A.R.

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Did your teacher also tell you that Jews helped point out Armenians to the Turks during the Armenian Genocide? I can show you proof that Jews helped point out Armenians to the Turks during the Armenian Genocide can you show me proof that Armenians pointed out Jews to the Nazis? The Arabs, Assyrians and Ethopians are Semites to, so there is no way I can be a "Anti Semite". [ April 12, 2002, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

YeeeeeeeeeeHAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW Great Job Brother Kenneth V. Hachikian!! [ April 12, 2002, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

Armenian National Committee of America 888 17th Street, NW, Suite 904 Washington, DC, 20006 Tel. (202) 775-1918 Fax (202) 775-5648 E-mail: anca@anca.org Internet: <http://www.anca.org/>http://www.anca.org PRESS RELEASE Contact: Elizabeth S. Chouldjian April 11, 2002 Tel: (202) 775-1918 ANCA CALLS ON AIPAC TO CLARIFY POSITION ON U.S. RECOGNITION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE -- New York Times, Jerusalem Post Report that American Jewish Lobby Worked Against 2000 Armenian Genocide Resolution WASHINGTON, DC - In the wake of published reports in the New York Times and Jerusalem Post that the Jewish American lobby worked against passage of the Congressional Armenian Genocide Resolution, the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) has formally called upon the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the leading Jewish American advocacy organization, to clarify its position on U.S. recognition and commemoration of the Armenian Genocide. The Jerusalem Post (Turkish PM Accuses Israel of "Genocide") reported on April 7th: "Jewish-American lobbies played a key role in stopping a Congressional bill foreseeing an Armenian genocide law." Two days later, the New York Times (With a Word, Israeli- Turkish Strain Surfaces) wrote: "American Jewish organizations have lobbied on Turkey's behalf against attempts by Armenian-Americans to have the killing of Armenians between 1915 and 1921 in Turkey declared a genocide." In an April 11th letter to AIPAC President Tim Wuliger, ANCA Chairman Kenneth Hachikian underscored the depth of concern within the Armenian American community concerning these reports. He offered the AIPAC leadership an opportunity to clarify to the Armenian American community their actions concerning the Armenian Genocide Resolution in the 106th Congress and to communicate their position on U.S. recognition and commemoration of the Armenian Genocide. Hachikian offered the ANCA's cooperation to AIPAC in working to improve Armenian-Jewish relations that have been strained in recent years by the opposition of many Jewish American community groups to Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act, as well as by statements by the Israeli Foreign Minister and other senior Israeli officials denying the Armenian Genocide. He also noted the April 10th shooting of Armenian sub-deacon Armin Sinanian, apparently by Israeli forces, during fighting in and around Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity. For more information on AIPAC, visit: http://www.aipac.org The full text of the ANCA letter to AIPAC is provided below. ##### ================================================================ Text of ANCA 4/11/02 letter to AIPAC ================================================================ April 11, 2002 Timothy Wuliger President American Israel Public Affairs Committee 440 1st Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 Dear Mr. Wuliger: I am writing in regard to recent articles in the New York Times and the Jerusalem Post that report that the Jewish American lobbies played a key role in stopping the Congressional Armenian Genocide resolution in October of 2000. The Jerusalem Post ("Turkish PM Accuses Israel of 'Genocide,'" April 7, 2002) notes that: "American Jewish lobbies, known for their support of Turkey in the face of Armenian and Greek lobbies in Washington, are preparing to voice their concerns to Turkey. They reportedly delivered a message to the Turkish Embassy in Washington decrying Ecevit's statements. They added that the comments are particularly unseemly in consideration of their attempts to defend Turkey from Armenian claims of genocide, and in light of the Jewish genocide suffered at the hand of the Nazis. Last year, Jewish-American lobbies played a key role in stopping a Congressional bill foreseeing an Armenian genocide law, urging US authorities to allow arms sales for Turkey." The New York Times ("With a Word, Israeli-Turkish Strain Surfaces," April 9, 2002) writes that "The friendship [between Turkey and Israel] has multiplied Turkey's influence in Washington. The pro-Israeli lobby argued Turkey's case for increased international financial aid. American Jewish organizations have lobbied on Turkey's behalf against attempts by Armenian-Americans to have the killing of Armenians between 1915 and 1921 in Turkey declared a genocide." Armenian Americans are, of course, deeply troubled by these news accounts. We want, however, as a matter of fairness, to offer your organization, as the leading advocate for the Jewish American community, an opportunity to issue an unambiguous public denial that your organization was in any way involved in efforts against the adoption of an Armenian Genocide Resolution in the 106th Congress. We would also welcome an explanation of AIPAC's stand on the recognition and commemoration of the Armenian Genocide. We believe that a clarification of your position on the Armenian Genocide Resolution is particularly important in light of recent developments that could, if not handled in a positive manner, damage Armenian-Jewish relations that have already been strained by the opposition of many Jewish American community groups to Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act. Among these developments are the April 10th shooting of an Armenian sub-deacon during Israeli Defense Force action in Bethlehem, and the controversy this February surrounding the refusal of Rivka Kohen, the Israeli Ambassador to Armenia, to recognize the Armenian Genocide. The latter episode, as you may recall, was further compounded by an offensive statement from the Israeli Foreign Ministry that Israel does not consider the "tragedy of the Armenians" to be a genocide. I look forward to your response and the opportunity to work with you to advance our shared interest in improving the state of Armenian-Jewish relations. Thank you for your consideration of this matter. Sincerely, Kenneth V. Hachikian Chairman cc: Armenian American media and community organizations enclosures

