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We have not yet heard from Armenia if they had felt the tremor. Every time I hear about earthquakes I cringe, feel like hiding under a rock. I feel like hanging my head in shame every time I hear about earthquakes, specially those in the neighborhood I have horrible flashbacks. Some recent earthquakes in the neighborhood like Iran India et al, ten times powerful than that in Spitak where only a dozen are killed… Every December 7 we gather, we weep and cry, we sing Der Voghormia. The DER/God , the Creator had nothing to do with the disaster. It was those corrupt “creatures”. I would much rather chant DEATH TO THE CORRUPT APARATCHIK AND CHINOVNIK!!! Has anything changed? Are those “houses of cards” in Yerevan and Gumri being built per code? http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_368/1235320483A1Y50Q.jpg http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_368/1235320483A1Y50Q.jpg Once again please. Can we stop passing the buck and blaming the corrupt Soviet culture? I am sure there have been even bigger tremors in Russia and other Soviet lands where only a handful have perished. The houses of card, built with sand were planned and built by our own (soviet) corrupt and robber Armenian brothers Were any of those corrupt thieves, architects , contractors, masons and laborers brought to justice? Some of them may still be alive. The Earthquake in Armenia had a magnitude of 6.9 on the Richter scale. The one in Van is supposed to be 7.2-7.3. How much more powerful is it? http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/23/world/europe/turkey-earthquake/?hpt=wo_c2 --

Don’t no one even dare tell her At the Vlad Bank Nvard's a teller When she becomes powerful presidenk She’ll change the name to...Nvard's Khozok-Vostok Piggy Bank. http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/rppQnD9ombcgk5BFFHAzvl4OGYdPhRmqu8VRB5o-Kn75vURmBhCB-qnMN7LyMa_NHepQ1dfYKk0rf8RGin9c9SSUWj1a0F4EKPrfVxXn6XB6BY-aw1MbJzF4JJP7VONaLbcHc2m1KBiUDoDfTMoZp3U-I36Nfe38sU6guRrugQD2C5OS4J1OGqjqpFGcWC-ebjO7CBEgsR_VuetD1a0c

Let us transpose this from Language and see; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=33850&pid=285455&st=0entry285455 Most ironic is that the below conference is held in the most corrupt den of wolves -”istanbok”. http://hetq.am/eng/news/5588/ Above we also assumed that corruption is most prevalent in Eastern Cultures. See below the participants, all the way from Albania to Uzbekistan. This is not to say that there is no corruption in Europe, America , North , South and the Far East. Oddly enough there is no mention of the so called Arabic. Persian, Urdu and Hindi speaking countries. --- Once again to reiterate- “Laws are made to be broken”. Who will BREAK the FINGERS and CUT the HANDS of those criminals? Who has a cleaner HAND? Above we saw a summary of the SA Criminal code about Corruption. See Page 76 ++ here for the current one; http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/17/30/48908372.pdf

