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The Anglo-Latin word for "mtavorakan" is as some define a suppository- Inuendo, as in "in you went O"

TRAGIC!! http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=spitak+earthquake+pictures&cp=19&rlz=1W1RNTN_en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&wrapid=tljp1299936797074034&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&sa=X&ei=QXZ7TfjwHJPtrAHk5fDuBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1064&bih=475

Hwy Sip, how many hats do you have. What happened to gthis hat? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ISOhLl8_kTk/SJprZb5tlSI/AAAAAAAAALs/2ExfkZTeiXg/s400/cheese_head_2%255B3%255D.jpg

This post may better fit our Topic- “Our Ugly Side”. Please forgive me. Every time I see eartquake stories I can't but remember those horrible days. --- Tokyo's population tops 130 million where only one street has a higher population than the entire country of Armenia. --- Note below that an increment of one whole number on the scale means ten fold. Note that, even if the Armenian Earthquaqe at 6.9 was not trivial, compare that with 8.9 in Japan. Compare 25.000 dead and several times those maimed and injured, of a population less than 3 million and that with population of Japan over 130 million, where reposted dead is only in the hundreds. OK, OK, shut me up and tell us how we are the smartest and the most ethical Christian people.** ----- 8.9 quake kills hundreds in Japan The quake triggers a tsunami that threatens much of the Pacific. Up to 300 bodies are found in the city of Sendai in northeastern Japan, an area believed to have been hit hardest by the massive waves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RichterFreqEnergyGraph-en.svg --- ** Speaking of which, here is what the Founder of Christianity Jesus said about “building on/with sand”.Some of us may still hink the whole thing was a cruel joke. See post #7 above. Was He talking about these Sand Castles ? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NtWch3yJJeg/TKAD98865MI/AAAAAAAADJY/nhKY3u-SFQg/s1600/Sand+Castle.jpg

Did you see that sentence in the letter by Սոնա Արշունեցի ? You may have noticed that it is in quotes, i.e. an adage, a saying. It is from Abovian’s Verq Hayastani, which I cannot pinpoint to understand the allegory. I’m sure Johannes, SAS, Harut et al may know. The formal definition of տուտ is (tree) branch, ճիւղ, twig, stick. From where տուտՆ, note N ending means end, bottom, ծայր as in the end of a stick. My guess would be- ” a lie floats, surfaces readily, but we cannot see the end/point, the bottom of it”. Bakunts has used the word a few time… Let’s see if Nairi knows where and how. Here is from Nairi's translation page 22- Interesting. Note that Nairi translated it as “foot”. She is right as at times we use the word տոտիկ to mean footsie/baby‘s foot. ---- The word has many uses and applications, many of them alluding to “end/edge”, interesting that it also means the edge of a skirt/hem/քղանցք. It is odd that the word “ճոթ/joth” comes to mind which also means ծայր/edge as i the phrase “ճահանամին ճոթը/the end of gehena”.

Chere Madame, Sweet Lady. It is so good to see you again!!! Left hand, right hand? Who said one is superior to the other? As in "dextera" means "right/correct" and "sinistra/left" means "evil/sinister"?!! Kill all those "sinister" priests and nuns who would break the hand of the sinister-left-handed. And they still do. We remember when Jesus ascended to heaven he sat to the "right" of God.

EXCELLENT Yervant! You get the idea. Btw. I have known several with the family name "ouzounian" who fit the moniker ,i.e. "tall" in that other non-language". Btw. Anyone know who that Janet Shamlian of CNN/ABC is? http://static01.mediaite.com/med/power-grid/images/profiles/935/janet_shamlian_x200.jpg Who knows him? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/david-chalian/story?id=6499665

This is what I mean about NOT YET SO FAMOUS… Now we get the idea. Some day. Who knows? http://www.mirrorspectator.com/?p=4640 --- This is special for Boghos; http://www.armenianweekly.com/2010/10/14/union-of-marash-armenians-watertown-to-celebrate-100-years/ Btw Boghos, I am sure you know that one time Speaker of the NJ State Assembly, and a US Senate candidate Chuck Haytaian is also of Marash heritage?