I don`t care about the 6%, majority rules. There are 2000 Jews in Armenia and as long as they keep there mouths shut I have no problem with them being there and the rest are Muslims and Pagans. One more thing, I demand the Jewish Rabbi in Turkey go to the Armenian Church on his hands and knees and beg for forgivness for what the Jews did to Armenians. The Jews made the Pope beg for forgivness just because the Catholic Church was quiet about the "Jewish holocaust." Jews helped Turks murder Armenians during the Genocide so let them come and beg for forgivness. [ April 12, 2002, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

Thank God people like you do not run Armenia. There would be another Genocide with your BS "Turks and Jews are our friends." Fool us once shame on you fool us twice shame on us. Armenians have no room for error. Turks and Jews are the enemies of Armenia and Armenians must never forget that. We thought the Turks and Jews were our friends once and we almost got wiped off the face of the Earth. You go make friends with Turks and Jews and you TARC BS but a Majority of Armenian 95% will never fall for the Turkish/Jewish trap again. No Justice No Peace. They want to finish what they started in 1915. Israel gives Turkey and Azerbaijan weapons and if a war starts those weapons will be used against Armenia. Why is Israel giving weapons to Azerbaijan? That sounds more like a enemy than a friend to me. Your logic is finished! Armenians will not allow there to be another Genocide. We will NEVER be caught off guard again! Russia is a true friend of Armenia! Turkey, Israel and Azerbaijan are the enemies of Armenia. It was the Turks who were dancing on the streets when the Armenian Earthquake hit Armenia. It is the Israelis who are destroying the Church Of Nativity. It is the Jews who helped Turks murder Armenians during the Genocide. It is the Israelis who shot Armin Sinanian a Armenian Monk. It is the Jews who crushed the Armenian Genocide resolution in congress. It is Israel{Peres} who said the Armenian Genocide is "meaningless." So go peddle your goods somewhere else Armenians are not buying any of it. I told you Armenian Blood is not Cheap. I don`t care what you or anyone else on this forum thinks of me. Every Armenian I know thinks the same as me. Every Armenian I know loves Jesus and Christianity. 94% of Armenians in Armenia are CHRISTIAN. We Obey Jesus and The Armenian Church. Our loyalty is to Jesus and The Armenian Church. We will NEVER forgive and never Forget until we have justice for the 1.5 Million Martyers. We will Never Forgive and Never Forget until the Holy MT Ararat is back in the arms of the Motherland. Every Inch of Armenian land must be back in the arms of the Motherland. Greater Armenia is our dream and Lord Willing it will become a reality. Your "slave mentality" is your own doing. [ April 12, 2002, 02:22 AM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

More Lies From Hagarag, "agenda to exterminate the Jews?" Its The Turks and Jew who tried to exterminate the Armenians with 1. 5 million Armenians slaughtered not the other way around. 1/2 Arab? No, 100% Armenian but you are 1/2 Jew just like Domino. You will not silence me no matter how hard you try with your childish insults. I obey the forum rules and I`am here to stay.