ԿԱՇԱՌԱԿԵՐՈՒԹԻՒՆ Bribery- the Law. An old adage goes- “Laws are made to be broken”. The following is from the SAE-Hanragitaran that was written towards the end of the Soviet era. We don’t know the current law. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=33835&pid=285435&st=0entry285435 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18873&pid=285410&st=180entry285410 The criminal code, and the punishments. We will continue in English. The above quote. The verdict-punishment. The receiver/bribee , if found guilty will be sentenced to 3-5 years of jail, confiscation of all property, if found that it is a repeat offence they may be sentenced to 8-15 years, exile and even a death sentence. The go-between facilitator will get 7-15 years and confiscation of property. Unless they are above and beyond the Law, i.e the Lawmaker, judge or police. The briber, if found guilty, 3-8 years. However, if it is proven (depending on previous convictions) that they were forced and coerced they will be set free. A the above article has an aside implying that the disease is practically absent in the Soviet society, that it is primarily a disease of the Bourgeois/Imperialistic regimes. See under-“Կոռուպցիա”. As to ՅԱՆՑԱՆՔ /Guilt; http://hyeforum.com/...showtopic=18876 You didn’t ask, but once again from the Hanragitaran Holier than thou? More Catholic than the Pope? See how it is all blamed on the imperialistic bourgeois society. Քաքոտը ցեխոտին է ծիծաղում: As always, they don't even have the courage to use the Armenian words like pttats/decayed, nekhats//rotten,hotats/smelly”:puh: etc instead they hide behind such obscure Latin words like corrouptsia/corruption. when no one knows the real meaning. The above monograph is not even worth a“bag of beans/lobi/լոբի”. http://static4.depositphotos.com/1011084/306/i/450/dep_3061619-Small-bag-of-beans.jpg Here is what one produces after eating a “bag of lobi beans” http://www.wayodd.com/noindex2/funny-pictures-flaming-farts-1c4.jpg **Where do they get the idea that “corruption” means “այլասերում” which in fact means “alienation”. If we were to go by the Latin/English to “rot” the Armenian would be “փտտիլ/ նեխիլ/նեխում”. ***Haha-Hehe! I thought լոբի/ lobi/լուբիա meant “bean/fasulia”.**** **** At one time some said it is from the Russo-Georgian.. See #s 11 and 12 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=13516&st=0

ԿԱՇԱՌԱԿԵՐԱՆՔԻ ՄՇԱԿՈՅԹԸ ՄԵՐ ՈՍԿՈՐԻՆ ԵՒ ԾՈՒԾԻՆ ՄԷՋ Է ԴՐՈՇՄՈՒԵԼ For every bribee there is a briber. The culture of bribery has been etched in our very bones and marrows. When will this stop? Can we stop the art of "passing the buck"? Please stop blaming the Soviet era. Bribery is an accepted practice in the Middle East. Why is it that we learned the art of bribery from the Soviets and not the art of conquest and empire building? Look at the map of Russia, the largest country of the world, 6,592,800 sq mi. As large as China-3, 606, 100 and the US - 3,618.770 put together. Not only that, it has pervaded into our most sacred and noble institutions like the military and medicine. Below we don’t see the motive of this crime. Given that the perpetrator is a military psychiatrist, was it to have him one’s son classify as psychologically unfit for military service? Besides, where does one get $2000? At the current rate of $1=400 Drams, it will amount to 800,000 in the least. Can Armenians count so many Drams, i.e passed the number “qarsoun”? --- Also see this “bribe-կաշառ; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=33850&st=0&p=280826&hl=bribe&fromsearch=1entry280826 --- http://news.am/eng/news/78320.html http://news.am/pic/news/78320.jpg -----

That is hilarious Nvard! You keep it up and we will crown you the Queeen of Qomedy. http://www.clipartreview.com/_images_300/A_beauty_queen_winning_a_competition_101113-184059-859009.jpg

In another post- Comedistan we saw her. Here is/was Anahit Tsi***kian. No laughing matter; http://www.anahittsitsikian.com/ Click on the Bio and more in the side bar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdQ6b6lhfLQ

That play by Baronian is the latest craze, playing all the way from the Baronian Theater in Yerevan and many other Armenian communities around the world. Does anyone have access to its text? I don’t, neither can I find it on the net. I understand that it is full of gender-sexist innuendoes. Is it like “Baron Pilikian" or "Tikin Tsitsikian"? Like this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdQ6b6lhfLQ http://www.youtube.com/user/AnahitFoundation#p/a/u/2/ueflVO4iLNw

HAHA HEHE BEWARE of the Armenian Empire. I mean DON’T WEAR designs by Giorgio Emporio Armani by Gevorg Armenian, or is it Armen Gevorgian?. http://news.am/pic/news/78152.jpg http://news.am/pic/news/78152.jpg I just heard that in Armenia it is a capital crime, punishable by death to drink “"furkush kafe"”. http://www.myarmeniangifts.com/catalog/pink%20n%20blue%20demitasse%20cups%20001.JPG http://www.myarmeniangifts.com/catalog/pink%20n%20blue%20demitasse%20cups%20001.JPG http://news.am/eng/news/78152.html

