Fidan Sadikhova Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 i bet you if they had a chance they would do it to all the armenians It's your point of view and I don't think all azeris gonna do it if it can be possible. It's not right to tell something about whole nations only becouse of one or two or three persons. What makes you think we'll actually change our minds about you. I don't think that you gonna change your mind about me or my nation. Just wanted to have normal discussion without offending each other. get the siktir out of here It just shows your personality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 As far as I see I didn't insult you. I just tried to share my thoughts. About Ramil safarov. I don't want to offend you but normal person cannot kill someone unless he did something wrong. He offended Azerbaijan and azeris. That's why it happende. And last. If noone understand russian here just tell me in normal way. Becouse i don't know armenian language and my english is'n very fluent. So I though you knew russian... A normal country does not declare a cowardly killer a man of the year. It just shows what values your nation Azerbaijan holds. You have made a hero out of a coward. That is a shame and if I were you I would denounce my nationality rather than justifying. Don't you understand that until your nation drops its hate and warmongering there cannot be a normal conversation, because if we sleep in the same hotel I have to worry about my life thinking that there is a nutcase national "hero" with an axe who wants to chop my head off. By declaring such muderers national hero your nation only confirms that you are the nation who is always ready to resort butchering such as in Sumgait, Baku and Kirovabad. Your nation is simply uncivilized nomads in the core, sitting on oil and stealing and destroying our history. Destroying tombstones is again something that a cowardly nation will do, because breaking stones is not really an accoplishment but confirms ones brutality. Come to think of it, your nation does all these things and you have the nerve to come here and try to have a normal conversation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 It just shows your personality... oh right i'm the agressor. of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 It's your point of view and I don't think all azeris gonna do it if it can be possible. It's not right to tell something about whole nations only becouse of one or two or three persons. I don't think that you gonna change your mind about me or my nation. Just wanted to have normal discussion without offending each other. It just shows your personality... it took more then 1 or 2 or 3 to kill rape over 300 Armenians in 1988 BTW - killings started on the February 27 - whats today's date ??? the 27 can any of our members translate our old Armenian Saying and post it for her/him - " Satani MAhlen QyandrBazutyun mi Ara " Thank you in Addvance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Ok, let's all relax a little. Azerbaijanis are about 7 million and a big proportion of them are well educated and balanced people. As a matter of fact, the people of the caucasus (azeri, armenian, georgian or others) are very much similar, physically as well as personality wise. What I mean is that an armenian is much closer to an azeri than to a german, a japanese or an indian... and vice versa. Of course each one will think that he is better but the fact is that these nations have lived together for centuries and this obviously reflects in present times. Coming to the core of the issue. The fact that Ramil Safarov is a low gutter criminal is known to all, including the overwhelming majority of azeris, and that's it! I think azeris know this guy is dirty, but there is some sort of sympathy for him at home since he killed an ennemy officer (in sleep). Every azeri that went through hard times during the war may think: "Well, we had a war against the armenians which did a lot of harm to us and this guy actually killed one of their officers. We know what he did is not fair and just, but deep down we're not sad that an enemy officer is killed and the world will see that the actions of the armenians have driven azeris to almost insanity". This is my opinion on the thought process of most azeris concerning safarov. Of course I don't agree with it and could explain why some other time! As for jugha, the wall between armenia and azerbaijan, and Safarov as man of the year the answer is simple: The azeri leadership has serious identity issues which may turn into a pathology if not solved quickly. Jugha has the signature of either Baku authorities or the Nakhichevan leadership or probably both. No regular azeri villager or citizen would go destroy tombstones. This is a fact since many former armenian villages in azerbaijan where azeris now live (coming from armenia) have their former armenian cemeteries preserved. The same is true with armenians from azerbaijan living in former azeri villages of Armenia. I've seen the latter with my eyes! Armenians actually took care of the azeri cemetery, and there is reliable evidence that the opposite is also true. No comments about the wall since it should be in the humour section. Another detail, Safarov was elected man of the year by the ultranationalistic-fanatic party called "grey wolves", not by the government and the people. It is nevertheless true that the azeri elite (newspapers, intellectuals, politicians, etc) is mostly supportive of safarov by scandalously justifying his act. At least, that's what we hear and read in the media! Nobody loudly condemned his act at home! And this is the danger. If the government continues its hysterical anti-armenian propaganda, then very soon there will be no more balanced azeris left with whom we can actually talk. I agree with all the negative stuff being said about the azeri government but not on the azeri people! I also think most members of this forum do make a clear distinction between the latter and the former! And finally, I also feel cheap using the cliché-classic-standard argument of "government is bad not the people", but that's exactly how reality looks to be in azerbaijan and I could not invent some other approach just to be original! These were some of my thoughts Fidan! A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Aaron, that's a nice piece of propaganda. However, we know you Azeris too well. Our history has been destroyed throughout the decades all the way leading to the Karabakh movement. Your people who you claim are educated and nice are nothing like that. All governments that you have had have gradually destroyed the tombstones in Jugha, buried or destroyed churches in lower Karabahk, there has been a consistent policy during Soviet times to steal or destroy our history. All this happened with the silent support of your Azeri people and your chauvinistic intelligentsia. They never denounced the massacres of Sumgait, they never denounced Safarov, they never denounced fabrication of history. In fact, they have always supported anti-Armenian acts of the governments. Anti-Armenian hysteria is a major way to unite your people, it plainly shows that everyone hates Armenians. So, nice attempt, but no, I don't buy it. Such words are not worth a penny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Sasun jan your getting this wrong Aaron is not the azeri the Fidan is or i'm I wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 way to unite your people, it plainly shows that everyone hates Armenians. Who cares?? It'll just make them less effective on the battlefield. When they "hate" us, then I know that we are doing something right. Ok, let's all relax a little. Read her quote. Their mentallity is entirely alien to civilization. Their actions are entirely alien to courage and honor. I know these people, I was born there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 ARMENIAN AND SWISS STATE FLAGS BURNT DURING “PEACEFUL” ACTION IN BAKU * February 26 some 100 Azeri and Turkish students held in Baku a “peaceful action” dedicated to the so-called Hojalu genocide. According to APA reporter, the action participants were carrying the state flags of Azerbaijan and Turkey and the portraits of former Azerbaijani President Heydar Aliyev and shouted out slogans condemning the “Hojalu genocide”. “Freedom to Karabakh”, “Freedom to Ramil Safarov”, they were crying out. During the action they burnt the Armenian and Swiss state flags. Despite the interference of the police the action was continued. At the end the students sang the hymns of Azerbaijan and Turkey and marched to the Alley of Shahids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 burnt the state flag of Swiss ??? whey ??? or was it the Flag of Artsakh was not sold in baku ?? they have burned what could be found or was available at good price ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 i'm trying to locate an official (or close to it) casualty numbers from both sides because of the conflict.. any sources would be appreciated... thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 [/b]Abulfaz Elchibey: In case a single Armenian remains in Karabakh by October 1992, the Azeri people can hang me in the central square of Baku 27.02.2006 17:18 After inheriting the throne from his father, Ilham Aliev raised the anti-Armenian policy in Azerbaijan to the state level. It is hard to retrieve any of his speeches or interviews, which do not contain threat toward Armenians. However, it would be incorrect to say that other leaders or high officials stood apart from the temptation of poisoning the Azeri people by spreading anti-Armenian hysteria. One of the former Presidents of Azerbaijan Abulfaz Elchibey said in June 1992, “In case a single Armenian remains in Karabakh by October 1992, the Azeri people can hang me in the central square of Baku.” Through a state-military revolution Elchibey dethroned Heidar Aliev. “In 1970s I have done everything to have the number of Azeri population in Nagorno-Karabakh increase, and the number of Armenian population decrease,” Heidar Aliev had stated. In February 2004 the Budapest tragedy occurred. This was the peak of anti-Armenian expression in Azerbaijan. A few days after this horrible crime Deputy Anar Mamedkhanov declared, “I have been always telling our Officers – you are wanted in Karabakh. Armenians should be killed in Karabakh, not in other countries.” The Human Rights Defender of Azerbaijan Elmira Suleymanova, “For Azeri youth Ramil Safarov should become an example of patriotism.” Permanent Representative of Azerbaijan to the Council of Europe, “I do not advise the Armenians to sleep calmly, and unless the Karabakh conflicts has been settled, the accidents like the one in Budapest cannot be excluded.” Press Secretary of the Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan Ramiz Melikov, “ In the coming 25-30 years there will be no state named Armenia in South Caucasus. This people has carried out so many nasty things toward its neighbors, that it has no right to live in this region. Today’s Armenia has been built on the historic lands of Azerbaijan. This kid of quotations can be continued. Let’s mention only that the international community has condemned three anti-Armenian acts of Azerbaijan, i.e. it has partly criticized Ramil