My idea of initiating this thread was to see how many NOT YET SO FAMOUS ARMENIANS and ARMENIAN related stories we can broadcast. And my wish is that our Ads and Mods would see it fit to create a whole Subject Topic of ARMENIACA. Yes we know we have a category of Famous Armenians, but this category will be for those NOT YET SO FAMOUS ones, who may some day be Famous. Or to subjects about Armenian things and news that don’t fit any of the existing categories. No crime stories please, we have a topic for that -”our ugly side”. And please no stories like "Armenian church found in Zimbabwe", or "Armenian priests in Iceland". There is a an ongoing thread about them - "Comedistan". Please feel free to post any news or stories you deem newsworthy, be they about things Armenian or about potential “famous Armenians”, be they in arts, politics, business, science, and or ,and or….. ----- My apologies in advance as the first two entries will deal with obituaries. Hopefully we will not see many of them. Hopefully future entries will be more cheery and celebratory. ---- This is really eerie and scary. Only today I was reading one of our old threads where I had invoked his name in a different context, and a few minutes after I saw this; http://www.armenianweekly.com/2011/03/07/frank-chirkinian-televised-golf%e2%80%99s-ayatollah-dies-at-84/

ARMENIACA ՀԱՅԿԱԿԱՆՔ Halberian Mansion Among many news and stories; http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/10/realestate/10scapes.3.jpg http://www.whyleaveastoria.com/profiles/blogs/the-old-steinway-mansion http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364212/Mystery-voodoo-doll-masks-historic-New-York-mansion.html Asking price 4.5 million 100 times the original 1925 purchase price. http://www.queensbuzz.com/steinway-mansion-up-for-sale---astoria-real-estate-cms-648 Michael is no more ; http://www.queensbuzz.com/michael-halberian---steinway-mansion-owner---dies-cms-708

HAND and FINGER Now that they finally realize how far they are from ankara and stanbol they turn to Yerevan? A hand of “friendship” with the extended “middle finger”? As our house philosopher Nairi would say... WHO CARES ?? We will see more and more such stories/fables as we approach April 24. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QfVWU-2pVL4/TSuoojPSf1I/AAAAAAAAQK0/VNtd8-wnSik/s1600/monument+that+features+a+divided+human+figure%252C+with+one+half+extending+a+hand+to+the+other+half%252C+symbolizing+the+pain+of+division+hope+of+reconciliation%252C+sculpted+from+stone+by+Mehmet+Aksoy.jpg Would not this statue sculpted and erected by Armen Araratian be more appropriate? Wait until our finger becomes big enough to hurt their ... whatever. http://www.satanservice.org/graphics/birdie http://news.am/eng/news/50551.html

ՏՈԼԻ, ՏՈԼ ԴՈԼԻ, ԴՈԼ? TOLI ,TOL DOLI, DOL? In fact it should be written with the letter D , not T. See the Urartuan spelling below. Even if even Ajarian spells it with the letter տ/T. I did not know this word until I saw it here; See #60, aka “dolma wars” http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=32417&pid=279971&st=60entry279971 Somewhere I dismissed the chef’s assertion that it is an Urartuan word, because Ajarian does not say so. Here is what Johannes wrote #67; Note that the Urartian word is written with the D , not T. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14306&st=60&p=217179&hl=toli&fromsearch=1entry217179 When we read further we will see that the “toli/doli” grapevine is not this cultivated and domesticated noble plant; http://www.theworldwidewine.com/Varieties/sauvignon_blanc_white_grape_variety.jpg But this wild variety http://images1.snapfish.com/347959%3B%3B%3B%7Ffp356%3Enu%3D3288%3E%3A85%3E86%3B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233%3A9%3C774654nu0mrj http://minnesotaseasons.com/Plants/Large/Wild_Grape_01.jpg When we look up ՏՈԼԻin the Dictionary of Synonyms it sends us to…. Above it is basically saying that it means “vine, grapevine”. In addition to the above “dolma wars” I seem to remember someone saying the word is of Urartian origin. Correct! And now let us see what Ajarian has to say about it. Not much. He does not go any deeper, or invoke the Urartian origin except, he invokes , at times some ridiculous interpretations of origin. Like someone suggests that it means a “pupkin plant, or the pumpkin itself”. He also mentions the Arabic word “davali, turkified from the Arabic dwali”دوالی just like when “dolma /դոլմա” became տոլմա/tolma. Those neo-linguists are full of dolma stuffing. Like they label their restaurants “Dolmama/Դոլմամա”, yet they spell the dish “Tolma”. Please note that the “mama” does not refer to “mama/mother” , anyone know that the suffix “la/ma” is from the furkish, the furkified /verbifying suffix “la”as ? “Khash/Khashlama****/Ghapa/ghaplama/Ghapama”. http://dolmama.narod.ru/images/main3.gif http://dmc-armenia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dolmama.jpg ***at times also “diwali/dewali” ,since in the Arabic there are very few (short ) vowels, the rest is left to imagination. Once again note how the Arabic soft D/Դ/د / Da ended up as T/ Տ/Tyun in the stanbol dialect. http://www.azg.am/AM/2011022426 And now khashglokh , shish kebab heads are our new and improved linguists??? . WOW! I am floored. I did not know this. If one googles “dawani, diwani, dewani“… etc. you will see how many thousands will pop up all meaning “grape leaf” or their preparations. *** Ah! I found out why at times the vine is called “քուրմ/qurm” Among many, a very short entry in the Armatakan, where it says that it was used only once by Amirdovlat Amasiatsi, from the Arabic karm گرم /kurum / گروم Note that when this word is read as “karam” it means “blessing”. *** Of course the best known meaning of “քուրմ/qurm” is a “pagan priest” from the Assyrian “qumra”. (An altogether separate subject.) *** I had only known this word “քուրմ/qurm” to mean a pagan cleric. Another subject. **** Can we please stop using that furkified word “khashLAMA” from the Armenian “KHASH- to boil”. My ancestors, when on Saturdays doing laundry would call the process of “khash/boilng” -verb- “khash-la-makh”, and at times they would say “khas@l“, obviously from the Armenian verb “khashel“... Please see the Toumanian anecdote about the all Armenian dish “Khash” and its meaning of “laundry/boiling”. I did not know why some called that process “don” meaning underwear /vartik. Turns out it is a furkish word to mean “pair of drawers/knickers/վարտիկ/vartik”. http://www.bloomers4u.com/images/details/PinkB1.jpg