My apologies for the length of the following. It is worth a read. Maybe now we will be convinced that the furkish name of our SACRED MOUNTAIN comes from AGORI. To see the original article with pictures here, PP 8 and 9; mirrorspectator To not forget why Abovian became such an HERETIC and eventually murdered. Ararat Redux Abovian, Prof. Parrot and First Ascent By Philip P. Ketchian The history of Mount Ararat abounds with accounts of explorers and adventurers taking up the challenge of scaling its fabled summit. Absent, however, are any signs of abatement in the interest and the controversy surrounding its first ascent that would dog Prof. Friedrich Parrot and Khatchadur Abovian to the end of their days, as evidenced by Edward Peck’s article, “Ararat: Another Controversial First Ascent,” published in the British Alpine Journal (2002, Vol. 107, pp. 207-215). I would like to take this opportunity to introduce some additional information that may inject some clarity into the subject from sources that exist only in the Russian and the Armenian languages. It will be seen that the long-forgotten account of the Russian adventurer Spassky- Avtonomov confirms Parrot’s successful pioneering first ascent of the peak. As is well known, it was only on their third attempt on October 9 (September 27, by the Old Style Julian calendar), 1829, that University of Dorpat (presently Tartu, Estonia) physics professor, Friedrich Parrot, and Khatchadur Abovian, together with two Armenian villagers from Agori on Mt. Ararat, Hovannes Aivazian and Murat Boghossian, as well as two Russian soldiers, Alexei Zdorovenko and Matvei Chalpanov, successfully ascended the western summit of Mt. Ararat at 16,854 feet (5,937 meters) above sea level. Parrot had met Abovian at Echmiadzin, the seat of the Armenian Church, where he was employed as a clerk and translator to the catholicos, the head of the Armenian Church. Parrot’s report of the successful ascent was first published on October 30 in the Russian language weekly, Tiflis Chronicles. The full account of the expedition appeared in his book, Reise zum Ararat in 1834, translated into English in 1845 as Journey to Ararat. In his book, Parrot writes that the controversy was given credibility by an article appearing in 1831 in the Tiflis Chronicles in which “… a man belonging to the educated European public, a man of merit in his way ... was the first to cast a stone against me, and in a published commentary to insist on the impossibility of the fact asserted by me.” Parrot did respond in writing to the charges in the Tiflis Chronicles and also initiated an action to take sworn depositions from the members of his summitting party and from the Agori village chief Stepan Khojiants, who had accompanied Parrot on his unsuccessful second attempt a week earlier where they had reached a respectable altitude of 16,028 feet, and where they had erected a wooden cross bearing a lead plaque. The deposition from Melik Stepan Aga (Stepan Khojiants) was taken on October 24, 1831. His statement was mostly inconsequential to the matter at hand, since he did not participate in the third attempt. However, his secondhand comments on the cross erected during the third attempt being placed “…in respect to distance not higher than the first,” was only partially correct and contributed to setting a negative spin. That cross was deliberately not placed on the actual summit pyramid by Abovian, but somewhat lower in a location to be better observed from Agori. Villager Murat Poghossian was questioned three days later. He stated, “We were not on the very summit, and could not get there, because further on there is no snow lying, but only ice; and besides, the steepness of the slope allows no further progress.” This statement reaches us after being translated from Armenian into Russian, into German and finally into English and is what doubters cling to as proof of their arguments. Nevertheless, it appears that Aivazian was uncomfortable with the turn of events but reluctantly concurred with Poghossian. Hovannes Aivazian’s deposition is said to be “simply confirmatory of his comrade’s.” Be that as it may, Abovian had noted in his diary that some days following the successful ascent, Aivazian and Boghossian had approached him to voice their concern regarding the disbelief and harassment that they were being subjected to by some officials and clergymen for claiming to have climbed to the summit. They also mentioned being concerned for their safety, insisting that if this continued, they could be pressured to renege on the truth if they did not receive adequate protection from the authorities. It is not clear whether Abovian related these concerns to Parrot, although it appears not. Thus the stage had been set for what eventually occurred. The two Russian soldiers Zdorovenko and Chalpanov, however, were under no such pressure and did confirm the fact of reaching the summit. On November 2, 1831, Chalpanov stated, “I was, in fact, with Professor Parrot on the top of Mount Ararat in the month of September, 1829.” Zdorovenko’s statement was “…exactly similar