it's knees alone begging for forgivness. And that would be our greatest victory. Winning without killing like they did.

 

Just my two cents.

[Takoush]

Eloren:

 

No, No, don't be silly. I am really studying my lessons, as I go to college.

 

I don't want to kill any turks...lol...why should I study to kill turks?.....lol...are you crazy?

 

You see, I don't know what's up with Zareh and Domino. I think they don't like me to post here at all.

 

I think they want me to get out of the HyeForum. Two guys before me they said about the turks animals, and when I agreed with them both Zareh and Domino attacked only me for only agreeing with Gamavor and Hytga. They didn't attack or said human no human to Gamavor or Hytga who said it first, but the minute I agreed with them first Zareh criticized me then Domino started asking me ridiculous questions.

 

They are both gung ho to try to bother me incessantly, probably so I don't stay at HyeForum. That's what's happening Eloren. They are driving me to the wall. Meanwhile I am trying to study for my exams for tomorrow. Because I really have two papers to prepare and write for tomorrow. For my college...lol.

 

I didn't say to kill anybody Eloren. Don't you go saying crazy things like that also.

 

And a good chunk of the turks are inhuman really. Do you think that if a thousand years passed they will change?

Noooooooooooooooo. If you think they will you are dreaming my friend.

Edited November 22, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi

[Eloren]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't understand well i guess, my apologies

 

But I don't think really anyone is "attacking" another. We are all giving our point of view. Mine is not better than others, but it's mine.

I know this conversation is highly "inflamable" but let's try to keep it as civil and respectful as possible

 

About the subject, I didn't really mean you are going to kill turks lol, it was just an "image". But i meant that violence never brings peace.

 

Now give me the solution you think would be best, in your opinion.

 

Yes maybe a lot of turks are inhuman. But not everyone.

 

The only struggle that would succeed is a peaceful and clever struggle. Isolate Turkey against the rest of the world. Bring the proofs on the table in front of everyone and never forget. That's how we are going to win.

 

And it is not a dream

Edited November 22, 2005 by Eloren

[Takoush]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't understand well i guess, my apologies

 

But I don't think really anyone is "attacking" another. We are all giving our point of view. Mine is not better than others, but it's mine.

I know this conversation is highly "inflamable" but let's try to keep it as civil and respectful as possible

 

About the subject, I didn't really mean you are going to kill turks lol, it was just an "image". But i meant that violence never brings peace.

 

Now give me the solution you think would be best, in your opinion.

 

Yes maybe a lot of turks are inhuman. But not everyone.

 

The only struggle that would succeed is a peaceful and clever struggle. Isolate Turkey against the rest of the world. Bring the proofs on the table in front of everyone and never forget. That's how we are going to win.

 

And it is not a dream

Eloren:

 

I am very distressed with both Zareh and Domino. And yes they are attacking me by repeatedly criticizing only to my posts and to my views. Like I said, when someone else is posting something and I am only agreeing with them, if they don't want to only argue with me and bother me then why are they only criticizing my post just because I am agreeing with two other people? Heh? Why are they not going to the other two people's posts and finding faults in them when they first of all said animals themselves. I only agreed with them and they attacked me only for agreeing. Why are they doing this to me if they want me at HyeForum. No my friend. They probably want to see me out of this Forum.

 

And Eloren, I didn't say anything that I am regretful about as I speak only the truth and the facts. I am not the one aggrevating people. They are indeed to me. And I did try to keep it civil. But 'togh otsikes tseken al Zarehe yev Fadixe'.

 

Anyway, coming to Turks, after their previous government massacring us they have too much false pride in them and they don't want to accept it because they know that after accepting other responsibilities on their side will follow. Such as giving us money or our lands back. Eloren, you can't talk to these people. Their government is our number one enemy. How can you come to terms with people like that. I don't know and I don't have hope in them or their corrupted government.