Andsrev Yekav Shaghalen Komitas ------ Անձրեւն եկաւ շաղալէն, Ուռ ու տերեւ դողալէն, Վա՜յ, լէ՜, լէ՛, լէ՜, լէ՛, Լէ՛, լէ՛, լէ՛, լէ՛, լէ՛, Հրես եկաւ իմ ախպեր, Ալ ձին տակին խաղալէն։ Վա՜յ, լէ՜, լէ՛, լէ՜, լէ՛, Լէ՛, լէ՛, լէ՛, լէ՛, լէ՛… Խալիչեքը փռել եմ, Նախշուն բարձեր շարել եմ, Որ գիտենաս անուշ եար, Թէ քեզ սրտով կը սիրեմ։ Տապկած հաւի ճուտ բերեմ, Ոչխարի մածուն բերեմ, Որ գիտենաս անուշ եար, Թէ քեզ սրտով կը սիրեմ։ Ղուշ մի դառնայ թեւաւոր, Դու խա՛ղ կանչէ ձեւաւոր… Եարաբ լինի՞ էն օրը, Որ գաս մեր տուն թագաւոր։ Note. I cannot find the original orthography by Komitas Below we “our ou terev”, where “our” and “ou” are separated. I was under impression that it was ՈՒՌՈՒ. Was it in fact meant to be “ուռու/ourou/our and ou combined” , to mean "leaf of willow", not “ willow AND leaf"? In Clasical Armenian the "ou" is posessive suffix to mean "of/from" as in Աւետարան ըստ Յովհաննու, to mean "from/according to", which in time has turned to "I" as in Avetaran @st HovannI Or as at one time we would say Ըստ Խորենացու, now we say Ըստ Խորենացիյի. "Ուռ ու տերեւ դողալէն,""leaf of willow"? Ասում են ուռին աղջիկ էր ինձպէս

I don’t know who this H. Hayrapetian is. There is one entry in the Hanragitaran as Hayrapet Hayrapetian, but it seems unlikely, as he is featured as a soviet writer, specially when he signs his name as Հ. Հայրապէտեան. Note the traditional orthography below. Like when he writes հաՒքեր and արեՒ, զեփիւր not զեփյուր. See how the RE turns to RA before the N I had known the below poem as a song. ------ Ես իմ աշխարհի գարունը կ՛ուզեմ. զուարթ ու վսեմ. գետակը փրփուր, հաւքերը կայտառ. ծաղիկը պայծառ: Այս օտար երկրի գարունն է մռայլ. ծաղիկը անփայլ. արեւը կրակ, գետակը տխուր. թռչունները լուռ: Մեր սիրուն ձորի զեփիւռն է քնքուշ, արեւը անուշ... Ախ իմ աշխարհի գարնան եմ կարօտ. անուշ ու հոտոտ...: Հ. Հայրապետեան

How do you spell “irony” in Armenian? The Armenian version is a little clearer, yet, even then we don’t know when the “divorce” happened. http://hetq.am/en/society/ktrich/

