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Thank you for the video. His name was Aroutin, Artin, Harutiun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayat-Nova Or is it from the Arabic Sayyed=sir, lord? ==== Off topic? This is a whole separate rotten can of worms that we have discussed numerous times’ Please ask him if Stepan is an Armenian name? Which part of Stepan Demrji-(ian) is Armenian? **Wreath- psak. This brings us to that most gloriously popular name RAFFI. Nowadays every other boy is name so. . See # 165 here http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22833&st=160#entry288392 To not forge4t my most “favorite” girls’ name that every other girl in Yerevan is named. If Armenians had brains they would be really dangerous. PS. Is Cafesji-(ian) Armenian?

Gohar Gasparian? I’ve run into her for quite sometime. Who is she? Obviously not this Gohar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gohar_Gasparyab Sayat Nova; and more Komitas Medley;

Dear Mos, you know that I am a dunderhead. I no unstand. Please tell us. The following cliche has never been so graphically illustrated. GNA MERI, ARI SIREM

Let me repeat my question. Why did Flora die in Glendale, not in Gavar? To only her breathless body to move to the Pantheon, the Land of Gods and Godesses. Is hypocrisy an Armenian word? The way we go, the Pantheon, the city of the dead will be bigger than the Land of Armenia. Remember when the Pope Francis said that he wished to buried under a Khachkar?

For those who are still interested in ARMENIAN Culture and Language.** Good News!! Note. I have not yet deciphered their keyboard setup. Mr. abeghovich and leninski please move aside.!! ---- Digitized Dictionaries http://hetq.am/eng/news/26449/haigazian-dictionaries-of-classical-armenian-now-online.html Haigazian dictionaries of Classical Armenian now online 11:31, 14 May, 2013 Los Angeles – May 14, 2013 – Nayiri.com today announced the release of digitized versions of two seminal Classical Armenian dictionaries: Nor Parkirk Haigazian Lezvi (New Dictionary of the Armenian Language, or Haigazian Pararan in short) and the Artsern Pararan Haigaznian Lezvi (Handy Dictionary of the Armenian Language). Both are essential companions to scholars of the Armenian language. Users of Nayiri.com can now search the dictionaries by headword and the corresponding page in the dictionary will be presented. Published in Venice in 1836 and 1837, the monumental 2-volume Haigazian Pararan is considered to be the most complete dictionary of Classical Armenian. The work also goes by the name Yerits Vartabedats Pararan (Dictionary of the Three Masters) in reference to the three members of the Mekhitarist Order who authored the book: Kapriel Avedikian (1784- 1834), Khachadur Surmelian (1750-1827), and Mgrdich Avkerian (1762-1854). In addition to definitions in Armenian, the dictionary presents equivalents in Latin and Greek. The volumes were republished in Yerevan in 1979. Building upon his leadership in authoring the Haigazian Pararan, Father Mgrdich Avkerian also wrote the Artsern Haigazian Pararan, a compact dictionary with a rich lexicon that was published in 1846 in Venice. In 1865 the Mekhitarist Press published a second edition that included 5,000 additional headwords by Father Krikor Jelalian. The digitization of these two works was made possible by the financial support of the Hamazkayin Armenian Educational and Cultural Association. Since 2005, Nayiri.com has been providing electronic tools for the Armenian language, including freely accessible Armenian explanatory and bilingual dictionaries in both Western and Eastern Armenian. In 2010, Nayiri.com partnered with HySpell to provide the most comprehensive Armenian spell-checker for traditional Armenian orthography that includes a lexicon base of 156,000 words and over 5 million inflected forms. Nayiri.com is a free service which relies on the sponsorship of philanthropists, educational foundations, and all who are concerned with the longevity of the Armenian language. The newly digitized dictionaries are available at the following locations: http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=26 http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=34 For a full list of the 15 dictionaries currently available on the site, please see: http://www.nayiri.com/dictionaries.jsp?l=en **Please, let us not talk about Armenian cuisine in furkish, like gogma, gagma and gagsturma.