One Question, Are you Armenian? Yes Or No

“In the contemporary world there are two nations that are the carriers of evil of the most concentrated and ag-gressive type. These are the Jews – the nation-destroyer with a mission of destruction and decomposition, and the Turks – the nation-killer with a mission of devastation and crushing.” Roman Yepiskoposyan Author of the Armenian Book " National System"

I will make sure I do not break any forum rules I know you are trying to bait me to try and get me banned. Your threats against me scare no one Domino. [ April 12, 2002, 01:19 AM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

A.R. wants Armenian troops fighting hand-in-hand with the Palestinians. AR Really? More Lies I have never said such a thing in my life! What I do want is International Peacekeepers on the ground in Palestine to stop the Genocidal Israelis.

My Armenian Christian Brother Armin Sinanian, is laying in a hospital fighting for his life shot by a Israeli soldier and you blame me? I `am In a rage right now just like all my Armenian Brothers and Sisters throughout the world so I will not say what I really want to say to you. Good Day

The Armenian Community Is In A Rage In Washington DC and all over the world. Armenian Blood is not cheap you Israeli Devils! XINHUA GENERAL NEWS SERVICE April 10, 2002, Wednesday 11:44 AM Eastern Time Israeli Troops Wound Monk in Bethlehem GAZA, April 10 An Armenian monk was shot and seriously wounded Wednesday by Israeli fire in the Church of the Nativity compound in Bethlehem, Palestinians in Bethlehem said, adding that he was evacuated to a hospital in Jerusalem. The sources confirmed that the monk, 22, who was identified as Armin Sinanian, was in the compound, where dozens of Palestinian gunmen have been holed up with a group of monks since last week. The sources said that the monk was undergoing surgery at the hospital. Israeli radio quoted military sources as saying that according to an initial investigation conducted by the army, it appears that the monk was mistakenly shot by an Israeli sniper. The monk, one of the four clergymen who wanted to take water into the church, was shot and wounded when the sniper tried to hit an armed man standing next to them, the report said. According to Palestinian sources, the monk was shot by Israeli troops positioned in the guest wing of the Franciscan monastery. The Israeli military sources insisted that the wing is not part of the monastery but is actually located in a nearby hotel, but the Franciscans have disputed this, saying that the wing is part of the Nativity Church compound.

Armenian Orthodox monk shot and wounded in Bethlehem Wed Apr 10, 8:38 AM ET By IBRAHIM HAZBOUN, Associated Press Writer BETHLEHEM, West Bank - An Armenian Orthodox monk was seriously wounded Wednesday at Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity compound, and the Israeli army and Palestinians each claimed the other had opened fire on him. The monk, identified as Armin Sinanian, 22, was undergoing surgery at Jerusalem's Hadassah Hospital, where spokeswoman Yael Bossem-Levy said he was in serious condition. The hospital had no other information. A Palestinian policeman, one of more than 200 armed Palestinians who remained holed up in the basilica built over Jesus traditional birth grotto, said by telephone that Israeli troops shot a monk after breaking open a door. The policeman refused to give his name. It was not immediately clear whether the door led into the compound or into the Church of the Nativity itself. The policeman, who refused to give his name, said the monk's blood still stained the stone floor near the spot where he had been hanging clothes out to dry. Capt. Jacob Dallal, an Israeli army spokesman, said shots were fired at troops as they made a delivery of food intended for the 60 priests and nuns inside the church compound. He said Palestinians opened fire, hitting the monk. Israeli soldiers, he added, did not return fire. Israeli forces treated the monk and took him to Hadassah Hospital, Dallal said. Israeli troops have surrounded the church, where Palestinian gunmen have been holed up for more than a week. An Israeli tank remained outside the compound and a white balloon with surveillance cameras floated above, anchored to Manger Square by ropes. An army tent was set up next to St. Catherine's Church, adjacent to the Church of the Nativity. [ April 10, 2002, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

Did I say only IAN? I said the Blood running through your veins. Kid? Am older than you Child.