Since this thread there have been many others dealing the subject, many with great nostalgia. The above, highly intellecual list was interrupted so many times by the likes PIMA** hagarag/khoja, that I decided to edit it to its original alphabetical sequence with no interruptions. I miss Ali Suat aka Aurguplu, one of our most intelligent members. **If you wonder what PIMA means, the first letter P stands for “pain”. --- None of us, at no time, anywhere has compiled such a complete list. --- OTTOMAN ARMENIANS OF NOTE A Abdullah, Kevork (Istanbul, 1839-2nd April 1918). One of the famous photographers of Istanbul. Abroyan, Sahak (İzmir, 15th September 1823-Istanbul 8th August 1900). Statesman, translator. Adruni, Bedros (Istanbul 1883-1944). Educator, writer. Agop, Güllü (orig. name Agop Vartovyan) (Istanbul, 1840-1902). Actor, screenwriter. Agathon, Krikor (Hasköy, Istanbul, 4th July 1925-Paris 27th April 1868). General Director of the Post Office and Minister of Works, first Christian Minister of the Ottoman Empire. Apraham (Ankara, 15th Century). An eyewitness to the siege and conquest of Constantinople. Famous for his 98-quatrain elegy of the Conquest. Arabyan (Hovhannesyan) Boğos (Eğin 1742-Istanbul 1835). Printer, publisher. Aramyan, Canik (İzmir 1820-Istanbul 16th April 1879). Privy Printing Press emin. Fontmaker, artist and intellectual. Asadur, Hrand (Istanbul 1862-5th June 1928). Writer, lawyer. Atamyan, Bedros (Istanbul 21th December 1849-4th June 1891) theatre actor, painter (illustrator), writer. Aznavur, Hovsep (1853 or 21st May 1854-Cairo 15th May 1935). Architect. B Balyan, Agop (Istanbul 1837-Paris 1875) Imperial Architect. Balyan, Drtad (Talas, Kayseri 1850-Athens 2nd July 1923). Ethnographer, cleric. Balyan, Garabet Amira (Istanbul, 1800-1866). Imperial Architect. Balyan, Krikor Amira (Istanbul 1764-1851). Imperial Architect. Balyan, Nikoğos (Istanbul 1826-1858). Balyan, Sarkis (Istanbul 17th February 1831-7th November 1899). Imperial Architect and Chief Architect of theState. Baron (Baronak) (Istanbul 1834-1900) (Armenian pronunciation Parunak). Luthier. Baronder, Krikor (Gandhza ? - Jerusalem 1645). Patriarch of Jerusalem. Baronyan, Hagop (Edirne (Adrianapolis) 1842-Istanbul 1891). Humorist, journalist. Berberyan, Avedis (Istanbul 1798-1870). Historian and teacher. Berberyan, Nişan G. (Istanbul 1842-1907). Printer, cliché-maker, painter (illustrator) and caricaturist. Bezciyan, Harutyun (Istanbul 10th April 1771-3rd June 1834). Emin of the Imperial Mint, philanthropist, advisor to Sultan Mahmud II. Binemeciyan, Eliza (Istanbul 1890-Toronto, Canada 1981). Theatre actress. C Celalyan, Hovsep (Istanbul 1870/74?-27th June 1936). Chemist, writer. Ç Çerçyan, Hamparsum (Istanbul 19th September 1828-Izmid 5th June 1901). Musician. Çulhacıyan, Dikran (Istanbul 1837-İzmir 10th March 1898). Operetta composer. Çulhayan, Krikor (Istanbul 1868-28th February 1938). Musician, composer. D Dadyan, Boğos (Istanbul 1800-Paris 19th November 1863). Chief Gunner (gunpowder-maker), philanthropist. Dadyan, Harutyun (Istanbul 5th April 1830-7th October 1901). Minister. Dadyan, Hovhannes (Istanbul 14th February 1798-18th April 1869) Chief Gunner (gunpowder-maker), philanthropist, inventor. Der Hovhannesyan, Kevork (Istanbul 1737-23rd November 1811). Historian, writer, linguist, translator. Deveciyan, Karekin (Harput (Kharpert), Elazığ (Mamuretulaziz) 18th February 1867-Istanbul 8th January 1964). Central Director of Istanbul Fishery (Balıkhane), author. D'Ohsson, Ignatius Mouradgea (Istanbul 31st July 1740-Paris 27th August 1807). Swedish ambassador of Armenian origin, writer. Düzyan, Garabed (ıstanbul 28th July 1779-27th November 1855). Chief Jeweller. Düzyan, Hagop (Istanbul 3rd January 1793-Vicenza, Italy 4th July 1847). Chief Jeweller and Emin of the Imperial Mint. Düzyan, Hovhannes (Istanbul 24th April 1749-9th April 1812). Chief Jeweller and Emin of the Imperial Mint. Düzyan, Mihayel (Istanbul 14th January 1724-13rd August 1783). Privy Jeweller. Düzyan, Sarkis (Istanbul 15th October 1777-2nd October 1819). Chief Jeweller. F Fasulyacıyan, Tovmas (Istanbul 25th July 1843-Alexandria 23rd September 1891). Theatre actor. Felekyan, Mari Heranuş (Tahran 1875-Istanbul 1936). Theatre actress. Feruhan Kurtikyan, Parunak (Istanbul 18th October 1824-15th June 1869). Doctor and writer. G Garabedyan, Bedros Zeki (Istanbul 4th September 1871-December 1937). Secretary General of the State Şura. Gugasyan, Nişan (Istanbul 1848-6th January 1918). Chemistry and Pharmacology Teacher at the Imperial Faculty of Medicine. Gurdikyan, Isdepan (Brussia 1865-Istanbul 1948). Linguist, translator, teacher. H Handanyan, Hagop (Diyarbekir 1834-Istanbul 30th October 1899). Doctor and writer. Hanne, Hovhannes (Jerusalem ?