MJ

quote:Originally posted by naira: I thought you were already helping me out as a veteran skizo. As I have promised in the past - always at your service!

I have already told you enough. You will not get any further replies from me until you satisfy my requests.

I know Vahagn very well. Due to his parents' divorce, his last name was not Hayrapetyan (have forgotten what it was). We have interacted a lot in the old days - he was a closed friend of my cousin, who is another great jazz musician. He is a very talented guy. At the time I new him, he wa about 18, but was already a recognized jazz musician, and one of the best jazz pianists in Armenia. Later he went to Komitas Conservatory Piano Cass. By the way, I have been listening Jarett, lately. He has one large composition in that CD. About 1/3 of tha composition is improvisation on Armenian national motives. I am sure David Azaryan (Dodo) has introduced him to Armenian music.

Here is another lie of your to be exposed. Hakob and Garen Mamigonian have never been banned from this forum. Their membership is active. They have neither been Warned or confronted here in any serious way. As to Iranyar and FarsiSteve, they may apply for membership, and the Administrator will make his determinations. If you are interested in my personal opinion, however, this forum is for mainstream human beings only. Additionally, the explosive behavior of some of the people you try to defend is what has forced us to bring a Code of Conduct together, and exercise the mechanism of Warnings. We have not had that mechanism in the past. Now, until you satisfy my prior requests, let’s stop this polemic.

MR MJ I take responsibility for the things I say, but I'have never seen that I made any allegations or accusations to someone, but you have insulted me several times, without reasons, so I think it is you who should take the responsibility. Here is a partial list: 1. You have refused to take responsibility for your allegations on the persecution of Yezidi in Armenia, you have presented an unsigned document, and later on you have claimed that it is not your opinion, but you are just presenting this material. However, before even presenting that bogus material, you already had made charges; 2. You refused to provide supportive materials from the American Military Archives; 3. You have insinuated anti-Iranian sentiment from my side, however have so far failed to present one evidence per my request; 4. You have claimed that some people have been unfairly banned – the only people that have been banned in this forum, who have not been able to restrain their skin-head and racist rhetoric or have constantly created tension in the forum; 5. You are making another unsubstantiated allegation here that anti-Iranian feelings (which are absent in this forum) are resulted from linguistic arguments. One thing that I have requested on this subject is to bring scientific evidence, in which case, I personally am ready to concede. This all about it; 6. You have alleged anti-Islamic allegations from Armenians in this forum. It is true that there have been some. But they have been rebuffed, and the insinuations of such insults have been warned. Additionally, we have opened a thread on Islam in our forum with the purpose of educating our people in the positive aspects of Islam. Additionally, we are well aware that Armenians coexisting peacefully with Muslim Arabs and Iranians for prolonged periods of times, and we have promoted in this forum an understanding that Armenia’s historic troubles have not been due to religious considerations. 7. Personally, I have zero interest in the linguistic studies related to the Caucasian and other languages. You can have those discussions with whomever is interested in it; 8. You have lied that people have been banned in this forum for cursing Karabekir or Shimon Peres, though I think that cursing is not proper for this forum. We can criticize whomever we want, as long as we bring valid arguments; 9. Yes I have insulted you – for a reason. I have informed you what I would do, when you satisfy my request; 10. Raffiaharonian, Surorus, Berj, and Garo are some of the most honorable and exemplary members of this forum. But they have zero tolerance for skin-heads and people lacking elementary integrity. I can continue, but I have to admit that I don’t enjoy communicating with you.

quote:Originally posted by Tornado: Also what I don't understand is why you didn't give warnings to the people who were insulting Farsisteve/Halfbreed because he was half Armenian, and even approved the actions of many people who for example mr. Raffiaharonian, Surorus, Berj, And even Garo when they were insulting and attacking mr. Iranyar, because he was non-Armenian? But why you give warning to the people who were insulting shimon-Perez or ataturk who even doesn't watch this site? Is this not double moral and unjustice? What a pathetic personality. God help you, young man, because no one else can.

quote:Originally posted by naira: MJ, Is it you or your "evil" twin. What's up? I know that's difficult to stand a "brut" but cool down, man! I don't want you get banned yourself from this forum. Stay cool, please! No Naira, it is genuine me. Don't warry about me, but let's have some fun.