 

The only thing I want to concentrate upon is supporting our organizations to lobby and try to make more countries pass resolutions for accepting the AG. Then let's see what happends. I would support Armenia and have as much Armenians as possible to either go to Armenia or to promote businesses in there, so that Armenia would thrive. That's important for us.

 

Now good night.

 

Anahid

Edited November 22, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi

[Eloren]

Eloren, you can't talk to these people. Their government is our number one enemy. How can you come to terms with people like that. I don't know and I don't have hope in them or their corrupted government.

 

You said it! The Government

Because the Gov. sucks doesn't automatically mean the population sucks.

If it was the case, I would never talk to any american for example. Most times the government does not speak what the population wants. Look in Europe also, most europeans want Turkey out of EU. But most Governments are OK with them joining

 

The only thing I want to concentrate upon is supporting our organizations to lobby and try to make more countries pass resolutions for accepting the AG. Then let's see what happends. I would support Armenia and have as much Armenians as possible to either go to Armenia or to promote businesses in there, so that Armenia would thrive. That's important for us.

 

Now good night.

 

Anahid

 

 

This is what i meant. Support them. That is how we will succeed. And yes I would like armenians to go back to Armenia. I have decided to do it next summer (It might seem crazy, i have a very comfortable life here..) and hope many will join. It's useless to struggle for a country that is being deserted slowly..

 

Good night to you

(I'm at work .. )

[zurderer]

You know what I think? I think you are a hyppocrit and I think you are playing with words and games with us.

 

Infact It is you who play with words, find truth, be a good man, ext.. ext.

 

But when your wish didnt accepted, "animal". I dont see any armenian less than a human or turk. but I think at 1915, some turk saw them as animal or less than a Turk. This is what you are doing now. It is you who looks like that butcher(except your race) not me.

You are on the side of today's criminal siding Turkey and you are on the side of criminals yourself.

 

 

I said I am not, because you think I wont agree with you at all topic, do this make me criminal? Well I dont think your ancestor was agree with young Turks. Criminals criminals.

 

I don't think you are that progressive if you say that the truth is relative when your country and your countrymen killed, annihilated, raped, robbed, starved and mamed 1.5 Million civilian well meaning Armenian citizens living in Turkey.

 

well truth is complately relative, do you think I believe everything armenians said? I am just following an easy logic, there were armenians before 1915, after 1915 there were none. So an ethnic cleansing happened(at least, but I dont think it is only ethnicc cleansing).Unless you, I will not accept one sided propoganda, be it armenian or turkish.

 

You are on the side of today's turkey that wants to deny and pay politicians to perpetrate and deny the truth about the Genocide; and don't tell me otherwise.

 

As I said I dont care this much, not because of your ancestors, but because of you. I would support or fight together with your ancestors, but I will not work with you or for you.

 

Actually it was them who beginned it first. I don't want to change the course of this topic into another one of those pointless topics where it becomes a war of words. But the least you could do is do some OBJECTIVE homework befor you accus armenians.

 

I am not accusing anyone, but what you said is complately same with what our nationalist said. Races are not one entitity, If someone killed someone, this guy should be punished personaly, not all of his race.(this is what young Turks did, and pls dont tell me, no armenians rebelled against ottomans)

 

I think objectivity is not only a must for turks.

 

The Mr. Turk above should make an effort to make a difference between being killed in the battle field and being killed unarmed in your home by your own government because of your ethnicity, religion or else.

 

I dont think azeris had 600.000 soldier, included childs and elders, and If I dont know wrong, they were living at their own homes.

 

The best turk is the dead turk!

 

Well said talat.

 

I am not going to kiss a turk nor am I going to play politics with these ANIMALS, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME!!!!!!!

 

So what will you do with this animals? war? so you think, If we want to be good people, we should hang our self. what will you do millions of people, who is living at lands you claim? their population is more than your country.

