MJ

Based on the written heritage of the Armenian language, it would be reasonably accurate to claim that Armenian language, starting from Grabar, has sustained a couple of evolutions - from Grabar to Western Armenia to Eastern Armenian. It is absolutely obvious that Western Armenian, while having beautiful musical qualities is an underdeveloped media of communication. First of all, its structure is blurry. Secondly, compared to the written heritage left behind by the Eastern Armenian writers, Western Armenian written heritage is miniscule. Furthermore, practically no serious linguists have worked on Western Armenian language with the purpose f its crystallization and purification. Western Armenian language is as contaminated with foreign influences and vocabulary as the contemporary Eastern Armenian is (I would in fact claim more contaminated.) It is obvious that there is no serious [at least written] heritage to be passed to the future generations through Western Armenian. Obviously, all textbooks - be them of educational or scientific character - would be written in Armenian - perhaps with rare exceptions of some isolated books written in Western Armenian for the sake of making a statement. Furthermore, outside the Istanbul [dialect if you wish] Western Armenian is a total disaster. Furthermore, it has never happened in the history of communication of human kind, as much as I can think of it, that the history has been moved back. Therefore, the insinuations that Western Armenian language might have a claim on becoming the universal media of communication for Armenians are not only dubious and ill-researched but lack basic seriousness. As far as the "Armenian Unity" is concerned, common language (or if you wish dialect) does not lead to a unified nation. Millions of people around the world share common language but not a common identity. The unity starts and the doors of a common homeland. This is what prevents Armenian Unity to a degree that it is meaningful - majority of the people of Armenian ethnicity have neither homeland nor a desire to have one. They just find it convenient to hide their lack of feeling of homeland through the hypothesization (forgive my French) of the concept of homeland.

I recall at various occasions the issue of who sends what kind of help to Armenia and what is Diaspora’s protion in it has been discussed in this forum (don't remember where it was.) I hope that the below material may provide some adequate perspectives on the subject and explain why the contributions of “Hayastantcies” are not much visable in various “telethones.” ____________________________________________________________________ ARMENIAN CASH REMITTANCES UP IN 2003 By Atom Markarian The amount of cash sent home by Armenians working abroad -- the main source of hard currency for their economically struggling country -- is on track to grow by nearly 20 percent this year, a senior finance official said on Wednesday. Tigran Sarkisian, chairman of Armenia’s Central Bank, said their estimated total is likely hover between $450 million and $500 million, a figure close to the nation’s state budget and trade deficit in 2002. Russia and other large former Soviet republics continue to account for most of the remittances increasingly handled by local commercial banks, he added. Ever since the post-Soviet economic collapse plunged Armenia into poverty in the early 1990s the cash transfers have been the principal source of income for tens of thousands of Armenian families whose main bread-winners went abroad in search of employment. Most of them now work, both legally and illegally, in Russia and the United States. Their money plays a crucial role in mitigating Armenia’s huge trade and current account deficits. The country’s net imports, for instance, were worth twice as much as its exports in the first half of this year, resulting in a trade gap of about $300 million. Incidentally, Sarkisian was speaking at the official opening of a new Yerevan head office of Areximbank, one of several Armenian banks for which the remittances are a key source of earnings. Areximbank, which is owned by wealthy Russian-based Armenians, has already processed more than $60 million worth of hard currency payments from Russia in 2003. According to the Central Bank chief, commissions charged for such services have considerably dropped in recent years as a result of growing competition among the local banks specializing in the business. “It is the bank clients that mainly benefit from that competition,” he said. http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniarepor...D3C03075B49.ASP

Me too, Me too...