-12th June 1733). Cleric, historian, painter, poet. Holosyan, Kevork (Istanbul 1858-22nd May 1907). Theatre actor. Hovagim I (?-Istanbul 1477). First Armenian Patriarch of Istanbul. Hovhannes IX (Golod) (Bitlis 1678-Istanbul 12th February 1741). Armenian Patriarch, educator, intellectual. Hrimyan, Mıgırdiç (Van 4th April 1820-Echmiadzin 29th October 1907). Armenian Patriarch, educator, journalist, writer. K Kalfayan, Sırpuhi (Ist. 17th Feb. 1822-21st July 1889). Nun, founder of the Kalfayan Nun Society and Orphanage. Karakahya, Apraham (Ist. 1833-1918) Minister, Member of State Council (also known with surname Yeremyan). Karakoç, Sarkis (Ist. 1st Sept. 1865 - 8th March 1944). Jurist. Kazazyan, Agop (Ist. 1831/33-7th Sept. 1891). Minister of Privy Treasury. Koçyan, Püzant (Ist. 8th August 1859-3/29 June 1927). Journalist, linguist, educator. Kelekyan, Diran (Kayseri 20th Sept. 1862-near sivas 1915). Journalist, linguist, educator. Kevork (18th century) tilemaker. Koçunyan, Misak (Aleppo 16th Sept. 1863-Ist. 18th May 1913). Journalist, writer. Kömürciyan, Krikor (Ist. 6th March 1868-9th Feb. 1958). Educator, college textbook writer. Kömürciyan, Yeremya Çelebi (Ist. 13th May 1637-15th July 1695). Historian, poet, translator and printer. L Labcinciyan, Teotik (Ist. 5th March 1873-Paris 24th May 1928). Researcher, writer. Limoncuyan, Hamparsum (Ist. 1768-29th June 1839). Composer, inventor of notation, music instructor, chief singer, violinist, tambur player. M Mardikyan, Oskan (Erzincan 1867-22nd Feb. 1920). Theatre actor and regisseur. Mihran Efendi (kayseri 1855-?-?) Newspaper owner and manager. Minasyan, Artin (Kütahya, 19th-20th Cent.) Tilemaker. Minasyan, Hacı Karabet (Kütahya, 19th-20th Cent.) Tilemaker. Miricanyan, Şnork Mgrdiç (Ist. 1742-5th Feb 1800). Palace jeweller, goldsmith, founder of first community school. Mühendisyan, Hovhannes (Ist. 21st Feb. 1810-18th Nov 1891) Privy Print Emin, fontmaker, jeweller. N Nalyan, Hagop (Divriği 1706-Ist. 19th July 1764) Armenian patriarch, poet. Nikoğos Ağa (Melkonyan) (Ist. 1836-9th Sept. 1885). Composer, singer, tambur player and music instructor. Noradunkyan, Kapriel (Ist. 1852-Paris 1936) Statesman. Nurican, Hovsep (Ist. 1828-1898) Doctor and writer. O Odyan, Krikor (Ist. 9th Dec. 1834-Paris 6th Aug 1887) State official, Member of State Council. Ohannesyan, David (Kütahya, 1883-Beyrut 1953). Tilemaker. Ormanyan, Mağakya (Ist. 23th Feb. 1841-19th Nov. 1918). Armenian patriarch & intellectual. Oskan, Yervant (Ist. 1855-9th July 1914) Painter, sculptor, archaeologist. P Pokuzyan, Zakarya (Kağızman, Kars 1719-Ist. 11th March 1799). Armenian patriarch. Portakal, Mikayel (Ist. 1842-6/18 Nov 1897). Statesman, economist and researcher. R Refail (?-Ist 1780). Privy painter of Armenian origin. Rusinyan, Nahabed (Efkere, Kayseri 23 Sept 1819-Ist 29th Feb 1876). Doctor, poet, writer and translator. S Sarraf-Hovhannesyan, Sarkis (Ist. 1740?-7 March 1805). Histrian and educator. Saralanyants, Dikran (İzmir, Feb 1821-17 Jan 1901). Photographer. Sebah, Pascal (Ist. 1823-25 June 1886). Photographer (half Catholic Assyrian-half Armenian). Seropyan, Hagopos (Balat 1780-Jerusalem 6th Nov. 1862). Patriarch. Serveryan, Hovhannes (Kayseri 1786-Ist. 24th June 1858). Privy architect. Sırvantsdyants, Karekin (van 12th Dec. 1840-Ist. 17th Nov 1892). Ethnographer, cleric. Soğomonyan, Gomidas (Kütahya 26th Sept. 1869-Paris 21/22 Oct. 1935). Ş Şen, Bimen (Brussia 1873-Ist. 26 Aug. 1943). Composer, singer. Şığtagayir, Krikor (Şirvan, Bitlis 1670-Jerusalem 12th Feb. 1749). T Taranağlı, Krikor (Kemah, 1576-Tekirdağ Sept. 1643). Tarkulyan, Boğos (?-Ist 1940) Photographer. Taşçıyan, Nikoğayos (Ist. 1841-9th Sept. 1885). Musicologist, composer, educator. Tatyos Efendi (Ist. 1858-16th March 1913). Composer, violinist and kanun player. Terziyan, Tovmas (Ist. 21st Oct. 1840-8th Feb. 1909). Tıngır, Andon Yaver (Ist. 1812-1908) Member of State Council. Tıngıryan, Bedros (Ist. 3rd Sept. 1799-Buca, İzmir 1881). Linguist and cleric. Torkomyan, Vahram (Ist 20th April 1858-Paris 12th August 1942). V Varjabedyan, Nerses (Ist. 28 Jan 1837-26 Oct. 1884) Archbishop, Arm. patriarch, educator. Viçenyan, Serope (Ist. 22 Nov. 1815-2 Oct 1897). Doctor, member of teaching staff. Y Yeremyan, Seğpos (Eğin 1680-90-Ist 5 Feb 1754). Merchant, dragoman to the English embassy in Istanbul. Z Zilciyan, Kerope (Ist. 1829-23 March 1910). Cymbalist. Zohrab, Krikor (Ist 1861-Urfa 1915). Jurist, writer, politician.