in all points to that given above.” Ultimately, it is Abovian’s statement that is of prime importance to the matter at hand, for he was highly intelligent and educated, as well as the one in a position to provide the authorities with a credible and factual account of the events of the day. Abovian presented himself at the courthouse in Dorpat, where he was studying, on August 30, 1831. Asked whether he had personally been on the summit of Ararat with Parrot on October 9, 1829, Abovian emphatically answered, “Yes.” To the second question, asking from where the expedition started, Abovian responded that they had set out from the Monastery of St. Jacob, which was located at an elevation of 6,375 feet, and reached the top of the summit on the following day. Another question asked was at what time they had been on the summit; to which Abovian replied, “In the afternoon.” Finally, he was asked what they had done on the summit. Abovian related that he had erected a cross while Parrot, standing on the very top of the peak, took measurements with his scientific instruments. It is, however, unclear why Abovian’s official deposition was not included in Parrot’s Reise zum Ararat in 1834, for they were both in Dorpat and had close personal relations at the time. He thereby missed an opportunity to put an end to the quibbling that would follow. Abovian’s deposition was eventually published in St. Petersburgische Zeitung in 1835. Soon after the climb, Abovian would write about the final push as follows: “We had been mercilessly suffering such various difficulties that when the pinnacle of the mountain appeared not far from us, each one of us, one after the other, headed in that direction, not taking any notice at the moment of any difficulties and not considering their exhaustion, they were hurrying and hastening to see the spot desired by so many. It appeared as if we were winging up the slope to the sky, toward where the summit was. Our hopeless legs and wobbly knees had gained momentum and were soaring upward, toward the astonishing aerie. Wonders came to view, in addition to our joyous desires that led us to rejoice, towards the birthplace of the entire world. Our souls were enveloped with happiness and were overcome by unimaginable gaiety; we began to run about in this and that direction to view the lower-lying valleys and ridges. One was amazed by the height of the mountain, the other was attempting to observe faraway places, and words of gratitude and blessing were pouring forth in our dialect from their mouths.” Abovian’s first and repeat ascents of Ararat, in addition to his subsequent first ascent of 13,435 ft. (4,095 meters) Mt. Aragats while accompanying University of Munich’s Prof. Moritz Wagner, firmly establish him as the father of Armenian mountaineering. After returning to Armenia from his university studies in Dorpat, Abovian established himself as a progressive educator and the premier national man of modern letters. Parrot had met the young Khatchadur Abovian at Echmiadzin. It is interesting that later in 1844 Abovian also accompanied Herrmann von Abich, a professor of mineralogy at the same University of Dorpat as Parrot, to Ararat. They made three unsuccessful attempts together, having been turned back by violent storms just short of the summit. During one of the attempts, they erected a cross short of the summit. The following year, however, Abich, accompanied by Peter Sharoyan, a student of Abovian’s, and two other Armenian guides, was successful in ascending the eastern summit. One of his guides was Simon Sarkisian. Abovian was, nevertheless, destined to successfully ascend Ararat once more. This time he did it together with the Englishman Henry Danby Seymour and Simon Sarkisian on September 30, 1846. Sarkisian was a survivor of the 1840 Agori avalanche and would summit for the third time with the massive 68-member expedition organized by the Russian Army topographer, Col. Iosif Khodzko, in 1850. His fourth attempt at ascending was in 1878, while guiding another Englishman, George Percival Baker. This time the now 90-year-old Sarkisian was forced to turn back short of the summit. Baker continued on to successfully ascend the peak on August 7. It is also of interest that a dozen years later Abich’s cross was discovered by the Englishmen Maj. Robert Stuart and Walter Thursby on their way up to the summit on August 14, 1856. Three of their companions had summitted two days earlier. “About 1,200 feet from the summit, we came upon an oak cross that had been fixed by Professor Abich,” Stuart wrote. He speculated, “Professor Abich made several attempts, but failed in all, as is proved by the position of the cross…” Not being familiar with the history of the mountain, Stuart mistakenly assumed that they were the first. To shed more light on the matter one must seek out the Russian and Armenian sources. One such invaluable source is an article by E. G. Weidenbaum, “Greater Ararat: and Attempts to Climb Its Summit,” published in the Transactions of the Caucasus Branch of the Imperial Russian Geographic Society (vol. xiii, 1884). According