Takoush Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 kayin, papu zhamanakov mi 2000 hat kayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) Azat, i didn't have any brothers, so didn't see any to grow up, so can't answer to ur questions, but EVERYBODY'S DADS ARE BUSY WORKING, so this is not an excuse. also can't blame the food and the water U TELL THE ANWSERS TO THAT QUESTIONS, PLEASE, AS U R A MAN, MAYBE EVEN HAVE KIDS, OR HAD BROTHERS, SO CAN TELL US MORE ABOUT IT, OK? As for harut... well, let's hope he was joking, although his last post is telling a different story... but i DID write in this forum, that I AM REALLY BAD AT JOKES! REALLY!!! I AM TOO SERIOUS SOMETIMES, BAD WITH JOKES... eh harut jan... this really amused me: VOCH!!! KANZI YES ARJANI EM AMENALVIN!!!! AMEN MARD ARARAZ ARJANI E AMENALAVIN!!!!! YEV PLYUS AYS AMENIN, YES UNEM AMENALAVIN!!! u can ask EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME!!!!!!!!!! ete arjani chlinei, chei unena yev hasni ayn emenin, vor unem u hasel em, including my sweetheart! baci ayd, harut, mardkanc mej xtrakanutyun chen anum: bari bardik bolori handep el bari en, taktichni mardik bolori handep el taktichni en, xelaci mardik bolori dimac el xelaci en... if u get what i mean... sa arjanii u anarjanii het BACARJAK kap chuni. Anahit: Azat whas simply putting the ball in your lap. He was not so much talking about the weather, the food or whatever; he was simply saying that if Armenian women were smarter they'll bring out Armenian boys to be better and more to their liking. It was a smart way of giving you an answer for putting down their Armenian gender. And you are grossly generalizing. It cannot be that all guys up to say 27 years old are in the same mold you're talking about. If an Armenian girl shows some sweetness, kindness and not all haughtiness and arrogance to a young Armenian guy; she is sure to find out and bring out the best also within the young Armenian guys. All you have to do is lead them in the right direction, btw; sweetness, compassionateness, lots of love and understanding. All of these things will play a lot of good tricks with the young Armenian guys' souls. As for Harut; don't be surprised that he said it differently now. You made him angry with your words and he has now reacted to it, after all he is a man. Show him kindness, love, compassion and understanding and you'll see how sweet he is and will be. These are my two cents. Edited November 27, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) Anahit allow me to answer. I do not have any children as I do not think I can be a good father because I am too devoted to my work and spend too much time there. So I do not know how it feals to raise boys. Nor do I have any brothers. Now about these young punks that you discrib... I live in Glendale and I see these jerks on a daily basis. I'm not saying that Armenian boys/men are angels, but what I'm trying to convey is that we are just like all others. In LA area if you go to Inglewood you will notice black young men who are punks, East LA you will see Latino punks, Gardena you will see Viatnamese and Chinese. And so on... However to us odar young men and actually women who are naughty are sexy and of intrigue and when we see similar behavior from a young Armenian we get offended. And the one thing that drives me off the wall is blanking statements like Armenian young men are x and Armenian women are y. Because majority of us are hard working, family oriented people who try to do good to others and wouldn't hurt a fly.(I think) Now about Harut. dont pay too much attention to his sarcastic comments. He recently moved to Vegas and has not had any good dolma for a while now and lack of dolma can make any Armenian male act weird. Edited November 27, 2005 by Azat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) Now about Harut. dont pay too much attention to his sarcastic comments. He recently moved to Vegas and has not had any good dolma for a while now and lack of dolma can make any Armenian male act weird. Oh Azat jan: You made me laugh so much. Within the past one week I have made dolma now twice and once derevi litsk; and I'll be making another batch of dolma today again. If I knew Harut's address, I would've packed it well and send it to him to Vegas on ice. Edited November 27, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 it really upsets me when i hear comments like the above. I know it is 100% false because Armenian men are like Japanese men, like german men, like Canadians, Swedes, Latinos, chinese, etc... we are all the same. some nice, some a-holes. some smart, someidiots. some good looking, some ugly. etc.. and if the above was true , one must understand that young Armenian men just like all men are looking for one thing and women must like petty and mean spiritted guys if that is the characteristic in men that shows up. The problem is Azat, that Armenian men are fewer in numbers, so Armenian women have fewer options. If some are nice and some are idiots, there are lesser number of Armenian nice men than other men of different nationalities. Personally, I hate that the majority of the students in the Keyboard Studies Department (my department) are Koreans. I've never gotten used to that. I've never gotten used to seeing one or none Armenians in my classes. I've never gotten used to seeing great American guys of European descent who make me feel understood, accepted, happy that we have a common language, music, to express ourselves, yet there are no Armenian guys around to be found. It sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 bayc antaktutyunn u alaniutyunn mer txaneri, cavok srti, voch mi virahatutyun yerbek chi poxi Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Anahit, Do you think Armenian men are such(and let me say again that we are not all a-holes) because of the weather? Or maybe it is the food that we eat that makes us such? Or the water? Or maybe Armenian women raise their boys to be a-holes as the dads are at work most of the time and have much less influence on the young impressionable minds? hmm. lets think about that. It's cultural, influenced by centuries of Muslim dominated neighbors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 He recently moved to Vegas and has not had any good dolma for a while now and lack of dolma can make any Armenian male act weird. That explains a lot of things about me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 (edited) zzzz Edited November 29, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anahit Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Azat, first of all, thanks for your answer. 