Yes it is sad! When we serve our overlords so faithfully and respectfully calling them p**** , b*y , effe*ndi , sul*an and some such garbage honorifics…. even when we refer to that dog as talaat p**** Hi Peter Balakian!! Please note that the initiator of this thread is an ethnic furk. How many of them do you know? Among many such topics… http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=5107&st=0 --- Yet we refer to our presidents as “levonik”, “robertik” and “serzhik”. Amot!! Hazar amot!! Is it because those overlords had big *** swords and ours‘ don‘t? Yeah, yeah! Let’s gloat in the glory that the likes of Sinan were Christian Armenians. How many Christian Armenian Churches did he design? How many mosques? How many churches did he convert to mosques?*** Did Akob Dilachar modernize the Armenian script? *** Yes, we salivate at the mere mention of Sinan. A quote from below; Translation. "By the order of sultan suleyman , he converted so many churches to mosques, particularly those in the region of Aleppo." ----

déjà vu all over again. Over a hundred years ago Armenians of the eastern provinces of Armenia, like Kharberd and Sebastia moved west in droves to places like stanbol and beyond. And, who do you think filled the void? Who do you think will fill the void created by all this migration to the west and north? Hint. Not Diasporan Armenians. Guess again. Not Armen Armenian but mehmet alioghlu. If those idiots cannot win the hot war YET, they will eventually win the cold war of demographics. Talk is cheap. Don’t look at me. So. Who among us is repatriating to Aparan? Once again, join me in singing this- Օտարութիւն այսքան տարով, Կ’ուլամ կարոտով կարոտով, Մեր խնդիրքը լուծուի շուտով Համբերէ հոգիս համբերէ: Yeah, yeah we know all about the Ari Tun program. How many did? If Ms. Hranush did not have that well paying job of Minister of Diaspora, how long would it be before she also emigrated? If and when Ari Tun happens, when 5 million diasporan western Armenians resettle will she spell her surname to HagopIan, Յակոբեան and will Mr. Serzh rename himself SargIs SargIsIan/ Սարգիսեան? When is the last time you heard this slogan- “Russia wants Armenia, but without Armenians”? ---- http://www.armenianow.com/social/27994/armenia_emigration_russia http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/migration_armenia.jpg