to Weidenbaum’s account, one year after Parrot’s ascent, Ivan Shopen, the chairman of the Incomes and Properties Department of the Province of Armenia, expressed doubts concerning the veracity of Parrot’s announcement of reaching the summit of Ararat. Thus we learn the identity of Parrot’s principle tormentor, whom he had described as “… a man belonging to the educated European public, a man of merit in his way — one who on account of his long residence in those countries possesses undoubted claims to confidence in his local knowledge.” Weidenbaum also mentions Karl Kokh, a noted botanist, who was personally acquainted with both Parrot and Shopen. Kokh opined that “jealousy was the principle reason for Shopen to question the veracity of Parrot’s statements, in view of the fact that he himself had made two attempts at climbing Ararat, and both times experienced total failure.” He continues to say that Shopen’s portly body was hardly suited for such an endeavor, in contrast to the athletic build of Parrot. Another such skeptic was the postmaster of Yerevan, Artem Kalantarian. He was to hound Abovian into agreeing on a wager to climb Ararat once again to prove it possible. Before that could take place, regrettably, one day in April of 1848, Abovian left his home and mysteriously disappeared. No trace of him has ever been found. In any event, the most conclusive evidence of Parrot’s achievement is to be found buried in the pages of a book by Kozma Spassky- Avtonomov, The Ascent of Ararat, published in Moscow in 1839. Spassky-Avtonomov’s was only the second expedition to successfully summit Ararat in 1834. His account also dispels the mistaken notion of most chroniclers that Spassky-Avtonomov may have only ascended the lower eastern summit pyramid or even not reached the summit at all. As a matter of fact, he climbed both summits. In that endeavor he was fortunate to be assisted by two Armenian guides from Agori, Hovannes Aivazian who had also accompanied Parrot on his successful third attempt and proven so helpful to him, and Yeghdar Ghougassian. The Armenian village of Agori was situated at an elevation of approximately 4,000 feet above sea level at the base of the Agori Gorge on the northern slope of the mountain. This was prior to 1840 when a powerful earthquake violently shook the mountain, triggering a catastrophic avalanche that totally destroyed the village and the monastery, and buried all its inhabitants under a massive layer of rock and ice. I believe that the Turkish name Agri Dag for Mt. Ararat is derived from the name of this Armenian village. Aivazian confidently guided them to where Parrot had bivouacked on the first night of their third attempt. The following morning Aivazian directed them to the cross on the dome plateau that Parrot had erected at 16,028 feet, the high point of his second attempt. The trio continued to climb atop the snowcap toward the eastern summit pyramid, which they soon successfully ascended. Following a relaxing lunch break in the saddle between the two summits, they headed toward the western summit. As the climbers ascended the higher western summit pyramid, Aivazian suddenly shouted out to Spassky-Avtonomov that this was where Parrot had stood. Thereby prompting him to write, “for myself at least, it became clear why the guide Aivazian initially had stated to me that the professor had not been on the summit, but later began to insist that he had been; he, as all Agori residents, considered the main summit of Masis (Armenian for Ararat) to be the eastern peak. Therefore, for Aivazian the professor had not been on Masis, when he had been only on the western peak.” The eastern summit is a mere 50 feet lower than the true western summit; however, Agori villagers and, in fact, all observers from the north side of the mountain view the closer eastern pyramid to be the higher of the two due to the trick played by perspective on observers some 14,000 feet below. Having seen the mountain from the north, I too had been under that impression. But my July 19, 2003, successful summiting up the southern route with a British expedition dispelled the confusion and also exposed me to Ararat’s unique beauty and the spell it casts upon its admirers. A mere five years had separated the first two ascents. Spassky-Avtonomov had been fortunate to share the able services of Parrot’s guide Aivazian, who was a participant and eyewitness of both successful summit ascents. His spontaneous, unsolicited declaration atop the true summit must be accepted as proof positive that Parrot and his party did indeed summit Ararat in 1829. The proof had been there for all to see, but inaccessible to most chroniclers on account of the rarity of Spassky-Avtonomov’s text. It is my firm belief that this information should lay to rest any lingering questions and doubts surrounding Parrot’s truly spectacular achievement, for his ascent was one of the highest of any human to date. (Philip Ketchian is a retired physicist, who climbed Mount Ararat with a British Expeditionary Group and his wife, Elsa Ronningstam Ketchian, in July 2003.)

