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He was actually influenced by Diebenkorn but, theoretically, they are very different. Diebenkorn's paintings were all landscapes-gone-abstract and were often copies of Matisse's paintings. My father's construction and aim are very different and have no basis in landscapes, whatsoever. Edited by dusken
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He used lot of geometric shapes.His opean park series are great.

I liked this one. http://anto-p.com/g3/i7.htm

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I like Diebenkorn's Ocean Park series. Strangely enough, I actually work on that very street, Ocean Park.

 

That image that you chose there is part of the Wall series which is a further development and is drastically deviant from the theoretical roots he was expressing in the previous series.

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I like Diebenkorn's Ocean Park series. Strangely enough, I actually work on that very street, Ocean Park.

 

That image that you chose there is part of the Wall series which is a further development and is drastically deviant from the theoretical roots he was expressing in the previous series.

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Dusken is that where you live?San Fran?Nice town,the only one worth living in CA.Just noticed I spelled Ocean opean lol :D

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I realy don't see where do you guys find shapes, influences, vibrancy etc. It is just shapeless unorganised colors. People forget how to draw paintings these days :( I realy did not notice anything. No people, no animals, no flowers, nothing... Just some colors. Shall I drink or something?
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I realy don't see where do you guys find shapes, influences, vibrancy etc. It is just shapeless unorganised colors. People forget how to draw paintings these days :( I realy did not notice anything. No people, no animals, no flowers, nothing... Just some colors. Shall I drink or something?

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Have you ever painted?

 

You'll understand once you experience it, believe me. It is not only about colors and shapes.

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I realy don't see where do you guys find shapes, influences, vibrancy etc. It is just shapeless unorganised colors. People forget how to draw paintings these days :( I realy did not notice anything. No people, no animals, no flowers, nothing... Just some colors. Shall I drink or something?

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Armen you may have a point meaning obstruction no matter what type still is obstruction. When the viewer becomes more important then the object viewed then something gets lost. Too much subjectivity.

I prefer to hint or suggest the subject so there is focal point to what the work is about.

When visual art is reduced to its most fundamental elements then what you got is an extreme reduction on the expanse of content or the elements become the content. Something gets reduced to annihilation in this way…

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Armen you may have a point meaning obstruction no matter what type still is obstruction. When the viewer becomes more important then the object viewed then something gets lost. Too much subjectivity.

I prefer to hint or suggest the subject so there is focal point to what the work is about.

When visual art is reduced to its most fundamental elements then what you got is an extreme reduction on the expanse of content or the elements become the content. Something gets reduced to annihilation in this way…

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I do injoy only colors etc. I don't know, sometimes it may well be the artist impression of the moment and just the pleasure of painting, and other times just a lazy gesture, I guess no body other than the artist that painted it is to tell.

 

The feeling you get just by painting sometimes alone may be what there is in the paint that is just a traces of this. Don't know... maybe what I am babling about is just the result of sleep wave intrusions... and that I have no idea of what I am talking about. :)

 

BTW Armat, I saw the other day your genocide painting :huh: I don't remember having seen it before, I think it imortalised the moment better than any other visual representation of it.

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I do injoy only colors etc. I don't know, sometimes it may well be the artist impression of the moment and just the pleasure of painting, and other times just a lazy gesture, I guess no body other than the artist that painted it is to tell.

 

The feeling you get just by painting sometimes alone may be what there is in the paint that is just a traces of this. Don't know... maybe what I am babling about is just the result of sleep wave intrusions... and that I have no idea of what I am talking about. :)

 

BTW Armat, I saw the other day your genocide painting  :huh: I don't remember having seen it before, I think it imortalised the moment better than any other visual representation of it.

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Domino that painting sort of involved or took a life on its own.I changed it ten times meaning on each version it was a complete painting however I was not satisfied but finally it completed itself and depletted me dry for a long while.

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I realy don't see where do you guys find shapes, influences, vibrancy etc. It is just shapeless unorganised colors. People forget how to draw paintings these days :( I realy did not notice anything. No people, no animals, no flowers, nothing... Just some colors. Shall I drink or something?

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Arshile Gorky was as good a drawer as Picasso was (Picasso was unbelievable), but he chose to paint abstractly. My father was an excellent drawer when he decided to move into abstract. All of the great abstract painters were figurative artists to start. It is an intellectual choice and to say that it is surrendering to a lack of skill is very unfair. Kandinsky painted the first abstract painting and he got the idea to do so because he had a figurative painting in his studio which he happened to glance at upside down. He realized that the thought that went into it to make it a successful painting had nothing to do with what was painted. Yes, there are no dogs or trees or people. But that does not mean they are unorganized. It is not a random process. Good abstract work is as thought out, if not more thought out, than figurative art.