“Global Warming” is recorded on Mars. Must be there is oil on Mars and the blood sucking greedy alien capitalists have been poluting the environment there (surely this must be a Republican conspiracy.) But, most importantly, this must finally prove the existence of life on Mars. Mars Emerging from Ice Age, Data Suggest Tue Dec 9, 4:04 PM ET By SPACE.com, SPACE.com Scientists have suspected in recent years that Mars might be undergoing some sort of global warming. New data points to the possibility it is emerging from an ice age. NASA (news - web sites)'s Mars Odyssey orbiter has been surveying the planet for nearly a full Martian year now, and it has spotted seasonal changes like the advance and retreat of polar ice. It's also gathering data of a possible longer trend. There appears to be too much frozen water at low-latitude regions -- away from the frigid poles -- given the current climate of Mars. The situation is not in equilibrium, said William Feldman of the Los Alamos National Laboratory. "One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age," Feldman said. "In some low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated. In others, that process is slower and hasn't reached an equilibrium yet. Those areas are like the patches of snow you sometimes see persisting in protected spots long after the last snowfall of the winter." Frozen water makes up as much as 10 percent of the top 3 feet (1 meter) of surface material in some regions close to the equator. Dust deposits may be covering and insulating the lingering ice, Feldman said. Feldman is the lead scientist for an Odyssey instrument that assesses water content indirectly through measurements of neutron emissions. He and other Odyssey scientists described their recent findings today at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. "Odyssey is giving us indications of recent global climate change in Mars," said Jeffrey Plaut, project scientist for the mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. High latitude regions of Mars have layers with differing ice content within the top 20 inches (half-meter) or so of the surface, researchers conclude from mapping of hydrogen abundance based on gamma-ray emissions. "A model that fits the data has three layers near the surface," said William Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson, team leader for the gamma-ray spectrometer instrument on Odyssey. "The very top layer would be dry, with no ice. The next layer would contain ice in the pore spaces between grains of soil. Beneath that would be a very ice-rich layer, 60 to nearly 100 percent water ice." Boynton interprets the iciest layer as a deposit of snow or frost, mixed with a little windblown dust, from an era when the climate was colder than nowadays. The middle layer could be the result of changes brought in a warmer era, when ice down to a certain depth dissipated into the atmosphere. The dust left behind collapsed into a soil layer with limited pore space for returning ice. More study is needed to determine for sure what's going on. Other Odyssey instruments are providing other pieces of the puzzle. Images from the orbiter's camera system have been combined into the highest resolution complete map ever made of Mars' south polar region. "We can now accurately count craters in the layered materials of the polar regions to get an idea how old they are," said Phil Christensen of Arizona State University, Tempe, principal investigator for the camera system. Temperature information from the camera system's infrared imaging has produced a surprise about dark patches that dot bright expanses of seasonal carbon-dioxide ice. "Those dark features look like places where the ice has gone away, but thermal infrared maps show that even the dark areas have temperatures so low they must be carbon-dioxide ice." Christensen said. "One possibility is that the ice is clear in these areas and we're seeing down through the ice to features underneath." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&cid=96&ncid=96&e=2&u=/space/20031209/sc_space/marsemergingfromiceagedatasuggest

I think with all answers provided, this issues has exhasuted itself.

Truly terrible coutry ... Psychiatrists are incompetent ... Edited by Sasun

ARMENIAN LANGUAGE IS ENDANGERED Parliament has today discussed the “Law on the Armenian Language” and the issues on protecting the Armenian in general. Parliament’ Committee on Science, Education, Culture and Youth held special parliamentary hearings on the problem. The scientists, teachers and intellectuals present for the discussion shared the opinion that ”Law on the Armenian Language” is rather liberal and some amendments to it are needed. Besides, a state approach is necessary to preserve the Armenian, which is now in catastrophic situation. It’s not so easy since everyone even MPs speak bad Armenian. http://www.a1plus.am/eng/

No. But I cry now when I observe our modern day Giughatci Hambos (in the broader sense of the word) direct their only 'sons' towards the path of extinction.