WACKY WALL Do those idiots know that a wall has two sides? Walling oneself into a corner. First there was the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain. And of course, the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem. http://www.levitt.com/slideshow/s01p05.jpg Speaking of which , here is the Whining Wall. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=13496&pid=164241&st=0entry164241 Who knows what “shooting oneself in the foot” means? http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/tcr/lowres/tcrn155l.jpg http://tert.am/en/news/2011/10/14/kharabakh-wall/ What building material are they using. Lego Blocks? http://tert.am/g_image.php?id=177644&tmb=3

A DROP OF HONEY How sweet it is!! Ոհ! Ինչ համով է!! Ոհ! Ինչ թանկ է!! http://www.buyfresh.org/images/neharvest/honey3.jpg Հովհաննես Թումանեան ՄԻ ԿԱԹԻԼ ՄԵՂՐ http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21796 http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/bee-story.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/bee-story.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/news/32380/every_drop_is_precious --- Add this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=31054&st=0&p=276349&hl=honey&fromsearch=1entry276349 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=19489&st=0&p=254736&hl=honey&fromsearch=1entry254736 --- BTW. What is մեղրահաւ meghrahav/մեղրաթրչնիկ meghratrchnik? Is it this-Hummingbird? http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/005/cache/hummingbird_579_600x450.jpg One dictionary says it կոլիբրի colibri and another- հծծահաւ.Do they mean բզզահաւ??