2nd, i thought about that question, and one reason i could come up with, was: i think armenian girls are TOO NICE TO ARMENIAN GUYS, SO THE GUYS GET SPOILED. i remember myself at school, for example, i'd rather do things against my own wish, than make my classmates or other guys from our yard lose face (u understand what i mean?) and also, they become selfish and spoiled, cause all females of the entire family stand for them. i think i just care too much! the same things done by foreigners don't make me feel as bad as armenians: i just ignore the foreigners (for example, i stay far far away from english, american etc guys who use the "f" word every few seconds), but i can't ignore my own people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Guys guys, don't think armenian girls are all ugly with big noses pweaaase I went to Yerevan, I saw the girls... I fell in love! Veni, Vidi, they Vicci me! All those songs about Yerevani aghchig are not false at all, no no.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Veni, Vidi, they Vicci me! Eloren, too much information! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 They are very smart, some of them exceptionally handsome, mostly they are good fathers and husbands, and I think they're grrrreeeeeaaaaaaatttttttt!!!!!!! That's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! Anahid, you have a bottle of wine from me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 gamavor if I said your the best Armenian guy around well you buy me a nice 50 year old Armenian brandy bro? Anahid jan dont worry to much its Armenian guys like Azat, Harut, who give us a bad name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 gamavor if I said your the best Armenian guy around well you buy me a nice 50 year old Armenian brandy bro? Edo jan, I think you are the best too! PS: I like Sayat Nova 5 stars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 (edited) That's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! Anahid, you have a bottle of wine from me! Gam jan: I'll accept your wine in leu of the best derevi litsk, stuffed pepper and tomatoes (dolma), boughlama, sini kofta, eggplant with meat and vegetables, and let me not forget KHASH prepared by little old me!!! It's a deal! Ed jan: Don't be jealous, of course you're invited too! There won't be any party without you!!! You're the main person to be invited. P.S. I really think you Armenian guys are the best, and it's not because I expect wine or chapagne for what I said. I really meant it. Edited November 30, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigranisbasileus Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Dear Hyers, I fall into the category of an ODAR like you choose to call me, being in a serious relationship with a beautiful girl, which happens to be armenian. I just recently discovered the meaning of the word odar so I find it delightful to see it being tossed around so freely. First, I must state I have the utmost respect for the armenian culture. I believe it to be beautiful, just ilke my girlfriend. I know it must piss off some of you guys to see my girlfriend in love with me and vice-versa. Quite frankly : I believe it not to be your business. If everybody kept to their own, rather than criticize others choices we would be better. Secondly, i believe that the opinoins expressed here are not representative of all armenians. Everybody has a right to their opinions; it only becomes a problem when you impose your opinion on others or make them feel like shit for not agreeong with you. Thirdly, the odar debate is a valid one for the simple reason that this debate is also prevalen in other diaspora groups such aas italians greeks, arabs and jews. In the case of Italians and Greeks, I belive that I can speak being a person who has grown up with italians and of course being greek. We don't have so much the same preoccupation with the preservation of our ethinicity because popular culture advertizes it enough for us. When you opne a history book, you see that the egyptians, romans-italians and greeks and also arabs figure prominently. Identity isn't also a question of how you feel but how aothers perceive you. Unfortunately, armenian culture isn't as well known and I belive it is difficult to sell something which isn't as known: question of brand recongnition: example: It is easier to make someone drive a mercedes than a saab. saabs are great automobiles, yet the brand recognition isn't as good. Having studied the armenian culture and the diapora's attiude towards their culture, I belive a distinction should be made between positive cultural reinforcement and negative. Italians and Greeks have it easier because their cultural isnetity isn't based on fear. These two cultures base their pride on accomplishments and on thier respecitve contributions to western civilization. Per captipa, these two culture have contributed more in all spectres of life to modern western society that most have. It doesn't make them in any way better, just easier to feel an attachement to. Having seen mixed greek and italian couples, the children view themselves as being predominantly of these two cultures due to the fact that western civilization objectively values their contribution and hence makes it easy for those iwht these roots to feel proud. In the case of judaic and armenian cultures, what I have noticed is there is room for positive reinforcement yet for various reasons, a negative reinforcement based cultural identity is dominent amongst the diaspora. I attribute this to various factors: 1- geographical: the armenian nation has being a people in between various famous civilizations: persians, assyrians, babylians and greeks. It is difficult for a culture to grow and prosper when constantly in fear of being assmilated by these strong neighbors. 