So according to your logic General Ivanian is not Armenian? He did not know a word of Armenian. Vrej wrote this and anoush posted it at my forum. Here I would like to mention, the destiny of an other 'Diasporan', so particular Legend, that is hardly known outside Artzakh, even less outside Armenia. Kristapor Ivanian, born in the 1920's, in Tiflis, then the biggest Armenian Town of the Trascaucasus.... He was born in a family of generals, serving the Tzars for more than a century, and his father being a Hero of the Russian Army during the liberation of Western Armenia, Garin, Gars... For this reason, merged into the Russianised Nobelty of Tiflis, then the capital of the Russian Regime in the Transcaucasus, was Russian speeking exclusively. He knew virtually nothing of Armenia... kristapor enteren the Military cavalery acadamy in Tiflis, natuarally, according to old family traditions... Still young, he was remarked for his abilities, and sent to St petersburg/leningrad artillary academy... WWII began, and the young Ivanian, stiil a cadet, was sent to the front..... He unded as a commander of the Red Army Artillary units before Berlin!! He was God knows how many times Hero of the USSR. After the war, he served in different army HQ, became the commander of the USSR artillary and missile academys, commander of missiles in Ukraine... Till the late 70s, when as a hero of the Soviet Union, he had the right to retire with biggest Honors, with a Datcha in St Petersbourg. He was married to a Russian, and his sons and daughter were totally merged to the then Nomenclatura of Moscow,... In 1988, he was already an old man, in his 70's, classified as 'history' by all, forgotten by all... He heard of Artzakh vaguely, or so, as eny 'Grandpa' in Leningrad. Till summer 92, when tings went very very bad for Artzakh. The turks captured 45% of the territory, and were close to 10km nort east of Stepanakert. Desperate, Vasken Sarkssian made a speech on Armenian and russian TV, calling all Armenian officers, no matter their location, to save the country... In Leningrad, by chance, the Ivanian couple, in their datcha were looking the news.... The old General, stood up, and said to his old wife, that maybe he should go too, who knows, he might still be usefull,,?? Her wife laughed at him, saying, 'old man, you are sick, unable to stand 30 minutes on foot, (he had a prostate adenome), with no respiration, what you think those people would do from you?' An hour later, he said, taking his jacket on his shoulder, as usual, at 19:00, 'wife I'm going to buy my cigarettes'... As he was out, his wife caller their son, in a Moscow office, saying: 'you know, your father is going too old, know what, he said he was willing to fight... , maybe we must see a doctor?' General kristapor Ivanian, 72 years old, hero of the USSR, gone to buy cigarettes, was reported missing in Leningrad.... Next day, at the eavening, in all the chaos and brouhaha of a small building, in Central Yerevan, where convoys were sent to Stepanakert, an old man, with 2cm glasses, a tiny brown, hand made jacket on his back , asked to be registered as a Volonteer, in russian!!! The women behind the desk was lost, she asked him to wait next room... At the end of the day, by chance an officer came to give instructions. He asked if there was still problems?? The women ended the list: 'Commander, there is an old fool next by, he's wainting for hours, and still refuses to leave...' The officer, impressed by the age, went to persuade the old man. He still refused to leave...., asking the commander to call his General! No matter the arguments, he still began to shout loudly, ordering in Russian: 'call your general and tell him that Kristapor Ivanovitch Ivanian is a volonteer for Artzakh'!!! there was an othr officer next stage, who came in and asked: 'Are you the K. ivanian of the Artillary books? i studied in the academy, on your theory books!!!' Next Morning, the old men was in the office of the President of the republic, with the minister of Defense..., all were fullof emotion, and general Ivanian was appointed as military aid of the President, supervising the Armenian Army...' Things were going from bad to worse, and the old man was angry with the President, for giving him 'office work'... One morning, he was reported missing... The same eavening, there was a massive attack on Hadrut front, things were going into chaos, orders were given to evacuate.... in all that hell, when in a panick mood, the last field canon was being taken back, an old man apeared in front of the track, on the Highway to Fizuli. Took the mortars and asked to help him... The boys were annoyed. They had orders to retreat, but this Strong head old man was refusing to leeve'... no matter all their talk, finally, in respect to his big age, they decided to stop for some minutes, and help the old fool... General Kristapor Ivanian, ex-Hero of the USSR, ex-Theorician of Soviet Artillary Academies, ex-Aid of the President of the Armenian Republic, turned into a simple artillary officer, ordering, shouting in Russian.... And the enemy was stopped! Soon the turkish fire was less and less acurate, less and less intensive.... Soon the little field cannon of the 'Missing' regiment registered new, captured material, Grad missiles.... Kristapor Ivanian, member and adviser of the NKR HQ, was assigned to create, from zero, NKR army's military academy, in a destroyed village, now named after him IVANOVKA. While fighting on 4 fronts, the NKR began forming new, 17-18 year old tank and artillary officers..., next to the frontline. One day the boys were in classes, learning in books, and next day, when situation tense, they were in practice, liberating Aghdam or Fizuli... War ended, for the first time after 1041, ani's fall, an armenian Army liberated lands... Gen Ivanian, called home, ex-Leningrad now St Petersbourg, to inform his whereabout.... The Government of the NKR, offered a big datcha, next to the Presidential palace to his 75 years Heroe, now Second in Command of its Army.... The russian wife installed in Stepanakert, but the old general refused comfort.. While he asked his whife to cultivate vegetables and poultery in their garden, to avoid expenses for the state, he went to live in his Division's HQ, near the frontline..., turning Home, Stepanakert, once a month only.... Gen Ivanian was Given the most difficult section of the front, the montains and forests of Chahoumian and Mardakert.... He was used to sleep 3-4 hours a day, the rest touring his positions... He was atheist as the original communists, knew virtually no Armenian, established soviet style discipline in his troops, imposed law and order, has build bunkers and garnisons, with soviet style harshness (the builders were given short terms, with at the end, the obligation to give best quality bunkers, if not, may God help them...)... He was feared as a'Stalin' in all Mardakert, at 75, sick with uretral and cancer problems, but checked all by his eyes... He knew knothing of 'comfort/luxury'. lived in the same places as his officers, his men.... eated virtually the same as they did,a 'loligov tzevazegh' a day, a piece of bread and a cop of tea...( in 96, things were not as good as now for food). I had the honor to share his officer quarter bank for a short period, and I can't forget that old, severe, Russian speeking, but so emotional and good-heart man, sharing the cold, humid, icy morning ceremonial garnison 'nakhajachs' with 20-30 year old mens.... I can't forget the first day I was introduced to him. that 'Stalin' man, tears in his eyes, because he saw a young Diasporan, 'present to give a hand' to thoose forgotten 'SAVAGES'... Let alone the comic, while 2 different Diasporan's seving the same nation, were obliged to communicate with hands, or a Artsakhian parpar translator... He had 2 Artzakhian horses, he used to tour the montain forest positions 2 or tree times a week..., and believe me its easier to say than to do, in such hard terrain, mines everywhere, and the enemy 100-150m away.... He served till his last day of life, past 75, to secure security for his old people.... Yess Mam, he was one among thousands famous in closed circles, unknown to their nation abroad Heroes, and no matter what an Ontario based or Fresno installed individual could say, these 'SAVAGE HOOLIGANS' gave us our right to live... [ April 10, 2002, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