Wonder if they learned that “art” from those who would cut open pregnant Armenian women’s abdomen? Someone should cut his/their **** so they won’t reproduce anymore monsters. Is BBC the official mouthpiece of the country that advocates sending more deadly weapons to those so called rebels? ------ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22519770

BALD EAGLE The National Bird of the US. See what Johannes said #21 above. http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/000/cache/bald-eagle_1_600x450.jpg http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/000/cache/bald-eagle_1_600x450.jpg We have always assumed bald means hairless/featherless. When, in fact it is from the ME “balled” to mean white-head. Like this-Agassi. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Andre_Agassi_Indian_Wells_2006.jpg http://westernprelacy.org/wp-content/gallery/andreagassi/get-attachment1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia....sion_of_Otranto

Some major news sources and many more. ===== http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/12/pope-francis-catholic-new-saints http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/12/3393636/a-look-at-new-saints-canonized.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/05/12/pope-new-saints.html?cmp=rss http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/catholics-get-hundreds-of-new-saints-with-popes-first-canonization-ceremony-at-vatican/2013/05/12/404f3f38-badc-11e2-b568-6917f6ac6d9d_story.html http://shoebat.com/2013/05/02/pope-francis-to-canonise-christians-martyred-by-ottoman-turks/

How come others news sources are not airing this? Let’s see what mehmeoghlu has to say about it. ===== http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22499327 Pope canonises 800 Italian Ottoman victims of Otranto Pope Francis has proclaimed more saints than any of his predecessors Continue reading the main story Pope Francis has proclaimed the first saints of his pontificate in a ceremony at the Vatican - a list which includes 800 victims of an atrocity carried out by Ottoman soldiers in 1480. They were beheaded in the southern Italian town of Otranto after refusing to convert to Islam. Their names are unknown, apart from one man, Antonio Primaldo. Within two months of taking office, Pope Francis has proclaimed more saints than any of his predecessors. Continue reading the main story Otranto 14 August 1480. The `'Martyrs of Otranto" were 813 Italians beheaded for defying demands by Turkish invaders to renounce Christianity The Turks had been sent by Mohammed II, who had already captured the "second Rome" of Constantinople. His fleet landed in Otranto, Italy's easternmost city, and laid siege Its citizens held out for two weeks, allowing the King of Naples to muster his forces and prevent the fall of Rome Among those canonised on Sunday were two Latin American nuns - Laura Montoya from Colombia and Maria Guadalupe Garcia Zavala from Mexico - who both died in the 20th Century. Colombia's first saint, Mother Laura Montoya dedicated her life to helping indigenous people while the woman named by Pope Francis as Mother "Lupita" sheltered Catholics during a government crackdown against the faith in the 1920s. The Italian "Martyrs of Otranto" were executed after 20,000 Turkish soldiers invaded their town in south-eastern Italy. There was no hint of any anti-Islamic sentiment in the homily that Pope Francis delivered before tens of thousands of worshippers gathered in St Peter's Square, the BBC's David Willey in Rome reports. Tapestries commemorating those being canonised were displayed at the Vatican While it was Francis's predecessor, Pope Benedict, who gave the go ahead for their canonisations, the new pope is continuing the process of honouring a new generation of modern as well as historic martyrs, our correspondent says. Later this month an Italian priest, Fr Giuseppe Puglisi, who was murdered by the Sicilian mafia 20 years ago will be beatified - the last step before being declared a saint.

Yes Im Anush Hayastani A Symphinic choral by Tigran Mansurian How about adopting this as our National Anthem? 　 http://www.yerakouyn.com/?p=27722 　 http://hy.wikisource.org/wiki/%D4%B5%D5%BD_%D5%AB%D5%B4_%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B7_%D5%80%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%BF%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%AB