(Saturday, December 8) “Haykakan Zhamanak” and “Aravot” underline Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Trubnikov Friday reference in Baku to “the occupation by Armenia of a part of Azerbaijan's territory.” Both pro-opposition dailies says this was the first time a Russian official made such statements in public and suspect a pro-Azerbaijani tilt in Moscow’s Artsax policy. “I don’t think that something particularly new should be expected from the [OSCE Minsk Group] co-chairs’ visit,” Republican Party leader Galust Sahakian tells “Hayots Ashkhar.” Hrair Karapetian, a senior parliament deputy from another governing party, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun), dismisses as “baseless” media speculation that the mediators may come up with a phased solution to the conflict during their latest trip. Mher Shahgelgian of the third coalition party, Orinats Yerkir, also believes that the mediators are unlikely to draft proposals that would “shake” the political establishments of Armenia and Azerbaijan. But according to opposition leader Vazgen Manukian, Armenia should not anticipate anything better from the Minsk Group after this year’s fraudulent presidential and parliamentary elections. Manukian tells “Haykakan Zhamanak” that international criticism of the elections damaged Armenia’s international standing and can not fail to have corresponding repercussions for the Artsax peace process. Commenting on domestic politics, Manukian derides President Kocharian’s attacks on the Armenian opposition that followed the dramatic regime change in Georgia. “Haykakan Zhamanak” carries on its front page an excerpt from late Prime Minister Vazgen Sarkisian’s 1999 interview in which he warned against any attempts to give Armenia’s Meghri region to Azerbaijan as part of a possible peace deal on Artsax. “Meghri is more important than any other thing,” Sarkisian said at the time, adding that the region bordering Iran makes Armenia a significant player in the eyes of the world’s leading powers. “If you give away Meghri, you will mix your blood with petrol that will not poison but blow up your brain,” he warned figuratively. “I am warning that Meghri will one day explode in the center of Yerevan.” But as the deputy speaker of the Armenian parliament, Tigran Torosian, says, some of the challenges facing Armenia are even more pressing than the issues of Meghri and Artsax. “I am convinced that Meghri will not be at issue,” Torosian says. “But I am not convinced that if we put aside the question of Meghri and even if the Artsax issue is resolved and the nearby districts are united with Armenia, our future will be secured.” (Vache Sarkisian) http://www.armenialiberty.org/press/press/...9CC3713F3C5.ASP

Iraqi Colonel: WMD Could've Been Launched in 45 Minutes Sunday, December 07, 2003 Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and his army was capable of firing them off in less than 45 minutes, according to statements from an Iraqi colonel. Lt. Col. al-Dabbagh told the London Telegraph that cases of WMD warheads were shipped under cover of darkness to front-line units, including his own, near the end of 2002, in a report published in Sunday editions. In September of 2002 the British government published a controversial intelligence report on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, claiming WMD could be launched within 45 minutes. Al-Dabbagh said he believed he was the source of the claim, which was widely criticized as being a ploy by British Prime Minister Tony Blair to gain support for military action in Iraq. "I am the one responsible for providing this information," al-Dabbagh, 40, told the Telegraph when shown the dossier. "It is 100 percent accurate." "Forget 45 minutes, we could have fired these within half-an-hour," he was quoted as saying. Al-Dabbagh told the paper that the weapons were Iraqi-manufactured and were designed to be launched from hand-held rocket-propelled grenades. Whether the weapons contained biological or chemical agents was not made clear by al-Dabbagh, the report said. Iraqi military commanders could use the weapons only on the personal orders of Saddam, al-Dabbagh told the paper, adding: "We were told that when the war came we would only have a short time to use everything we had to defend ourselves, including the secret weapon." So why weren't the weapons launched against the allied forces encroaching on Iraq? Al-Dabbagh said the majority of the Iraqi army did not want to fight for Saddam. "The West should thank God that the Iraqi army decided not to fight," he told the paper. "If the army had fought for Saddam Hussein and used these weapons there would have been terrible consequences." http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_st...,105086,00.html

Sip, In what country that kind of kid would not be disadvantaged? Take someone from Canada, for example... BTW, in my neighborhood several permanent homeless people hang around. They are part of the landscape. They definitely are homeless by choice, and meantime, make good wages on the street... better than some who work in the businesses around make. Overall, they seem to be very happy people. And surely, if they wanted to go to a shelter, there is one for them. They get social security benefits, they get money from the by passers, frequently they enter the local restaurants and get free food just so that they don't frighten their customers and so on. Overall they even save money. This is the reality. It is harder for a regular employed person to save money. There are also those of course who are homeless not by choice... in every reality and every country.