Dear Ani. You are basing the above “կալ կալանել ձերբակալել” to arrest/imprison.. To seize, to arrest. And when you say “պարտական եմ- indepted “ you are right. Just like in մեղապարտ/ guilty/sinful. http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%80%D5%A1%D5%AF%D5%B8%D5%A2_%D5%84%D5%A5%D5%B2%D5%A1%D5%BA%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%BF In some versions the word is “trespass” and in others “debts/պարտք”. Trespass; --- Debt;

Thank you all who urged me to delve into the subject. It goes deeper. Another subject? Անի, շնորհակալ, կամ աւելի ճիշտ շնորհընկալ means “I am receiver/acceptor of your grace”. See samples by Shnorhali below. **It is interesting how “favored” is translated as “շնորհընկալ” Another version from grabar= “Խոհանոց”- ը իրաւի խոխանոց/ խորխանոց է : Տես http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9652&st=0&p=108410&hl=kitchen&fromsearch=1entry108410 My above comment was in response to this. Quote]-Anoushik=Qeznic? Te qezanic? Sorry Nane, As above I was responding to Anoushik’s . I had overlooked your question about ՔԵԶ. However it would not fit the phrase since ՔԵԶ is a subject, or is it the object of the verb, like in “I love YOU/Սիրեմ ՔեԶ”. ==== http://www.armenianchurch.org/index.jsp?sid=1&id=12805&pid=12804Գ Գ Հայր երկնաւոր Աստուած ճշմարիտ, որ առաքեցեր զորդիդ քո սիրելի ի խնդիր մոլորեալ ոչխարին, մեղայ յերկինս եւ առաջի քո, ընկալ զիս որպես զանառակ որդին, եւ զգեցո ինձ զպատմուճանն զառաջին զոր մերկացայ մեղօք. եւ ողորմեա քո արարածոց եւ ինձ բազմամեղիս: ----- http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17791 Ընկալ զիս, գթած Ընկալ ողորմած, Ընկալ մարդասէր: PS. “Ընկալել and “ակնկլաել” Would be a whole other interesting subject ---- Addendum, Some synonyms. BTW, In the Soukiasian Bararan there are about 60 entries all based on “շնորհ” =պարգեւ=gift.

Խնդրեմ Սիրուն Նանէ , կրկին կարդալ թէ ինչ է ասուել այդ բառի մասին: Ես արդեն հայդայտեցի մի քանի նախկին թելեր: Խնդրեմ, ինձ մի ստիպեր գրել թէ մենք որքան բիրտ/rude ժողովուրդ ենք եղել եւ չունեցել ազնիւ բառեր նման շնորհ -grace/grazia/thաnk you and հաճիս/ please,հաճոյք plaisir-"If it please you. please and s'il vous plais". Եւ թարգմանաբար փոխ ենք արել Եւրոպական լեզուներից: Նոյնիսկ մեր դրացի "վայրի/savage" Արաբները եւ Պարսիկները բնիկ բառեր ունեն: "lutfan"= kindly and "shukran"=with praise. Allah shukur=Praise the Lawd!!!

NINETY LASHES? This is gender discrimation when males receive only 40 and females- 90. Hey Yervant . Where have you been since you wrote this here,hehe; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17935&st=240 What do you know! It is not forty or fifty lashes/քարսուն մտրակ. It is INFLATION!! Flaggelation and conflagrationt .It is now NINETY.. When will it be 100 lashes? Those mullahs whose “flags” protrude between their legs should be surgically reconstructed/and radically (their word as in radically Islam) recircumcized. http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201110/3336638.htm?desktop Hey Yervant!! Whatever happened to “forty lashes/qarsun mtraki harvats/Քառսուն Մտրակի Հարուած? And note. Those with the caning whips are dressed in western style shirts and pants, not like mullahs in their stupid robes. http://i.news.am/i/b/a/af286537e5a1e873ae29b0c2160dd6bb.jpg http://news.am/en/news/12228.html Ah!!! Where have you been ? Have you heard of “flagellation inflation”?

And this by Anoushik Please don’t ask me such questions and expect a two- word answer. With much gratitude I received your message . Բազում շնորհակակա կուկութիւններով ՔԵԶԱՆԻՑ ստացայ վերի պատգամը: ՔԵԶՆԻՑ զատ/ուրիշ սէր չունեմ: Can we make it any longer? I will not dwell on that nonsensical phrase here. We have spoken about it on several occasions. Search the Forum using “grazia” as your key word and see. Here is one; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1604&st=0&p=15459&hl=grazia&fromsearch=1entry15459 We may get back to it and see what it really means and where it comes from. I don’t have a book of grammar neither in Armenian or English and I have forgotten th technical terms for them. Those of us who may have such books may enlighten us. To me it seems like “քեզանից” would be like the English “fom you” and “քեզնից” would like “beside you, other than you”. See some samples below. They may not be the best examples, yet… Where are Harut, Nairi and Johannes? http://lusamut.net/level2_.php?id=17&id_2=289&cat_=1&s=17 From the Narek In the WA vernacular there is no distinction, both terms are incorporated into one as in ՔԵԶՄԷ. Here is a sample from a hymn by Armis/Armenak Misirian, the multitalented, poet, painter musician and Evangelical minister. The above hymn seems to be originally composed by - music -E. Yardumian** and words by S. Eomurian, with the title of Քեզմէ Ի Զատ . No date given. It is from a 1950 edition of an Hymnal. ** Iam not sure if he is the clasical composer Richard Yardumian.