No what makes you Armenian is the blood flowing in your veins and your love for Armenia. A last name ending in IAN also helps alot DINKJIAN is mine whats yours?

Azat, if you look at the first post I made on this forum I was attacked first so it is they who started with the childish games. I will not attack anyone but when I see anyone attcked on this forum I will speak up just to be fair. I just want to post about Armenia and the Genocide that all nothing else and if people want to debate thats fine but when I post about Jewish involvment in the Armenian Genocide and about Christianity I`am attacked for some reason. I wonder why? [ April 09, 2002, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

Anoush/Marie/freak of nature? That is a insult on a Forum Member I think Azat should get a PM. Stop insulting forum members Azat

You mean Uncle Ara? No relation to the Great Ara Dinkjian but he might be a distant cousin for all I know.

That Domino is going around saying am not Armenian so I prove I`am Armenian. Look at all the attacks he has said about me below. Why don`t you ask for Domino to get a "PM"? It seems that people can attack me and get away with it without even once getting a warning. I will put a article about the Genocide. I told MOS JAN that I will obey all the rules [ April 09, 2002, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

My Full Name John {Hovig} Dinkjian I have nothing to hide. Turkey "Rewards" Israeli Leaders By Accusing Them of Genocide By Harut Sassounian California Courier Publisher Bulent Ecevit, the Prime Minister of Turkey, in a rare moment of candor, expressed last week the true feelings of most Turks about Israel. Without mincing his words, Ecevit accused Israel, a close military ally of Turkey, of committing "genocide" against the Palestinians. "The whole Palestinian State is being destroyed step by step," he said. "A genocide against the Palestinian people is being carried out before the eyes of the world." By making these unusually harsh remarks, Ecevit was voicing the sentiments of a large number of demonstrators who in dozens of Turkish cities have been protesting for several days against the Israeli military's brutal attacks on Palestinian towns. The Turkish protestors were burning Israeli and American flags and shouting "Filthy Jews" and calling Israel's Prime Minister "Murderer Sharon." They were demanding that Turkey cancel a $668 million military contract with an Israeli State defense firm and not allow Israel to participate in joint military exercises to be held in Turkey later this month. Also lambasting Israel's Prime Minister was Turkey's Foreign Minister Ismail Cem who described Sharon's actions against the Palestinians as a "violation of human rights." The Anadolu Agency quoted Temel Karamollaoglu, a Member of the Turkish Parliament, as saying, "if we remain silent against murders committed by Israel, our future will also be jeopardized. The Southeastern Anatolia region was included in the land promised to the Jews. Zionists were behind the resolutions about the so-called Armenian genocide. Palestinian suicide commandos defending their homes, lands and families cannot be considered terrorists. In fact, Israel became a terrorist State. The United States has been extending support to Israel, [while] Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinian people." Karamollaoglu urged that Turkey recall its Ambassador from Israel. Another Member of Parliament, Bulent Arinc, was reported to have said, "recent developments have revealed that there is no difference between Adolf Hitler and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon." The Chairman of the Turkish Labor Confederation (Hak-Ish), Salim Uslu, was quoted as saying, "the world which reacts against the fascism of Hitler and Milosevic should also stop Sharon's fascism." A Turkish newspaper even ran an editorial under the headline, "Adolf Sharon!" The most offensive protest action, however, was taken by the Turkish Liberal Democrat Party (LDP) which is led by prominent businessman Besim Tibuk. According to the Turkish newspaper Yeni Safak, a group of LDP supporters gathered in front of Istanbul's main post office to mail a box of soap to Sharon "in order to remind him of the Holocaust committed by Hitler against the Jews." A spokesman for LDP said, "Sharon reminds us of Hitler. As we know, Hitler burned the Jews in ovens and made soap out of them. Sharon is behaving just like Hitler towards the Palestinians…. That's why we are sending soap to Sharon!" For several years, as successive Israeli leaders refused to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, Armenians