Armen Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Armen there is no need to get technical. Listen to any classical music even modern music and each person takes away something subjective meaning even though composer may have felt an inspiration from a fly there is no way that he can convey that in concrete terms in music. Music is sound! Human made instrumental sound is abstract by default. For example Nairi mentioned sabre dance. If you did not know the title and the composer personal heritage, background etc and played this to bunch of Latin Americans, I can assure you they may feel not a single sword or anything close to original music’s inspiration. It is all subjective. style_images/master/snapback.png The fact that it is named "Sabre Dance" is subjective. Because the name is a different association that is there so that we can classify or for some other reason. But for example the rythm is not abstract. Anyone could identify its rythm. Or we can all identify rythms of different nations. The same Latin Americans for example. Armat, I think there is a difference in our (mine, yours, everyones) definition of "abstract" that's why there is a misunderstanding perhaps. If we say the music is totaly abstract, we are just discriminating our listening sense. Our hearing is not different from our sense of smell, vision, touch etc. They all have a different degree of tangibility (and therefore different degree of abstraction) but none of them is totaly subjective. If hearing is subjective then vision is too as we may feel very differently about the same woman based on her looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Armat, with your definition, everything in life is abstract. I made a distinction between that which can be sensed (concrete) and that which cannot be sensed (abstract). Music can be sensed with the ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Armat, with your definition, everything in life is abstract. I made a distinction between that which can be sensed (concrete) and that which cannot be sensed (abstract). Music can be sensed with the ears. style_images/master/snapback.png Nairi I disagree.Abtract can be sensed.Mark rothko's late paintings can be seen and they are still abstract.We are talking about content and to what extand that can be percieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 What I am basically saying is that if applying the same reason why we consider an abstract painting abstract, in music, music would be the most abstract of all arts. Because it`s not figurative, or any as simple as that. QB above.I agree totally furthermore not just figurative but any representational reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armenjc Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 My father's work. style_images/master/snapback.png You father has a beautiful style...lovely artwork. It's calming to look at his paintings. I'm really enjoying surfing around this message board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted February 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Thank you. Glad you feel that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitelotus Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Art is not about thinking as far as I am concerned. Abstract art is an illusion. style_images/master/snapback.png Art's whatever you want it or make it to be. To you it might be illusion, to another it might be thought, emotion and whatever else they feel. http://gogortilozforum.com/style_emoticons/default/newaug5.gif To each his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Art's whatever you want it or make it to be. To you it might be illusion, to another it might be thought, emotion and whatever else they feel. http://gogortilozforum.com/style_emoticons/default/newaug5.gif To each his own. style_images/master/snapback.png Honorable Ms., I don't remember why did I say that but that was meant to be something very smart. As of now it has lost its validity a bit, however, I give it another try... So, everything goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitelotus Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Yeap it goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 OK let it go, I guess But do I have the freedom not to consider it art or I must follow the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitelotus Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) You have the freedom to consider it whatever you want. Everyone sees, feels, and thinks art differently. http://gogortilozforum.com/style_emoticons/default/painter.gif one mans art can be another mans garbage. Edited March 17, 2005 by whitelotus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 You have the freedom to consider it whatever you want. Everyone sees, feels, and thinks art differently. http://gogortilozforum.com/style_emoticons/default/painter.gif one mans art can be another mans garbage. style_images/master/snapback.png Surely there is a standard for good art and bad art, don't you think so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitelotus Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 We all have our own standard within ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 We all have our own standard within ourselves. style_images/master/snapback.png So if my five year old son bangs on the piano keys randomly but he thinks it is a great music then according to your logic it is. Hey who we are to disagree right? and who gives us the authority to judge right? There is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. Art can be judged according to its particular linage, history, great contributors, historical significance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitelotus Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 So if my five year old son bangs on the piano keys randomly but he thinks it is a great music then according to your logic it is. Yes to your son it's great music, but it doesn't mean to you it might be the same. http://die-pretty.net/forum/images/smiles/25.gif My point is, each individual has a different idea and opinion of whats great and what's not. Who are we to put a rubber stamp on something and say for example that ' All Abstract Art is crap.' It's just one persons opinion. Even if lets say the majority thought it sucked, it still wouldn't make abstract art crap because there might be one person out of a 100 who thinks it's brilliant. And that my friend takes away the rubber stamp that All abstract art stinks. http://die-pretty.net/forum/images/smiles/25.gif Everyones idea of art and beauty is different. http://die-pretty.net/forum/images/smiles/5.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 So if my five year old son bangs on the piano keys randomly but he thinks it is a great music then according to your logic it is. style_images/master/snapback.png Actually my one-year-old niece tends to produce miracles when randomly banging on the piano We all stop what we're doing to enjoy her "concerto". I bought her a harmonica for new year's eve. Now she plays them both at the same time Still random, but worth listening to But I see your point. I also see Lily's though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 My point is, each individual has a different idea and opinion of whats great and what's not. Who are we to put a rubber stamp on something and say for example that ' All Abstract Art is crap.' It's just one persons opinion. Even if lets say the majority thought it sucked, it still wouldn't make abstract art crap because there might be one person out of a 100 who thinks it's brilliant. And that my friend takes away the rubber stamp that All abstract art stinks. http://die-pretty.net/forum/images/smiles/25.gif Everyones idea of art and beauty is different. http://die-pretty.net/forum/images/smiles/5.gif style_images/master/snapback.png No, I disagree. A great amount of knowledge and experience in the field of study determines what is good art and what is bad art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitelotus Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 (edited) No, I disagree. A great amount of knowledge and experience in the field of study determines what is good art and what is bad art. Anoushik jan. I'm not objecting to your claim. I think what you are saying is very correct. I'm not arguing about what is good quality and what isn't, or whose idea of art is better than the others. I'm just stating that everyone has a different idea of whats beautiful to them. Nothing more, nothing less. Edited March 18, 2005 by whitelotus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 My latest.Acrylic on canvas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I agree with Anoushik and Armat. What people fail to understand is that art is before anything else, the communication of your "being." More talented you are, more you will be able to reproduce this. A child will only hit the piano keys... people may like that, and find it a masterpiece, but there is no "knowledgeble" representation of his being with this act. What makes it a masterpieces is innovation and the capacity to represent(talent) your "me of the moment." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitelotus Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 (edited) I fully agree with the arguments you've made. What I pointed out is the first step. I simply said that different people have different ideas and opinions of what art is to themselves. This is where it all starts , from square one and then you build on top of that to gain knowledge and experience. You guys made the argument that it doesn't make what they think of art, really art. I couldn't agree with you more. I just stated the first building blocks under the whole conclusion we've come to. http://die-pretty.net/forum/images/smiles/61.gif Edited March 18, 2005 by whitelotus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Whitelotus, it makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 I got excepted to exhibit Art work in Commemoration of Armenian Genocide 90th anniversary http://www.galleryzprov.com If you are in the area welcome to attend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Here is another site that is worth mentioning: http://www.armeniangenocideposters.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 The posters are excellently done and eye-catching. I find it sad that there is little publicity about this worthwhile project. With a concerted effort a lot of publicity can be generated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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