You may say that those insulting messages on Cyberiran were not yours? (even though you are a registered member there, so no one can impersonate you there!) You can check the dates of the messages at CyberIran on my behalf, and check the date of my opening of a profile. If you have elementary logic, you can find out that those messages have been posted before my opening of a profile, which has been done per CyberIran’s Administrator’s advice to prevent further abuse of my online name. Additionally, if you have elementary creativity, since per my request the administrator of CyberIran has made all the IP addresses at his forum public, you can have the identity of the provocateur traced the way I have done it. May I ask why is all these harsh reactions of you towrds me, Farsisteve/Halfbreed and Iranyar? Just for one reason – we have had only three major league degenerates in this forum – the three of you. And if you want me to take my words back, you have to satisfy my request in my previous message. You also indicate to me which issues related to Iran they disagree with me, and what is it that they disagree with regards to Iran that I have said. Then I may introduce some clarifications, because this is an issue beyond of the three degenerates. Btw at the Hayastan board Hakob has said you are a very-smart-Jew! that board was hacked one month ago! http//members3.boardhost.com/Hayastan I told you what to tell to Hakob in my previous posting. As far as you are concerned, that I think you are unimaginably stupid degenerate, who lacks logic, integrity and coherence of argumentations. Dear mr. MJ let's let everyone has his own views, I don't like the idea of banning. I believe in freedom of expression with all? The freedom of expression is granted to everyone. But the freedom implies responsibility. Therefore, I have requested multiple times from you to take responsibility for your declarations. Either you say things that you can support with facts and logic, or you don’t say them. Otherwise, you are just another provocateur. P.S. For now, I will stop this polemic, until you satisfy my request. [ June 10, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

And refusing to provid evidence for your own allegations is frutfull? And did you think that you would come to this forum, spread slenders and unfounded accusations, and expect respectful attitude towards you?

Let’s make a deal. You find one expression of mine in this forum or elsewhere, which implies that hearing the word Iran makes me angry, or you find one derogatory statement or insinuation of mine towards Iran and Iranians, then I will issue myself three Warnings and would have the Administrator ban myself from this forum. Also, have the administrator of CyberIran make a declaration and support his presumed declaration with facts on who he things the provocateur acting on my behalf at CyberIran was. And if I cannot prove the identity of that provocateur I would resign from this forum. Finally, when you see Hakob next time, tell him on my behalf that he is an ass.hole, a pathological coward and a degenerate voyeurist. As far as you are concerned, I call you a liar again, and reserve the right of calling you a mental handicap until you present adequate evidence of validity of your allegations per my request, in which case, I have promised to ban myself from the Hye Forum.

Young man, I don't need to read the American Military Archives. To the contrary, if you are making allegations, and you expect credibility, it is your duty to support whatever you allege, when requested. And, so far, I haven't come across one clear statement from you.

This is the second time I have to call you a liar.

quote:Originally posted by naira: I did not arrived yet to that degree of skizo-frinea...but I'm doing my best to get some good points in that direction. Let me know if I can help you.

Tornado, Isn’t it time that you stop making allegations for which you cannot stand? First of all, please refer us to the American source, which claims that Armenian “rebels” have had training camps in Northern Iran. Second, give us a rationale as how and why on the earth Armenians would’ve needed training camps in Iran – especially in the Azerbaijani province of Iran? Can you also illuminate us which tactics of Armenian “rebels” (and I resent the usage of the term “rebels,” since Armenians of Karabagh have not “rebelled,” but have rather engaged in National Liberation straggle) have been similar to those of the Iranian irregular army? Also, is it possible that all irregular Armies have share common elements and tactics? Third, it is well established, and there is no secret about the fact that both Armenian and Azerbaijani sides have been armed by Russian arms, and some of the officers of Armenian Army have been trained, naturally, in the former Soviet Military. The absolute majority of the Armenian officers and solders have been trained in action in the fields of battles. Finally, what was this you were saying about the Culture? Could you articulate your thoughts more clearly?