and many Righteous Jews have been telling the Israeli government that Turkey should not be viewed as a trusted ally and that Israel should not be unduly concerned about a Turkish backlash because of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. Last week's events proved that Israel's assessments of Turkey were wrong on both counts. The widespread daily demonstrations and the many anti-Israeli statements made by high-ranking Turkish officials indicate that most Turks view Israel with hatred and contempt. The only exception is the Turkish military which has forged a strategic alliance with Israel, ignoring the public's sentiments. The civilian "leaders" of Turkey, even the President and the Prime Minister, dare not speak against the "wishes" of the Turkish Generals who rule the country with an iron fist. As demonstrated in a recent Gallup Poll, the overwhelming majority of the Turkish public does not share the pro-western orientation of the country's military or civilian leadership. The Israeli government has been foolishly relying on the assurances offered by a handful of despotic Turkish Generals. Therefore, in a critical situation, Israel would not be able to rely on its strategic Turkish "ally" to come to its rescue. As we see, the Prime Minister of Turkey is accusing Israel of genocide at a time when no Turkish interests are at stake. Imagine how much more hostile the Turks would become should Israel oppose a Turkish issue! The second mistake is the excessive Israeli concern, some may say paranoia, about offending Turkey. Within 24 hours of accusing Israel of genocide, the Turkish Prime Minister, under pressure from Israel and American Jews, backed away from his "bold" statement and offered an apology for having offended the Jewish people. He said that his words were misunderstood and that he should not have used the term "genocide" to describe the Israeli attacks on the Palestinians in the West Bank. According to Israeli and Turkish press reports, Ecevit's statement would have serious consequences for Turkey. The Jerusalem Post wrote that Ecevit's accusation of Israel "has led to a serious crisis between the two strategic allies…. Israel has launched simultaneous diplomatic initiatives in Ankara and Tel Aviv…. Israel has asked Ankara for an 'explanation' of the comments, warning that Ecevit's announcement could affect relations between the [two] countries…. American Jewish lobbies known for their support of Turkey in the face of Armenian and Greek lobbies in Washington, are preparing to voice their concerns to Turkey. They reportedly delivered a message to the Turkish Embassy in Washington decrying Ecevit's statements. They added that the comments are particularly unseemly in consideration of their attempts to defend Turkey from Armenian claims of genocide, and in light of the Jewish genocide suffered at the hand of the Nazis. Last year, Jewish-American lobbies played a key role in stopping a Congressional bill foreseeing an Armenian genocide law, urging US authorities to allow arms sales for Turkey. A key member of a prominent Jewish-American organization told The Jerusalem Post that his organization plans to write a letter to voice their disapproval." Furthermore, some Turkish journalists indicated their displeasure that Ecevit used the word genocide so close to April 24, the anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. The Turkish leaders were clearly told that next time around they may not be able to count on the assistance of the "Jewish lobby" in the United States to prevent the passage of a congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide. This episode clearly shows that the powerful Israeli government has been unnecessarily "afraid" of Turkey. In reality, the Turkish Prime Minister was the one that got scared of his own "brave" anti-Israeli statement. This proves that Turkey needs Israel and the American Jews much more than they need Turkey! Significantly, in the first public clash between Israel and Turkey, the Turks are the ones who backed down and publicly apologized to the Israelis! Rather than celebrating a victory, the Israeli leaders should hang their heads low in shame. In a way, they got their just desserts. For many years, they have been trying to appease Turkey by opposing the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. Ankara is now "handsomely rewarding" them by accusing them of genocide! This is Turkey's gratitude. As the proverb says, "if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas!" [ April 09, 2002, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: A.R. ]