2- demographical: the dispora was traditionally spead of over various regions of Asia Minor. VEry often, armenians where not in a majority position in any of the major areas. 3- Historical: Armenia, a sovereign republic came to existence late in the game.circa 1991. If like Ialty and Greece, it would have been created in the 19th century it would be stronger today. 4- mass media: Momst even small nations have satellite tv channels which provide a mean for the diapsora to keep in touch with local events in the the homeland. Unfortunately because Armenians have been a diaspora people for a long time they don't see alink between the republic and themselves. 5- Education: Armenian language education is offered in various communities of the world. however, there is big rift between both dialects, which create a cultural rift and create a non uniform language. Mass media can correct this: it has done for hebrew (yiddish not spoken anymore) greek and italian. My point is that there are reasons why you cannot keep a culture based on negative reinforcement. The armenian diaspora for it to survive must adopt models which work: othewise you only create a pride based on guilt: got to marry and keep your culture out of guilt. I must say although that the judaic culture has been able to base its survial on keeping members strong by guilt. So maybe my logic is flawed. Yet, historically, they are the only people that have know adversity of such epic proportion: so it works, but only for them. Also, to their credit theiy have the organisational skills to make it work. I belive that communities around the world should even mimic their organisation. When I read blogs of people saying conversion to armenian, I smile. You must respect people for who they are. You are born a certain way. Out of love, a spouse might choose to let you dominate the cultural upbring of your children, but never think they can renounce who they are. Also armenians that choose to marry odars, like myslf are not traitors. I belive that these chldren from these unions shall be ambassadors of their armenian ancestory. The biggest damage that armenians have done is intermarrying. The best way to publisize the culture is by giving up some of the flock to odars to create bonds with other communities. When I fell on this forum I could not believe what I saw: armenians blasting odars. No man is an island and no culture is an island. Interraction is the key. Whetther this goes as far as intermarriage, well... this for you to decide. As a person of greek descent and dating and armenian girl, it bothers me that people who call themselves armenian, which we have helped, given them houses , citizenship, which in our poor country, we split our bread with, would see us as a threat to the survival or the ARMENIAN RACE. As a people, we shall always help armenians, because you are our brothers...and in the end, to bad if we take your women: because we respect them, and they come willingly....Love is the way...not guilt.... tigranes basileus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 With all due respect I disagree of everything said above! Sorry, my greek friend Maybe you should think twice before saying that "who call themselves armenian, which we have helped, given them houses , citizenship, which in our poor country, we split our bread with, would see us as a threat to the survival or the ARMENIAN RACE.", because WE EARNED THAT! Capish??? Now do me a favor - go preach the "guilt" theories somwhere else! Adios! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigranisbasileus Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 With all due respect I disagree of everything said above! Sorry, my greek friend Maybe you should think twice before saying that "who call themselves armenian, which we have helped, given them houses , citizenship, which in our poor country, we split our bread with, would see us as a threat to the survival or the ARMENIAN RACE.", because WE EARNED THAT! Capish??? Now do me a favor - go preach the "guilt" theories somwhere else! Adios! Armenian race: or Aryan race? You earned what? p.s non puoi dire capish? è capisci! Ok every nation has a right to autodetermination and survival: on this I agree! Oh yeah how did you earn this??? We help armenians out of goodwill; not because we own anything to them or because they earned anything! Based on your theories of earning, how have you earned our help? We help because we want and not because we have to because we know if it wasn't for our history and the value other european odars place on it... we probably would be like.... you get the picture.... in the end...love is stronger than any race...than the armenian one...and maybe , maybe the greek one.... pari kisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 (edited) With all due respect I happen to also disagree with all you said above. Greeks didn't sustain our nation. Yes, the Greek government after the Genocide did take in their country some Armenians and were kind to them; but that doesn't mean that you gave food and shelter to a whole nation. That's a lot of bogus. What Armenians did for themselves they have done it with their own fists, and their own