Black Roses? I had never known that , it seems there is such thing. And, just for that here is a bouquet for you, and from now on you will also be known as Sevard ; http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_z4CbdYFed2Q/TUwxph5VAgI/AAAAAAAABI0/DR_923KklT0/s320/black%252Brose.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_z4CbdYFed2Q/TUwxph5VAgI/AAAAAAAABI0/DR_923KklT0/s320/black%252Brose.jpg I did not know about Black Roses but I had known about Black Tulips. http://www.accessniagara.com/blog/media/20050523_black_tulip.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Tulip http://www.online-literature.com/dumas/black_tulip/

Փոքրիկ տղան մի Նւարդ տեսաւ Translated from Goethe by Toumanian Երաժշ.՝ Ռ. Մելիքյանի Փոքրիկ տղան մի վարդ տեսավ, Տեսավ մի վարդ դաշտի միջին: Վարդը տեսավ, ուրախացավ, Մոտիկ վազեց սիրուն վարդին: Սիրուն վարդին, կարմիր վարդին, Կարմիր վարդը դաշտի միջին: Տղան ասավ.- Քեզ կպոկեմ, Ա՛յ կարմիր վարդ դաշտի միջին: Վարդը ասավ.- Տե՛ս կծակեմ, Որ չմոռանաս փշոտ վարդին: Փշոտ վարդին, կարմիր վարդին, Կարմիր վարդը դաշտի միջին: Ու անհամբեր տղան պոկեց, Պոկեց վարդը դաշտի միջին: Փուշը նրա ձեռքը ծակեց, Բայց էլ չօգնեց քնքուշ վարդին: Քնքուշ վարդին, կարմիր վարդին, Կարմիր վարդը դաշտի միջին

Սիրելի Եդուարդ մենք այստեղ Հայերէն ենք խօսում: Այդ քաղցրավենիին անունը Վարդի Անուշ, Վարդանուշ է: http://candytherapy.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/rosepetaljar.jpg Մուրաբբա Արաբերէն է: Even if it comes to us via Persian it is still Arabic based on the grammatical construct. مربا Երանի Երեւանցիները դադարին թուրքերէն խօսելից, նման barishil, poshmanel etc.

Աչերը նուշ խումար է. Ունքերը կեռ կամար է: Who knows this song? Պսակ, պսակ տիկնի պսակ Փեսան եկաւ լիքը քսակ... տիրնանինէ… Էս մեր փեսան շատ անգին է: Բոյը չինար մէջքին քամար Աչերը նուշ, ունքը կամար: http://sp.life123.com/bm.pix/bigstockphoto_beauty_golden-brown_make-up_3692578.s600x600.jpg

Նու- Բար նշանակի Նոր -Պտուղ իսկ մեր Նու- Վարդը, Նոր Վարդ. http://diffusibility.com/diffusibility-pic/rose-9.jpg http://diffusibility.com/diffusibility-pic/rose-9.jpg

No, no Nvard. It wasn't me. It was that Canadian Carnivore Yervant.

Geghouhi Nvard loves Ara Geghetsik. Արա Գեղեցիկ եւ Գեղուհի Նւարդ Aphrodite and Adonis, Nvard and Ara; http://www.phoenician.org/adonis6a.jpg http://www.phoenician.org/adonis6a.jpg http://www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser/AR.html