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Antisemitic Book Presented in Armenia; Jewish Leader Heckled (February 20, 2002) On February 9, 2002 in Yerevan, a book entitled “National System” by Romen Yepiskoposyan, printed in Ar-menian and Russian, was presented at the Union of Writers of Armenia, according to Artak Varzhapetyan, head of international relations at the Jewish Community of Armenia. The author of the book identifies Jews and Turks as the No. 1 enemies of Armenians, writing that: “In the contemporary world there are two nations that are the carriers of evil of the most concentrated and ag-gressive type. These are the Jews – the nation-destroyer with a mission of destruction and decomposition, and the Turks – the nation-killer with a mission of devastation and crushing.” A section in the book entitled “The Greatest Falsification of the 20th Century” denies the Holocaust, claiming that it is a myth created by Zionists to discredit “Arians.”: “The greatest falsification in human history is the myth of Holocaust. …no one was killed in gas chambers. There were no gas chambers.” A speaker at the event called for the book to be distributed in schools in order to “develop a national idea and understanding of history.” The President of the Jewish Community of Armenia—Mrs. Rimma Varzhapetyan—was at the presentation, and when she introduced herself to the audience, many people in attendance shouted that Jews are to blame for the Armenian genocide of 1916 in Turkey and that they are enemies. Mrs. Varzhapetyan responded that the book is totally absurd and a falsification of historical and contemporary facts. She sharply reminded the audience how many things Jews and especially she herself have done for Arme-nia—the answer from the audience was that there are some good Jews. Mr. Varzhapetyan told UCSJ that: “In the beginning of next week we, the Jewish Community of Armenia, are going to meet the President of the Republic of Armenia to ask for a reaction against such actions.” http://www.fsumonitor.com/stories/022002Armen.shtml

Mos Jan E Mail me your Phone Number in Armenia and let me call you and you will see how well I speak Armenian. Can other so called "Armenians" on this forum do the same? Lets see who is Armenian and who is not. My Family is from Alleppo , Syria the last stop for Genocide survivors and my Grandma whos Father was butchered by the turks God Rest His and Her Soul was honered by the Armenian Community for being a GENOCIDE SURVIVOR and thats just on my Fathers side my Grandma on my Mother side whos Father was also slaughted by the Turks was forced to drink piss on the death marches in the Syrian Desert God Rest both of there souls. Can all Armenians say that? I will be glad to put my chips on the table to anyone who says I`am not Armenian. Every Armenian alive has family who died in the Genocide? I don`t think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every Armenian in Armenia has family who died in the Genocide? I don`t think so!!!!!! 2 Million Armenians only 500,000 survived! Do the Math!!!!!! [ April 08, 2002, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: A.R. ]