Thinking and speaking 1) I walked into a hair salon with my husband and three kids in tow and asked loudly, "How much do you charge for a shampoo and a blow job?" I turned around, walked back out, and never went back. My husband didn't say a word... he knew better. 2) I was at the golf store comparing different kinds of golf balls. I was unhappy with the women's type I had been using. After browsing for several minutes, I was approached by one of the good-looking gentlemen who works at the store. He asked if he could help me. Without thinking, I looked at him and said, "I think I like playing with men's balls." 3) My sister and I were at the mall and passed by a store that sold a variety of nuts. As we were looking at the display case, the boy behind the counter asked if we needed any help. I replied, "No, I'm just looking at your nuts." My sister started to laugh hysterically, the boy grinned, and I turned beet-red and walked away. To this day, my sister has never let me forget. 4) While in line at the bank one afternoon, my toddler decided to release some pent-up energy and ran amok. I was finally able to grab hold of her after receiving looks of disgust and annoyance from other patrons. I told her that if she did not start behaving "right now" she would be punished. To my horror, she looked me in the eye and said in a voice just as threatening, "If you don't let me go right now, I will tell Grandma that I saw you kissing Daddy's pee-pee last night!" The silence was deafening after this enlightening exchange. Even the tellers stopped what they were doing. I mustered up the last of my dignity and walked out of the bank with my daughter in tow. The last thing I heard when the door closed behind me were screams of laughter. 5) A lady picked up several items at a discount store. When she finally got up to the checker, she learned that one of her items had no price tag. Imagine her embarrassment when the checker got on the intercom and boomed out for the entire store to hear, "PRICE CHECK ON LANE THIRTEEN, TAMPAX SUPER SIZE." That was bad enough, but somebody at the rear of the store apparently misunderstood the word "Tampax" for "THUMBTACKS." In a business-like tone, a voice boomed back over the intercom. "DO YOU WANT THE KIND YOU PUSH IN WITH YOUR THUMB OR THE KIND YOU POUND IN WITH A HAMMER?" 6) Have you ever asked your child a question too many times? My three-year-old son had many problems with potty training and I was on him constantly. One day we stopped at Taco Bell for a quick lunch in between errands. It was very busy, with a full dining room. While enjoying my taco, I smelled something funny, so of course, I checked my seven-month-old daughter, and she was clean. Then I realized that Danny had not asked to go potty in a while, so I asked him if he needed to go, and he said "No." I kept thinking, "Oh Lord, that child has had an accident, and I don't have any clothes with me." Then I said, "Danny, are you SURE you didn't have an accident?" "No," he replied. I just KNEW that he must have had an accident, because the smell was getting worse. Soooooo! I asked one more time, "Danny, did you have an accident?" This time he jumped up, yanked down his pants, bent over, spread his cheeks, and yelled. "SEE MOM, IT'S JUST FARTS!!" While 30 people nearly choked to death on their tacos laughing, he calmly pulled up his pants and sat down. An old couple made me feel better by thanking me for the best laugh they'd ever had! 7) This had most of the state of Michigan laughing for 2 days and a very embarrassed female news anchor that will, in the future, likely think before she speaks. What happens when you predict snow but don't get any....a true story... We had a female news anchor who, the day after it was supposed to have snowed and didn't, turned to the weatherman and asked: "So Bob, where's that 8 inches you promised me last night?" Not only did HE have to leave the set, but half the crew did too they were laughing so hard!

