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and welcome to HF

Well in that case I'll spell it out for you: If you've been to large cities (such as london, or paris etc.) you'll surely have noticed the large number of 'arab' or 'islamist' looking people that make up a significant group of it's citizens. (The fact that the 'indigenous' population looks a certain way is largely irrelevant.) The vast majority of those who look like their 'islamists', may not even be muslims, much less, islamic fundamentalists. "An enemy we can't see" is exactly right - terrorists may be anybody, and as soon as you start screening potential criminals by their racial backgrounds and what they look like, it will become a slippery slope. Ultimately, with racial profiling, we're going to suffer - like it or not, most Armenians are part of visible minority.

Obviously someone has never been to London.

But why harut?

Perhaps you've grasped his point better than I, yet I still maintain that his comparison was crudely phrased, and as a result came across as an unfortunate analogy. Sasun jan, sometimes we disagree, sometimes we agree - but on this point you've summed it up perfectly. Um. No. (Sly? Perhaps....) Armat, don't you think it's easy to just go and blame Islam? I mean it's a small minority of fundamentalists that are the driving force behind what you've referred to as a group phsychosis. And the same parallel can be found amonst the Christian fundamentalists that are (pretty much) ruling your nation. In fact, the real culprits lie on all sides (right or left, Christian or Muslim, etc. etc.) - but they're at the extremes.

Congratulations Mosjan!!! :D You were finally able to import it! I knew you could find a way!

Agreed, but more specifically, i think it's in our interest to have the prospect of Turkey within the EU rather than no chance of them joing the EU. That will serve as (part of) the necessary motive. You're probably right - my anaolgy only went half-way.

Well you have to hand it to the Turks for managing the world's expectations: they're so low that whenever there's even an inch of (perceived) progress, the turks are greeted with praise and congratulations.

kumkap, While I'm in agreement with the crux of the article, I must object to the quotation above that draws a crude (and even false) comparison to the 'Indians'. Would it be ok if Muslims were indeed like 'scattered Indian tribes'? Their annihilation could be justified if only it was easier to carry out? Or perhaps the author feels that what was done to the Indians wasn't as wrong as the warring campaigns against the Islamists today? It is this kind of 'heirarchical' perception that lies (amongst other factors) at the root of such conflicts, and belittling previous barbaric acts with presumptious comparasons certainly isn't going to help our societies 'breed' mutual trust. Otherwise, the article hits the mark - violence (justified or not) begets more violence. It points to a bleak future where the circle of "security/safety" vs. "liberation/terrorism" will only grow until we have to establish gated compounds like the medieval warlords - keep a select few safe/rich and leave the riff-raff and peasantry to fend for themselves. Pretty sad.

Praise? Why should they be praised?? It's the only reasonable thing to do, and it should be expected (not rewarded!). That's like praising some kid for NOT shoplifting. "Atta-boy son, you didn't steal" Those sections of the penal code were completely ridiculous and a violation of basic personal liberties to begin with.

Agreed. It's stupid on both sides of the equation. No positives can come about from these types of actions. No one wins.

Hey hey hey! Bari Taredarts Domino jan! :D Have a great day/night... It's nice weather, so have a beer on a terrasse in the sun for me

But I still have my C64! And it still works great! (the floppies with all my games are another story though - they were never designed to last 20+ years!!!)

Don't worry Domino I'm a little anxious about seeing the DVD myself.

I'm parskahye - one part of my family hails from near Van, not too sure about all the history - no one talks much about this, bu I know some were 're-located' to new julfa, then isfahan, hamadan and tehran. Now I'm in Canada.

Hey! I was away for over a week! Besides, I haven't received it yet - I'm counting on others you know (sometimes they're just slow)

nice sentiment armjan. the thanks should go to Mosjan (and Garo too) for creating this nice space for us.

btw - good job

feature. you have two choices when you first happen upon a poll: 1. Vote, and 2. View Poll (anull vote). If you choose the latter you 'give up' your vote in order to view the results. The idea is that you shouldn't be able to vote once you've seen the results.

Hey I thought all you californians were politically correct! Chilean Sea Bass is amazing & succulent - i've only had the pleasure on a few rare occasions. I tend to avoid it as it is being illegally overfished and will soon be an endangered species (according to the US State Department fact sheet). No matter. Azat, I envy you - that sounds like a fabulous meal!! You'll have to tell us what Robert DeNiro's like in person

That's funny

Agreed Zareh... unsubstanciated, frothing-at-the-mouth hatred makes us look like fanatical fools. Armenians, for the small size of their minority, have a tremendous voice. We should be exploiting that by taking the high ground, and demonstrating strong moral fibre, rather than sabotaging our efforts with Nazi-esque rants, screaming belligerently about some ill-perceived 'TRUTH', making us look like fanatics.

Verginee - when are you going to stop your copy-paste antics? War? Dude, you have a vivd imagination. There is no justification for blind hate on the basis of race. Did you ever stop to think that your views run a striking parallel to those of the actual perpetrators of the AG? You're just like them! Full of hate & loathing, always ready to lash out.... it's quite pathetic. I feel sorry for you. You need some help.

Nice, Armat jan! you lucky dog

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