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you work for EA?  I use to work just off Ocean Park as well and have a best friend who lives 2 blocks south of it.  So I take it you have been to Abbots Pizza too?

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I work for a law firm a block South of Ocean Park, on 28th. I haven't been to this Abbot's Pizza because I prepare my lunch everyday. I will check it out though if you recommend it.

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Arshile Gorky was as good a drawer as Picasso was (Picasso was unbelievable), but he chose to paint abstractly. My father was an excellent drawer when he decided to move into abstract. All of the great abstract painters were figurative artists to start. It is an intellectual choice and to say that it is surrendering to a lack of skill is very unfair. Kandinsky painted the first abstract painting and he got the idea to do so because he had a figurative painting in his studio which he happened to glance at upside down. He realized that the thought that went into it to make it a successful painting had nothing to do with what was painted. Yes, there are no dogs or trees or people. But that does not mean they are unorganized. It is not a random process. Good abstract work is as thought out, if not more thought out, than figurative art.

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Art is not about thinking as far as I am concerned. Abstract art is an illusion.

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Art is not about thinking as far as I am concerned. Abstract art is an illusion.

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Yea, I am not quite sure what you mean, either? Do you not think it is unfair to say somebody paints abstractly because they do not have the skills to paint figuratively when in fact they do have the skill and choose not to do figurative work anyway? Do you not feel there is cause to reevaluate your position knowing that artists make that choice? Have you know interest in why that choice was made or have you no interest in at least giving the artist the benefit of the doubt, knowing it is not so simple?

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Yea, I am not quite sure what you mean, either? Do you not think it is unfair to say somebody paints abstractly because they do not have the skills to paint figuratively when in fact they do have the skill and choose not to do figurative work anyway? Do you not feel there is cause to reevaluate your position knowing that artists make that choice? Have you know interest in why that choice was made or have you no interest in at least giving the artist the benefit of the doubt, knowing it is not so simple?

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The artist may have a conscious choice and it may come from bore or urge to feel special and be different. However, it is not the artist but those who say they can understand and see art in what the abstract painters do that I view as liers and charlatans. They just say it because it is socially fashionable. It is an illusion that they have.

 

When someone says about an abstract painting, "I like the colors", I say "Yes, the wallpaper is good and the guy is a fantastic decor designer". But painter? Nope.

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The artist may have a conscious choice and it may come from bore or urge to feel special and be different. However, it is not the artist but those who say they can understand and see art in what the abstract painters do that I view as liers and charlatans. They just say it because it is socially fashionable. It is an illusion that they have.

 

When someone says about an abstract painting, "I like the colors", I say "Yes, the wallpaper is good and the guy is a fantastic decor designer". But painter? Nope.

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I compleatly and entirly disagree.

 

I have tried both realistic paintings and abstract, and let me tell you that it is VERY DIFFICULT to paint a good abstract painting. I do agree that sometimes some abstract paintings are overrated, but many are all worked textures and color mixtures that makes them masterpieces.

 

If you don't believe me, paint yourself abstract paintings and you'll see how difficult it is, there are color mixtures and uses of colors that are really special.

 

Take a look at that painting carefully.

 

http://www.armatner.com/painting%20gallery...an-Genocide.htm

 

Don't you feel anything?

 

Or this one. (take special care to the title Armat gave to that one)

 

http://www.armatner.com/painting%20gallery/pages/Melody.htm

 

 

 

In many cases, it is easy to tell if someone is a fraud, or other time, its only eccentrisism(eccentrisism doesn't only happen in abstract paintings, Dali is not an abstract painter, but is the kind of eccentrics).

 

A masterpieces reflects something new, a style proper to an artist, not really an immitator but someone inventing a new style, just like in science those we remember are those having made new discoveries.

 

I think again, that you will only understand once you start painting abstrait by trying to make something that does not look garbadge, something that you look at, and can't stop looking at it, this is what beautiful is.

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10731#

 

"When I saw this picture (I kept it long time)"

 

Beautiful is what you look at, you are facinated, can't stop yourself to want to look at it again, again, again and again. No matter what is painted, abstract or not.

 

 

 

Another thing I have to remind you, music, is the most abstract art form, harmonies, and everything was invented by man from bottom to top, without any reality realistic representation... but yet! I will tell you that Chopin noctures, or anything Bach, Beethovens are all masterpieces, something that is really beautifull.

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I work for a law firm a block South of Ocean Park, on 28th. I haven't been to this Abbot's Pizza because I prepare my lunch everyday. I will check it out though if you recommend it.

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Dusken, I highly recommend Abbots pizza especially the original on Abbott Kenny drive. Not far from you, but if you cant make it there the one on Pico and I think it is 17th street is good too.

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