Voch Movses... Hima durs em galis hatjeli zhamanak antskatcnelu - aisor eghanake arden takatcel e. Parzapes mets apsosank em zgum vor ais Forume astitjanabar veratsvum e agresive anvorakutian....

I make a statement??? Misfit, you are the one who has made false statements here, not me. It is your obligation to back it up. Instead, you require that I post here your false reference so that you can see if you were right or not? If this is not indicative of your "anvorakutiun," (speaking in Armenian) what else is? As to the rest of your diarrhea, as much as I can see, you are at the receiving end of your repugnant past, or as they say, whatever you have planted, that's what you are harvesting now. Isn't it so?

This guy is hopeless...

I don't know how much else is there to explain. Anytime one makes reference on a specific passage, it is assumed that there has to be at least some basis for such reference unless of course one expects that no one would check it or challange. Now, I understand that some of your information is secret and is based on some scripts that none of us have seen, the other part is stored in the basement of your "Beyrutsi" wife, and yet some may be based on "modern DNA technologies.” I just wonder if you ever are going to stop making bombastic statements without ever backing them up or referring to obscure sources which only the “privilidged” people like you may have access to?

As I had promised: "The organizational structure of the Armenian Church since 1915 has evaporated into thin air, with only a semblance of traditional church remaining," says Revd. Dr. Nerses (Vrej) Nersessian, the priest of one of the London based Armenian Churches and a curator at the British Library. He goes further to say, " In the tenth century, Khosrov, who became bishop of the province of Anjewatseats, was the father of the famous mystic poet Grigor Narekatci and his two brothers Sahak and Yovhannes. Khachatour Shnorhali, elected to the bishopric of Kars, was a married priest. In the colophons of Armenian manuscripts we have firsthand evidence that, up to the end of the 16th century, priests had the opportunity to rise through the ranks of the orders by merit. 1. Konstandin Catholicos Vahakatsi (1430-1439) has a manuscript of the Four Gospels (Jerusalem no. 251), in which he has a memorial, stating, "remember in your holly prayers Ter Konstandin and my parents Vasil and Tirouhi and my lawful wife Marioun and son Akob, who at the age of ten departed unto Christ, bringing sorrow and sadness for I have no one else to comfort me in this world, except Christ, who is the sole comforter of the souls and bodies of the living and the dead. 2. Abraham Patriarch of Jerusalem (1445-1454). In a manuscript (Jerusalem no. 1863) written from him, he says, 'Oh dear fathers, when reading [this book], remember in your prayers the great Khatoun, the last owner of this, the eretskin of Abraham erets [i.e. married priest].' Further on, the colophon continues, 'I am Ter Abraham, a bishop who received this book as memorial to me and my parents and all blood relations, and the great Khatoun, who paid for its copying." 3. Another manuscript (Jerusalem no. 256) belonging to Bishop Vasil has a colophon, which records 'and this was copied on the orders of bishop Vasil, who received it through his honest earnings as memorial for himself and his wife Taniay and sons Khachatur and Step'anos [and daughter] Hripsime.' I have already spoken about Khrimian Hairik and Catholicos Gevorg VI. Further, Revd. Nersessian says, " Marriage, like ordination, is one of the seven holly sacraments. The New Testament and the Church Fathers make it abundantly clear that, while the state of celibacy is advisable for certain types among the clergy in certain circumstances, the state of marriage is, in no way, impure or inferior or discreditable. ...."

I have no idea what semantics you are referring to, but what you have posted above is pure demagogary not shedding a sligh light even on what Marxism is about. Edited by Sasun

What a pathetic misrepresentation...

So that not to turn this thread, too, into demogogary and give at least minimally meaningful answer to your rhetoric question, could you layout on a half a page the most fundamental tenets of Marxism, and then we can go from there?

Marx was not Marxist in the contemporary sense of that term either, nor he laied down the foundations of communism. He just came up with the first systematic but most rudimentary economic theory.

Aram Manukian. Seriously.

Thanks, I am done.

That is another random thought in the vacuum of the Universe where the substance is illusion...