 

First, why do you believe that if you find other cases of genocides by other nations it will somehow makes of the crime of genocide(Armenians) less worster? Do you believe that what happened in the Azerbaijan Armenia conflict, will excuse the Ottoman empire? How?

 

I didnt say something like this. Dont put words to my mouth. I just said we are not world most guilty guys, even your own people made some crime.(small scale, and with less blood) Of course it is not an excuse, descendent of that armenians should take their right back.

 

What do you expect with your participation on this board, of course I guess you had a purpouses to be here. What it is?

 

I am following this forum more than 6 month, as you see. I didnt participate much and I have not a holy purpose, my job is boring.

 

And a good chunk of the turks are inhuman really. Do you think that if a thousand years passed they will change?

Noooooooooooooooo. If you think they will you are dreaming my friend.

 

Bad,

 

Yes maybe a lot of turks are inhuman. But not everyone.

 

well, at least now we have some human turk.

 

Our crime rate is lower than a lot country. I thinka lot inhuman Turks should make more crime.

 

 

 

I asked before, noone answered, did armenians open a campaing to turn their land back?(If they still call eastern anatolia as their land)

 

 

what will you do people who live eastern anatolia? (their population is more than ROA)

[gamavor]

Listen giotferen, normally I don't talk to sub-human turks, but since you bag for some answers here we go.. And please take notes not to repeat ad infinum the same things.

 

1. First, Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were subjected to genocide by their so-called "own" government. They were not only expelled (those were the lucky ones). The bulk of Armenian peasantry in Anatolia was mercilessly slathered with no reason - simply following the orders of the local beys and *****s. This was a classic example of genocide. Human extermination based on hatred due to religious and ethnic differences.

 

 

Now Karabagh.

 

Armenians in Karabagh inhabited their own lands for at least millennia before the arrival of your kind. Stalin gave Karabagh to Azerbaijan as a reward for their loyalty to the red ideas. During the Soviet rule, Armenians in Karabagh (although autonomous region, legally recognized by the Soviet constitution) were deprived of all basic human rights including the very basic cultural rights. 76% of Karabagh population was Armenian, while Azeris constituted only 15%. The rest were Greeks, Russian and Yezidis.

 

At the beginning of the war Azeris virtually ethnically cleansed the areas populated by Armenians around Karabagh (Shahumian region) and initiated pogroms in Baku and Sumgait. When the war went on full scale, likewise Azeris were forced (yes, forced) to evacuate by the approaching Karabagh army.

 

Here we are dealing with forced immigration during wartime. It was not the Armenian government that forced its own Azeri citizens to migrate but the war conditions. It was a war between two independent parties - Azerbaidjan and Karabagh.

[Takoush]

You know what I think? I think you are a hyppocrit and I think you are playing with words and games with us.

 

Infact It is you who play with words, find truth, be a good man, ext.. ext.

 

But when your wish didnt accepted, "animal". I dont see any armenian less than a human or turk. but I think at 1915, some turk saw them as animal or less than a Turk. This is what you are doing now. It is you who looks like that butcher(except your race) not me.

 

Look at yourself sub human bloody turk.......you are losing yourself. You can't even get a control of yourself. You are acting like you belong in the mad house.......same as most of your coutrymen who beheaded my grandmothers and my grandfathers mercilessly like real animals....just like you.

 

Be it given the opportunity you will do the same bloody deeds like Talaat.

 

So stop trying to turn the tables on me you stupid turk. All of you are beneath me and my Armenian race.

You idiot you are calling me I look like butcher? How? Did I kill you or your anscestors? Or your bloody race did indeed kill merceilessly my beautiful race. You are alive and a BIG HEADACHE TO ME RIGHT NOW!!!!!!! You are like the wart who doesn't seem to go away from this Forum.

 

Yes, I hope the spirit of my saintly anscestors come alive and hover all over you... to know what it means to kill my whole race by your bloody low life turkish ignoramice race.

Edited November 22, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi