DominO Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Wait. Is music abstract, or is there abstract music? As far as I'm concerned these are two separate things. I don't deny the existence of abstract music, as something artistic. I just (still) think that that which we can hear is concrete, and therefore music itself, like noise, is not abstract. style_images/master/snapback.png Music alone is abstract... but after reflection, I do believe that some musics are not as abstract, like those mixing with environment noises, like new-age musics. But the music itself, the "real" thing, is all by itself as abstract as something can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I have never heard of abstract music. There is experimental music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Alright. Atheism is not a religion. style_images/master/snapback.png Sip, can you kick his butt for me please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I have never heard of abstract music. There is experimental music. style_images/master/snapback.png Me too, I have searched on google today just to see if something called abstract music existed. That is not logical, because music itself is abstract. It is like saying Dark is dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 You are an I don't know about a creator, but a rejector of the conception of a God present in monotheistic texts. You're more closer to being an agnostic. Admit it, accept your agnosticism, and leave the atheistic religion. If you accept it, you could claim to not have a religion. style_images/master/snapback.png I'm an atheist. Everyone has their own belief of God (and even God tends to be a bit different to everyone). With my belief of who is God and lack of such a beings existence I consider myself to be an atheist. What's with agnosticism? Why do people want to accept agnosticism but not atheism? Sasun, I'll answer you in a minute. The problem with God is that we don't know what we're talking about. My idea of God is different from your idea of God, and I'm sure Domino has a different idea of God, and Dusken has a different idea of God, and Armen has his own idea of God. We don't define God but readily get into a discussion about God. (Oopps, didn't mean to write this much here. I'll answer you in a separate post ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Me too, I have searched on google today just to see if something called abstract music existed. That is not logical, because music itself is abstract. It is like saying Dark is dark. style_images/master/snapback.png Could this work?http://www.answers.com/abstract+music&r=67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 "are not as abstract" There are no degrees of abstraction. Either something is abstract or it is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Sasun, I'll answer you in a minute. The problem with God is that we don't know what we're talking about. My idea of God is different from your idea of God, and I'm sure Domino has a different idea of God, and Dusken has a different idea of God, and Armen has his own idea of God. We don't define God but readily get into a discussion about God. (Oopps, didn't mean to write this much here. I'll answer you in a separate post ) style_images/master/snapback.png Anoushik, when I answered I took time to think about it. Please you also think about it There is no rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Could this work?http://www.answers.com/abstract+music&r=67 style_images/master/snapback.png Well, I guess that works. But that is the name of a genre and does not really have to do with the idea of abstraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I'm an atheist. Everyone has their own belief of God (and even God tends to be a bit different to everyone). With my belief of who is God and lack of such a beings existence I consider myself to be an atheist. What's with agnosticism? Why do people want to accept agnosticism but not atheism? Sasun, I'll answer you in a minute. The problem with God is that we don't know what we're talking about. My idea of God is different from your idea of God, and I'm sure Domino has a different idea of God, and Dusken has a different idea of God, and Armen has his own idea of God. We don't define God but readily get into a discussion about God. (Oopps, didn't mean to write this much here. I'll answer you in a separate post ) style_images/master/snapback.png Anoushik, an agnostic is the one whom dought, an I don't know. As for my conception of a god, I have no conception of a god. I am the only group I know of beside the agnostics, and the "no position" agnostics, that I can qualify as no religion. Multiuniverse. Everything is possibility and probability,... so for me the existence of a god and the noneexistance are underterminated, they are two realities, if you try to measure its existance you may measure something, depending on the influence of the other observers, if you want to measure its non-existance, you will measure its non-existance. Both the theists and atheists are right and wrong. Oh and, by having a conception of a god, you are not really an atheist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 My idea of God is different from your idea of God, and I'm sure Domino has a different idea of God, and Dusken has a different idea of God, and Armen has his own idea of God. I have no concept of God. "God" is a meaningless word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 (edited) Exactly: Abstract music is also a genre of electronic music which embraces experimentation through deconstruction. It doesn't say that music is abstract. Edit: Dusken was a step ahead. Edited February 3, 2005 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 What, for the love of hell, is "dought?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Anoushik, when I answered I took time to think about it. Please you also think about it There is no rush. style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, that's what I'm doing Wow, this forum can be very fast sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 What, for the love of hell, is "dought?" style_images/master/snapback.png That's what I was thinking too. Domino, can you define it? I noticed you used it often these past few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 What, for the love of hell, is "dought?" style_images/master/snapback.png Dough. I told you, I'm dyslexic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Oh and, by having a conception of a god, you are not really an atheist. style_images/master/snapback.png Why not? I live in this world. I was raised in a world where people talk about God often and they even go to a place to worship him. While I stopped believing in such a being I have some ideas about how an ideal God should be if he existed in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Dough? As in... http://primoptimist.typepad.com/photos/making_pasta/almost_there.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Why not? I live in this world. I was raised in a world where people talk about God often and they even go to a place to worship him. While I stopped believing in such a being I have some ideas about how an ideal God should be if he existed in the first place. style_images/master/snapback.png But, do you believe in a creator, don't believe in it, or dough of its existance? Well, I have to take a brake, i will come back later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Anoushik, an agnostic is the one whom dought, an I don't know. style_images/master/snapback.png Dough. I told you, I'm dyslexic. Sorry, say again, what do you mean in the first sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Dough? As in... http://primoptimist.typepad.com/photos/making_pasta/almost_there.jpg style_images/master/snapback.png OK! OK! I meant doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 OK! OK! I meant doubt. style_images/master/snapback.png Ahh... now it makes sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 But, do you believe in a creator, don't believe in it, or dough of its existance? style_images/master/snapback.png I don't believe in a God-like creator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I have no concept of God. "God" is a meaningless word. style_images/master/snapback.png what's your concept of fairy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I agree here again. Oh boy, whom would believe I would agree 3 times with you today. style_images/master/snapback.png I couldn’t resist saying "this is a beginning of a beautiful relationship" for some reason you two were making a great arguments........damn now its all over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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