And now. To get back to the main issue of this topic. The world is divided into two, fifty- fifty. There are those who love Cilantro and those absolutely hate it. I wish I could find that article by Aris Sevag who spared no word to express his disdain of the herb. Only next to his disdain of Khash. Btw. I have no idea what cilantro tastes like, or even if I have eaten it. On page 153 we read http://books.google.com/books?id=0oXYX9Qzx9oC&printsec=frontcover&dq=armenian+food+petrosian&source=bl&ots=f4Xu6lI1N1&sig=HeyAwez0VLLMyZ0EEjqIaVpk0C8&hl=en&ei=KY8aTabmD4us8AaK9InsBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false The great mystery. I don’t know if the authors are talking about the green plant or its fruit/seed. Btw.Համեմ/ Hamem is a generic term to generally mean “spice”. See “ham/taste’. “hamov hotov- tasty aromatic. Some call Cilantro “Chinese Parsley”. Why don’ t we call it “Zimbabweian Parsley”? Only if those clowns in Armenia know that the Armenian word for parsley is Ազատքեղ/Azatqegh, not “magtanos”. Neither it is “petroushka” from the Latin “petrosilium”. When will the natives of Yerevan learn to speak Armenian? Why did they headline the article as “Cilantro- Coriander? Cilantro is the green part and Coriander ids the fruit/seed. I will stop here as the rest has little relevance to the subject at hand. As to how a certain Chinese restaurant had gone out of business due to lack of interest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/cilant2b.gif http://www.countryliving.com/cm/countryliving/images/cilantro-de.jpg

We will take a break and watch the "dolma wars”. Where is Shahan to once again to teach us the art of "shooting onself in the foot". Above I stated that I don’t want to get into furkish etymology. Yet see to what lengths we are going and in the process making fools of ourselves . Shooting ourselves in the "food" , I meant "foot". Some of us are so “FULL”(note that we are talking about a furkish word that means "fill") of it that our eyes are turning BROWN. How about that so callled chef stick to the art of how to khorvel one's rump roast and stay out of linguistics, before he makes a further ass of himself. Here are two articles from AZG. This is comment -letter to the editor; http://www.azg.am/AM/2011030220 Here is a lengthy editorial in response to above; In response to this; http://www.azg.am/AM/2011022426 See to what ridiculous lengths we are going and making fools of ourselves and the laughing stock of the world. We had spoken about this as how some of will make asses of ourselves insisting that “dolma” is an old Urartuan “toli” word meaning grave(leaf)., in spite of the fact “dolma” is spelled with a D , not T. The reason for the confusion is that the WA-s spelled it as ՏՈԼՄԱ which in EA re-transliteration to Latin turned “tolma”. Just like when Baron/Բարոն became Պարոն in stambol which in turn became Paron in Yerevan. And in reverse when "բարեւ /barev" became "փարեվ/parev" in stnabol. Above the editors adequately respond that, first off , linguistically speaking “dolma” is not this. This is “sarma-patouk“. Where do Armenians and Persians tell us that this is “dolma“?; http://www.imegaservice.com/modules/armenia/images/1238856464.jpg This is “dolma”, stuffed/filled vegetables. http://ianyanmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/img_0438.jpg

First an anecdote. --- One hot summer day Qaj Nazar was traveling from one village to the next. He became very thirsty. AH! He remembered that he had brought a watermelon along. He ate the meat, and quenching his thirst threw the rinds away, and for good measure he urinated on it. Soon he became thirsty again. He went to the discarded rinds, and … “ It has touched this, it has not touched this/Ասոր դպել է, ասորց չի դպել” , and he ate it all. http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/watermelon-3.jpg On page 143 , under the main topic of Fruits we see this amusing article. ---- WATERMELON AS MEDICINE ՁՄԵՐՈՒԿԸ ԻԲՐ ԴԵՂ In Aleppo the watermelon is known as (el)jebes الجبس The melon is battikh. While in other dialects, as in Lebanon the watermelon is known as battikh and the melon -shmmam(smelly). Obviously because it smells. At times some Arabs have called the watermelon “battikh ahmar”- red melon. بطيخ أحمر (الرقي أو الركي أو بالدلاح أو بالدلاع أو الجبس بطيخ ---- Why do the Persians call the watermelon “hindivaneh”. همرواهنه The watermelon is a native African fruit. Were they reading Khorenatsi who does not know the difference between Ethiopia and India? Whareas the (homegrown)Watermelon in Syria would be oblong; http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/watermelon-580x437.jpg http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D5%B1%D5%B4%D5%A5%D6%80%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%AF No. ՁՄԵՐՈՒԿ is not Ձմեռ Պապիկ -Santa Claus. I Lebanon it would be spherical. Turns out it came from Egypt; http://www.growingproduce.com/articles/image/AVG/2008/December/Hazera%20Seeds,%20Inc_/extazy-high1.jpg And when we look up the etymology of Սեխ/Sekh/Melon, with no conclusive evidence we are referred to the bible… http://www.worldcommunitycookbook.org/season/guide/photos/melons.jpg Whareas the (homegrown)Watermelon in Syria would be oblong; http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/watermelon-580x437.jpg http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D5%B1%D5%B4%D5%A5%D6%80%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%AF Etymology In Lebanon it would be spherical. Turns out it came from Egypt; http://www.abetterbagofgroceries.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/round-watermelon.jpg