Safarov’s crime, as well as cancelled the NATO military exercises in Baku. Besides, the European Parliament has recently adopted a resolution condemning the demolition of Armenian khachkars in Old Jugha. The statement by the authorities in Baku confirms a view founded in the Armenian reality that Nagorno-Karabakh can in no way be part of Azerbaijan. A year ago US Ambassador to Armenia John Evans declared that the return of Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan would be a tragedy. Tatul Hakobyan "Radiolur" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 About Ramil safarov. I don't want to offend you but normal person cannot kill someone unless he did something wrong. He offended Azerbaijan and azeris. That's why it happende. Are you in any way trying to justify Safarov's actions? By your sentence, I am to understand that you assume Safarov normal and the victim guilty for having offended Azerbaijan, whatever that means and wherever you pulled that from. How very Oriental-offended-by-Danish-cartoons-and-incited-to-burn-embassies-under-"normal"-conditions-like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidan Sadikhova Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 armenian is much closer to an azeri than to a german, a japanese or an indian Actually i wanted to tell the same thing but after all the agression I saw from SOME(not all) users I didn't write it. About Sadarov, maybe he was wrong butnow we are enemies and of course if he killed an enemy we all are "happy" and he is" the man of the year". I sympathyze him becouse he's azeri that's it. Maybe if he was german or american or smt. like that my opinioncould be different. I can't say that all armenian are BAD only becouse of this problem. even now I have some, not friends but people who I talk to who I chat with, they were living In Baku before this conflict. And of course it's a big problem for m and to other people like me. And i know that there are some armenian who have relations with azeris and this is the big problem for them too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidan Sadikhova Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 (edited) By the way, about agression. There is a web site, maybe I wrote abiout it. day.az/forum There are many armenians and azeris and no one offending each other. Just speak normally this is the rule of the web site and forum. So I can't propose you to be my friend or something like that, we just can speak normally without agression even of we eant to offend each other in the deep of our souls. No one really knows what happenede, who killed azeris and who killed armenians. I'm sure and'll always think like this: If there weren't any russiand this conflict could be solved without victims. Just think about this tragedy. Two countries, neighbours, they are on the same territiry(I mean caucasus) and they alays argue. I hope it will end someday. Someone asked who was azeri. As far as I know azeri is only me. Don't know about user named Aaron. Edited February 28, 2006 by Fidan Sadikhova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 About Sadarov, maybe he was wrong butnow we are enemies and of course if he killed an enemy we all are "happy" and he is" the man of the year". I sympathyze him becouse he's azeri that's it. Maybe if he was german or american or smt. like that my opinioncould be different. Fidan either you are a young person with no maturity or yu're dumb like a door knob. If you kill an enemy on a battlefield or in war that's fine, but when an enemy is axed to death in their sleep without defence in a neutral country that's murder of the worst kind. In other countries Armenians are not killing Azeries. I hope you get it this time, Safarov is not a hero he's a murderer. As long you don't get this we'll not welcome you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Fidan either you are a young person with no maturity or yu're dumb like a door knob. Yervant, she is neither dumb nor immature, she is simply an Azeri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 KILLED ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE ARMENIANS * Perhaps very little people know but 18 years ago, some time past Sumgait events there was a trial was exercised. Of course the Soviet Government did not call things by their proper names and M. Gorbachev would probably say the same: “The army was 3 hours late ...” Whereas, three days ahead the violent Azeri rabble armed with sharpened poles, knives and axes was seeking for Armenians all over Sumgait with the intention to tear them. Simply because they were Armenians. This is the reality. And what refers to the trial of the murderers ... During one of those trials in the autumn of 1988 in Sumgait famous lawyer, Chairman of Palace of Lawyers Rouben Sahakyan represented the interests of the victims. “The trial was held in Sumgait. I was representing the interests of 5 victims.” Nevertheless, the Azeri murderers were punished at least by a judgment. “One of them was sentenced to 15, another to 10 years of imprisonment. And I don’t remember the sentence of the other one as we left the Court hall on the 14th day of the trial because of the threatening addressed to us. Our compatriots were killed in Sumgait only because being Armenians. It has been proved by the materials of the case.” - Nevertheless, were the events in Sumgait condemned as a crime? - Of course no. They were not because at that time the USSR Government tried to show these events not as ethnic violence but as results of the activity of a group of hooligans. Whereas, those actions were based on ethnic animosity only, - Rouben Sahakyan mentions. - And