DominO123 Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 BTW, how's my new Avatar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 would someone please kill me. I am going to start giving warnings to those with black boxes for avatars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I visited Walsh's website and read his biography. What was special about him that he got to have "conversations" with God? Isn't it a bit suspicious that as he was living in poverty he suddenly starts having those conversations? What a nice way to make money. <_< style_images/master/snapback.png I don't care much if he really had conversation with God or came up with these on his own, or "took" the ideas from someone else. His books make sence to me and feel close to how I feel about spirituality. I'm not preaching, nor saying that THIS IS THE WAY. It's just one prospective ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I read the first page and put the books away for good.It was given to me by...anyway the reason it sold millions becouse people desperatly want to believe. Sasun if you read even two pages you'll agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 ... and feel close to how I feel about spirituality. I have no argument with how you feel and I do respect it, even though I don't share it. My posts regarding such topics usually revolve around what is known, what is not known, what can be known, and what can't be known. Feelings and faith is not something I would even pretend to understand, let alone try to argue against or for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I don't care much if he really had conversation with God or came up with these on his own, or "took" the ideas from someone else. His books make sence to me and feel close to how I feel about spirituality. I'm not preaching, nor saying that THIS IS THE WAY. It's just one prospective ... style_images/master/snapback.png OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I have never heard of this book, but if you enjoy books of that ilk, check out the books of Emmanuel Swedenborg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I have no argument with how you feel and I do respect it, even though I don't share it. My posts regarding such topics usually revolve around what is known, what is not known, what can be known, and what can't be known. Feelings and faith is not something I would even pretend to understand, let alone try to argue against or for! style_images/master/snapback.png You`re truly a smart guy Sip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 (edited) I have never heard of this book, but if you enjoy books of that ilk, check out the books of Emmanuel Swedenborg. style_images/master/snapback.png Just as an aside - both our children were baptised into the Swedenborgian Church BTW... http://www.wayfarerschapel.org/ Edited January 14, 2005 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I have never heard of this book, but if you enjoy books of that ilk, check out the books of Emmanuel Swedenborg. style_images/master/snapback.png Thank you. I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig9 Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Its one of the most absolute self centered and egotistical books I have read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Its one of the most absolute self centered and egotistical books I have read. style_images/master/snapback.png I agree with you on that part but there are some interesting ideas that one can pick out if it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I visited Walsh's website and read his biography. What was special about him that he got to have "conversations" with God? Isn't it a bit suspicious that as he was living in poverty he suddenly starts having those conversations? What a nice way to make money. <_< style_images/master/snapback.png What is the URL Anoushik, I would like the check it out. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I read the first page and put the books away for good.It was given to me by...anyway the reason it sold millions becouse people desperatly want to believe. Sasun if you read even two pages you'll agree. style_images/master/snapback.png What do you mean Armat? I read the posts on this thread and I must say he makes a lot of sense to me. The only thing I should point out, the language is not articulate enough. Some points I don't understand clearly. Overall, I give a big plus based on this thread alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 My posts regarding such topics usually revolve around what is known, what is not known, what can be known, and what can't be known.style_images/master/snapback.png We know what is known, and we know what we don't know. But how can you tell what can be known and what can't be known? In the past humanity had very little scientific knowledge. Some were curious and brave enough to plunge into the unknown realms, understand and make them known. Had they thought that what is not known is unknowable they would stay in stagnation and ignorance. Now imagine the things that we don't know, and if you say that those things we cannot know, I highly doubt, based on the past experience alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 (edited) Just as an aside - both our children were baptised into the Swedenborgian Church BTW... http://www.wayfarerschapel.org/ style_images/master/snapback.png I just checked the link, Swedenborg too makes a lot of sense to me, after reading the summary of Swedenborgianism. He was a scientist originally and became spiritual and went further ahead in knowledge applying scientific approach in his studies of the Bible. That's a commendable approach, one can never fail with independent study of the Bible, rather than adopting the doctrines shaped out by the official institution of church. Edited January 22, 2005 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I know some Muslims like to see scientific predictions in the Quran. Trouble is that they only see these predictions long after they have happened. In other words, they read into the Quran what they know rather than what people knew when the Quran was written. The same applies to literature in general. No one can know what was in the head of the author. One can only speculate, sometimes with strong evidence, most of the time without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 "We are all the same" ... "we need to remember as opposed to learn" ... etc .. these are far more trivializing and degrading than anything I have said. I really tried to understand this, but could not. Sasun, one thing you have said at some point that I am starting to agre with. If I remember correctly, it was something like "God is within all of us". Except I would rephrase it as "the creator" is within all of us. Our brains are the real creators here. style_images/master/snapback.png There is truth in what you are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I know some Muslims like to see scientific predictions in the Quran. Trouble is that they only see these predictions long after they have happened. In other words, they read into the Quran what they know rather than what people knew when the Quran was written. The same applies to literature in general. No one can know what was in the head of the author. One can only speculate, sometimes with strong evidence, most of the time without. style_images/master/snapback.png I must point out, that is not what I meant by scientific. What I meant is, a scientist knows how to study things, how to be unbiased, reasonable, rational, dispationate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 If I go by your definition of scientific then literary analysis is the last on the list of sciences, if it belongs there at all. I see religious texts, such as the Bible and Quran, the same way as I see Allen Ginsberg and Hovhannes Tumanian. As literature. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing unbiased about reading a literary text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hey you guys!! I have not read every item in this thread, I can think of better conversations, like with Verdi and Beethoven, at least they respond with sound and audio, but judging from this subject topic it seems like some people are having a tete a tete with God, just like Moshe did on Mount Sinai. You know me. I am a cyberklutz as well as a klutz when it comes to electronics. Would somebody do us a huge favor and record the next session. I know it would be too much to ask for a video recording. How about an audio? I have not heard God's voice in a long time. I don't even remember if he speaks with basso voice, tenor, alto or even soprano. How about you sip? Our resident geek :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I have not heard God's voice in a long time. style_images/master/snapback.png OK you'll be hearing it now. Take a sit in your armchair, relax and close your eyes, sweety. Now collect all your soul power dear. Ready? Here we go: GOD: "ARPAAAA, GO SCREW YOURSELF AND THEN DRAWN YOURSELF IN THE RIVERS OF BABILON. THANK YOU ARPAAAA". Over Happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 If I go by your definition of scientific then literary analysis is the last on the list of sciences, if it belongs there at all. I see religious texts, such as the Bible and Quran, the same way as I see Allen Ginsberg and Hovhannes Tumanian. As literature. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing unbiased about reading a literary text. style_images/master/snapback.png Nairi jan, it is not my definition. I have studied science and that's what I have learned. I do agree, reading literature is not science at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 What is the URL Anoushik, I would like the check it out. Thanks. style_images/master/snapback.png Oops, I forgot to give the link. Here it is: http://www.cwg.org/ I just googled his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hey you guys!! I have not read every item in this thread, I can think of better conversations, like with Verdi and Beethoven, at least they respond with sound and audio, but judging from this subject topic it seems like some people are having a tete a tete with God, just like Moshe did on Mount Sinai. You know me. I am a cyberklutz as well as a klutz when it comes to electronics. Would somebody do us a huge favor and record the next session. I know it would be too much to ask for a video recording. How about an audio? I have not heard God's voice in a long time. I don't even remember if he speaks with basso voice, tenor, alto or even soprano. How about you sip? Our resident geek :) style_images/master/snapback.png Arpa, cynicism is NOT the answer to everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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