What is the present population? Daily we hear that the population is 3.5 million, frozen since soviet times. Below the PM says that 1.1 million have emigrated between 1992 and 2010 What is the truth? Emigrate/Արտագաղթ means to move out, and immigrte/Ներգաղթ means to move in, while migration/Գաղթ (For those who speak armiansky-Միգրացիա) is neutral it can be in either direction. ------ http://news.am/eng/news/49439.html

Btw. Lest you think that the church they show in video #1 at 2.54 minutes is in Armenia. It is the Holy Trinity Armenian Church in Fresno, an affiliate of the Prelacy. http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/9ac5499/en/fixed/470/352/The_Holy_Trinity_Armenian_Apostolic_Church_in_Fresno%252C_California.jpg?format=jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/The_Holy_Trinity_Armenian_Apostolic_Church_in_Fresno,_California.jpg

Thank you Yervant. I am kind of familiar with those "buttons".I wrote after I tried every trick I know, I don't know much, I even tried to reset the audio volume of my set to no avail. At other times, I have to reduce the volume when it turns to a scream.

ԾԻՐԱՆԻ ԱՌԻՒԾԵՆԻ Tsirani, rhymes with Aryutseni Let’s take another look at the subject. Sometime ago when we were talking about the colors of the Tricolor, we had many skeptical comments, one that stands out is when one of us said that the third color “tsirani” was “fruity”. Granted. Even if the color of tsiran in fact means “golden” from the phlv. “Zar=gold”. OK. How about if we suggest that that color is in fact the color of the lion’s coat? At another time we also spoke about why the coat of arms of many ME nations, including the Armenian depict the lion. Turned out that several thousand years ago there were lions in those lands which eventually became extinct and restricted to Africa. It is a well known fact that the royal regalia of Armenia was the color of the Apricot . What if that color was in fact that of the Lion’s coat? http://lionkingdom.nl/picmale4.jpg If there were no lions in Armenia why was Mher nicknamed Aryuts , and the#1 student of Mesrop, his biographer named Կորիւն-Koryun- Lion’s cub? http://www.photographytips.com/images/8lion-cub-mara.jpg Aryuts Mher; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=20798 http://www.abrilbooks.com/media/images/products/762f5bff-4694-49bb-af31-ec164d37dedc-7.gif Levon- Lion. Here we asked why the Lion is pictured in many Armenian Coats of Arms; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=20799&st=0&p=257483&hl=levon&fromsearch=1entry257483 Lion-Coat of Arms; http://www.1uptravel.com/flag/images/a/am).gif Here we saw why the Color of Apricot became the Armenian Royal color. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=20798&pid=257563&st=0entry257563 http://www.junglewalk.com/animal-pictures/4/African-Lion-132.jpg http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/004/cache/african-lion-male_436_600x450.jpg A quote from above; Please note that all these are dressed in some shade of the Apricot. King Hethum; http://www.gandzasar.com/assets/principality-of-khachen/king-hetum-i-of-the-armenian-kingdom-of-cilicia.jpg Levon I. Why was he named Levon/Leo/Leon/Lion?; http://www.hayastan.com/armenia/history/armenia/files/levon1.gif Abgar; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Abgarwithimageofedessa10thcentury.jpg When it comes to ԱՌԻՒԾ/aryouts to mean lion it is relatively easy, as it is a word based of sound “roar”. The English “lion” is from the Greek “leon/leo” , just like the Armenian ԼԵՒՈՆLEVON/ ՂԵՒՈՆԴ-GHEVOND/.Leondos/Leonides. http://lionkingdom.nl/picmale4.jpg Lion Meaning. Baby Names & Meanings. What Does Lion Mean? Here is a surprise; In the Arabic, the lion , beside “esed” is also known as “laith” Why? لیث **** Note that in Perso_Arabic “saffar” means “coppersmith”. Does “safarian” mean coppersmith. Forget that “bakherji-ian”. How did “copper” turn to “bakher” in that damn language? I looks like the reverse of “copper”. Here is the puzzle. What does “ԿՈՐԻՒՆkoryoun” mean? There are many suggestion about the origin of the word, all the way from Georgian and Chechen, yet the suggestion that is from Greek Korow/Κορος is dismissed, as, if it were then the Armenian word would have been “կորբ/korb”. Is the latest fad of naming our boys GOR a diminution from GOR-youn? How do those named “GOR” spell their names in the Yerevan orthography? Where is our friend Gor Gor. Is he կ’երթամ կորto to the կոր կոր land? http://loosavor.org/pics/armenianbooks/6/mesrop%20mashtots%202%20small.jpg http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%BF%D5%B8%D6%80%D5%B5%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B6