blood. No one but no one does a thing for you. Whatever our nationality has it was done thanks to our brave and heroic man of arms. So please do go and preach your guilt talks somewhere else. I know for fact how fanatic Greeks have been in the past and till now. For goodness sake, Greeks have been one of the most fanatic and self preserving and self loving nationalities. We are not 50+ million people like yourselves. Therefore what I am saying is very valid and crucial for our survival. Like my friend said before me; please do go and preach your views somewhere else. Edited May 20, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Dear Hyers, I fall into the category of an ODAR like you choose to call me, being in a serious relationship with a beautiful girl, which happens to be armenian. I just recently discovered the meaning of the word odar so I, assyrians, babylians and greeks. It is difficult for a culture to grow and prosper when constantly in fear of organisation. ======== When I read blogs of people saying conversion to armenian, I smile. You must respect people for who ====== tigranes basileus Dear Tigranes Barseghian,** Welcome! Kali-spera!*** Ti kanis? Odar? The proper Mashtotsian spelling would be “otar”. I will skip that aspect, if only our own Armenians would know enough to use proper orthography?? Just who is an “odar/otar/alien”? Only if we Armenians knew? Is it the Greek that subscribes to the Greek Orthodox Church? Or, is it Croat that subscribes to the Cathoic Chursh? No, no it is the Serb that subscribes to the Slavic Orthodox. How about the Dane and the Dutch who subscribe to the Protestant Church? The Sunni and Shiite that looks to Mecca? No! Of course not! Armenian Apostolic? What the HELL is that? How many “otars” know about it, and give a ….? Calling all others “otars”? How about all others call us “oidar/otar”?!! Some day we may decide to join the world. Until then WE WILL BE THE ODARS, aliens, extraterrestrial misfits! The world is moving at a nebulous speed. Join it, or it will swoosh past you. And what with this Antelias being our “spiritual center”??? Is it like Glendale, or Stockholm for that matter, being the Capital of Armenia?? So, dear Tignan, don't let anyone intimidate you with word like “odar” by those who don’t even know where their designation of “xrist-os-nia”comes from. Please everybody. GET A LIFE!!! Ephkharisto sas!! ** How does Vasileus transliterate to “barsegh”? V and B are interchangeable as in Vahrma/Bahram/Bagram. Just as the Greek/Latin L becomes GH in the Armenian. As to the R in “Vasil/VaRsel/BaRsegh”?? Who knows? *** Does anyone know where the word “vesper” comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Oh yeah how did you earn this??? We help armenians out of goodwill; not because we own anything to them or because they earned anything! How exactly you helped them? They worked hard to earn whatever they earned in their host countries. You would hardly hear an Armenian priding himself because of helping some non-Armenian to get somewhere. Do you know that there are Greeks in Armenia too? And in the case of the greeks (danaians ), are you sure you don't own something to Armenians? How many times your prists tried to "convert" us into eastern orthodoxy. Were Armenian schools free of political presure in Greece? Aren't you in the bed with the Turks too? You don't need to answer, just read a little bit more. How many Armenians died in the battle field for the sake of Greece and how many Greeks died for Armenia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindGuardian Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 For me Armenian girls were quite nice, but for them my long blond hair were not so hahaha greetings from Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigranisbasileus Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Dear Tigranes Barseghian,** Welcome! Kali-spera!*** Ti kanis? Odar? The proper Mashtotsian spelling would be “otar”. I will skip that aspect, if only our own Armenians would know enough to use proper orthography?? Just who is an “odar/otar/alien”? Only if we Armenians knew? Is it the Greek that subscribes to the Greek Orthodox Church? Or, is it Croat that subscribes to the Cathoic Chursh? No, no it is the Serb that subscribes to the Slavic Orthodox. How about the Dane and the Dutch who subscribe to the Protestant Church? The Sunni and Shiite that looks to Mecca? No! Of course not! Armenian Apostolic? What the HELL is that? How many “otars” know about it, and give a ….? Calling all others “otars”? How about all others call us “oidar/otar”?!! Some day we may decide to join the world. snorhagal'yem Until then WE WILL BE THE ODARS, aliens, extraterrestrial misfits! The world is moving at a nebulous speed. Join it, or it will swoosh past you. And what with this Antelias being our “spiritual center”??? Is it like Glendale, or Stockholm for that matter, being the Capital of Armenia?? So, dear Tignan, don't let anyone intimidate you with word like “odar” by those who don’t even know where their designation of “xrist-os-nia”comes from. Please everybody. GET A LIFE!!! Ephkharisto sas!! ** How does Vasileus transliterate to “barsegh”? V and B are interchangeable as in Vahrma/Bahram/Bagram. Just as the Greek/Latin L becomes GH in the Armenian. As to the R in “Vasil/VaRsel/BaRsegh”?? Who knows? *** Does anyone know where the word “vesper” comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigranisbasileus Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 barseghian: varseghian:vasil-ian, vasil-eus: Kali spera; spera: vespera:vesper gerago; kiriaki we have always been there for you... we have never asked anything of you.... you call us odar.... we call you.... brothers thank you hyers.... the armenians of smyrna thank you also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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