has the Armenian government taken any necessary measures to reveal the truth to the world? - Steps have been taken on the level of individuals: certain people tried to raise that problem: Aghasi Arshakyan, Yuri Barseghov and others. But no steps have been taken on state level. We published a booklet “Sumgait, publicity, genocide. But there is still much to be done in this field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 LET´S REVEAL AZERBAIJAN’S TRUE We have been indifferent to the cultural and simply Genocide, but that was the last straw. The Azeri policy has surpassed all the expectations, “today Azerbaijan and Turkey defeat Armenians just for being Armenians and destruct Armenian culture just because it is Armenian. In the end, we have to realize on a state scale as first of all state forces and state hand are necessary to reveal the true face of Azerbaijan to the international community,” said Armenologist Argam Ayvazyan. For this occasion he mentioned the words of great Armenian poet Avetis Aharonyan: “If our generations forgive your so many crimes, let the whole world reproach Armenians with that,” and added: “Let’s not leave that reproach unanswered, let’s struggle together as we have a strong army.” /Panorama.am/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 (edited) Here is your answer about the Swiss flag Mos: They may want to 'blame' Russia for the conflict, but who do they blame for their collective animal-like savagery and stupidity? -------------------------------------------------------- Baku, February 24, AssA-Irada “By believing the Armenian propaganda, the European Parliament (EP) has gone against its principles,” says a statement of the Swiss-Azeri Cooperation Society (SACS) sent to the European Parliament. The letter expresses protest at the EP’s accusation of Azerbaijan of alleged desecration of Armenian crosses on graveyards in the Azeri exclave of Nakhchivan and says that the tombs on the territory of Nakhchivan have nothing to do with Armenians. The letter explains that prior to the appearance of Islamic religion, Azerbaijanis were Christians too and the tombs belong to their ancestors. There are many more such tombs elsewhere in Azerbaijan. The tombs in Nakhchivan have been damaged by severe weather conditions in Nakhchivan. The message also says the Azerbaijani government would soon complete restoration of all ancient graves. SACS also accused the European Parliament of turning a blind eye to the Khojali massacre. The Society has sent a collection of photos documenting the massacre and asked for permission to demonstrate a film about the tragedy to European MPs.* Edited March 1, 2006 by skhara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 ahha now i see as for the film and photos from khjalu - it will also help if the Armenia side will send in a 5 minute long video tape that one of 8 video cameras has captured - aseri shooting at azeris and the commander making the orders to shut it's from 75 to 100 yards a way. good picture good quality and if any of you ever visit khojalu just pay attention on the bullet holes on some of the buildings - 90% of the time most bullet hols are from azeris side i guess it's an game of chess - right move at the right time - will see what happens on the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 (edited) The tombs in Nakhchivan have been damaged by severe weather conditions in Nakhchivan. they're doing everything to surprise even themselves. this is hillarious. severe weather conditions crack into parts thousands of stones Edited March 1, 2006 by hytga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 next we will get this - the video was staged by Armenians who has crossed over the border in to Nakhijevan and destroyed old azeri cross stones - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Yervant, she is neither dumb nor immature, she is simply an Azeri. Not sure Sri Chinmoy would approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Here is your answer about the Swiss flag Mos: They may want to 'blame' Russia for the conflict, but who do they blame for their collective animal-like savagery and stupidity? -------------------------------------------------------- Baku, February 24, AssA-Irada “By believing the Armenian propaganda, the European Parliament (EP) has gone against its principles,” says a statement of the Swiss-Azeri Cooperation Society (SACS) sent to the European Parliament. The letter expresses protest at the EP’s accusation of Azerbaijan of alleged desecration of Armenian crosses on graveyards in the Azeri exclave of Nakhchivan and says that the tombs on the territory of Nakhchivan have nothing to do with Armenians. The letter explains that prior to the appearance of Islamic religion, Azerbaijanis were Christians too and the tombs belong to their ancestors. There are many more such tombs elsewhere in Azerbaijan. The tombs in Nakhchivan have been damaged by severe weather conditions in Nakhchivan. The message also says the Azerbaijani government would soon complete restoration of all ancient graves. SACS also accused the European Parliament of turning a blind eye to the Khojali massacre. The Society has sent a collection of photos documenting the massacre and asked for permission to demonstrate a film about the tragedy to European MPs.* I don,t blame the Azeries for sending these kind of letters, because we know their brain capacity. It's the EU that I blame for not challenging their lies. How can a weather condition break huge slabs of stones and take them to the edge of the river? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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