Paul, You have sent me a private message, however I cannot reply to you due to your settings. You don't allow receiving private messages. If you want me to reply, go to Profile, and edit it to allow the feature.

quote:Originally posted by Paul bunyan: MJ, islamic in disaspora how? if the Armenian people ever wise up and do what the goverment should do but won't repeal the anti-Protestant, anti-Catholic fascist laws they would get Christians from Iran Iraq and other oppressive regions and from America to replace those many who have left Armenia the future of Armenia rests on their shoulders Paul, I have to admit that statement of mine was wrong by being too generalizing, and I apologize for it. The correct statement would be that a very significant part of Armenian Diaspora, actually, the population of Armenia, too, have significant Islamic elements in their everyday life. As to the anti-protestant and anti-catholic laws in Armenia, I don't know anything about it, I don't thing there are such laws in Armenia, and I don't thing the abolishment of those (non-existing as I claimed) laws can in any way promote flow of Armenians to Armenia. I think that flow may be guaranteed only through economic development of Armenia.

I don’t know of many provocateurs in CyberIran. I know of one. And I also know who that person is, or better to say, now, was. That issue has been resolved due to our joint efforts with the administrator of CyberIran. That person is facing the consequences of his actions, currently. But I am not a moderator of CyberIran, and the other provocations are not my concerns, as much as I may sympathies the good people of CyberIran. I would also appreciate if you don’t give us lectures on national security. I have already urged you once to be more ethical. And since you make an insinuation of me hating Iran and more, show me one expression of mine, which indicates that hate. Also, at the risk of violating the Code of the Conduct of our forum, for which I am ready to be issued a Warning, I have to tell you: Sir, I think you are an idiot, and there is not much that can be done about it – it’s too late. [ June 10, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

Paul, it is so hard to read your materials. Could you use at least some punctuation, please?

Dear Paul, The Christianity in Armenia is more of a declarative phenomenon than real. I think we have to distinguish two understandings of the term Culture. As far as the Armenian Cultural-Intellectual-Philosophical thought is concerned, yes, indeed it is built on Christian foundations. However, if we think of it as a way of living and dealing with the everyday issues of life, Armenian culture is more of a mix of pagan and Islamic cultures – more pagan in Armenia, and more Islamic in Diaspora. And I don’t put to much stock in this notion of Armenia being the first Christian nation, btw. [ June 09, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

quote:Originally posted by Tornado: I just wanted to say that now i am with agroup of Iranians, both Armenians and moslems, and no one thinks that Armenia is as important to Iran as Iran is to Armenia. I personally think that the relationship between Iran and Armenia is assymetric in favor of Armenia. beside that you should take the size and powers of both countries in to acount, there are certain realities which make the stronger states different in the international politics than the smaller ones. So even ehat you say equa neigour is not a real issue, and what is strange now is that a small state is more benefitting from the reationship, the bigger state doesn't need at all.This relationship may have some little benefits for the Iranian governemnt , but nothing for the Iranian citizens. The ordinary Iranian people have peace with this idea, and now yet you say they are not trustable? But the interesting thing is that we have not come to an Iranian forum to promote our importance to Iran, but you have come here to promote Iran's importance to us (and I suspect its superiority). Is there something unsettling in all this, you think? Can I also ask what are you trying to accomplish in this forum? [ June 09, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

quote:Originally posted by naira: Yeah, what about Pinochet? We invited him, too. But he said: "Either me or Naira." So we chose you.

Which part of it is "western," Poetry? It seems to be the original version. Besides, what is this "western-eastern?"

He is a member of our forum.

Don't worry about that, Sourenovich. You are welcome and accepted.

Probably. Read the material without signature which is posted in this thread about the treatment of Yezidis in Armenia, or see the same material in the "Religion repression" thread, which is posted by me.