　 ARMENIA AVENUE in Tampa Florida See the history below, how the original Armina became Armenia in time. I have actually been there. We were driving southwest from Orlando with the intention to drive north on the east coast, and suddenly, as we approached Tampa HUH!! A big sign on the highway Armenia Avenue. Of course we exited. At the time the place was not pretty to say the least. ======== http://www.reporter.am/go/article/2013-04-08-the-story-of-armenia-avenue-in-tampa-florida The story of Armenia Avenue in Tampa, Florida by George Kamajian Published: Monday April 08, 2013 Florida, our nation's third largest state, has long been underrepresented when it comes to organized Armenians. Sure, there has been Hye's basking in the sunshine state for years. The traditional 95 corridor from Boston to Miami sprouted numerous colonies of Armenians from Jacksonville to Ft Lauderdale. Churches soon followed in Miami and Boca with a smattering of a few mission parishes when the Armenian populations were deemed too small to support a church. Although Armenians have made their presence known in Florida business and sports (think Garo Yepremian from the undefeated Miami Dolphins) for years, their numbers are still anemic when compared to Philly, Boston or Detroit. When the Western part of the state opened up with Interstate 75 a funny thing happened. There was an Armenian imprint in Tampa that went beyond anything their brothers and sisters could brag about up north. There, in the middle of downtown Tampa was the landmark Armenia Avenue with a sign as big as any on Interstate 75. A familiar name welcomed weary tourist from up north. How? Who was this powerful, rich or politically connected Armenian that made this happen? Unfortunately, according to the local historical society Armenia has nothing to do with the name of a road in Tampa. "Armenia Avenue was actually originally called Armina Avenue," said Rodney Kite-Powell, the curator of history at the Tampa Bay History Center. Kite-Powell says cigar factories used to line this avenue. There are a lot of streets named after the cigar factories that they were near," Kite-Powell explained. "And so, the Armina cigar factory was right along Armenia -- or Armina -- Avenue." So how'd we get from A-r-m-i-n-a to A-r-m-e-n-i-a? "Somewhere along the line, either a sign painter messed up, or somebody just kept consistently messing up the pronunciation, and Armina became Armenia," Kite-Powell said. Now for the good news....it's going to stay Armenia avenue forever. Editor's note: For a video report on the topic go to http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=134700 ======= Let’s see how many other places we know with Armenian names. Like Nor Marash in Beitut 　 We all know Armenia in Colombia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia,_Colombia Artsakh St. in Watertown Mass. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=12&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=artsakh%20st%20w&pq=artsakh%20st&cp=20&gs_id=14&xhr=t&q=artsakh+st+watertown&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=artsakh+st+watertown&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=1e61410e3402ae44&biw=1004&bih=465 　 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Artsakh_St._Watertown,_MA.JPG <!--url{6}--> ttp://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&gs_rn=12&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=artsakh+s&cp=20&gs_id=26&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45960087,d.dmg&biw=1004&bih=465&q=artsakh+st+watertown&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e377881927d4bb:0x680e34f5782b312a,Artsakh+St,+Watertown,+MA+02472&gl=us&sa=X&ei=y6qDUfrIC9Gj4APT-IHQAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC0Q8gEwAA Ararat in Ausrealia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat,_Victoria To not forget this in my backyard. Kabalian Drive http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/27-Kabalian-Dr-Schenectady-NY-12309/29685923_zpid/ http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Kabalian+Drive%2C+Schenectady%2C+NY&oq=kabalian+drive+&gs_l=serp.1.0.38.23007.28303.0.31407.12.12.0.0.0.5.1482.3687.1j5j4j0j1j7-1.12.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.s_5CCOora_0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=1e61410e3402ae44&biw=1004&bih=465 　 　 　

Above I goofed.I posted the site about Kharberd twice. Here is what I meant. Sebastia/sivas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivas Why do we have families named sivaz-LI-ian but none with Sebastian/Sebasta-TSI-ian? Harbut-LI-ian, but not Kharberd-TSI-IAN?

I wish I could bring better news. Evacuation Vacation? Remember the 19th and the 20th centuries when we abandoned our lands and migrated to Bolis and beyond? Among many, Daniel Varuzhan, Sebastia/Sivas**, Siamanto, Kharberd/Elazig, Grigor Zohrab, Kharberd and many more. And see what happened to them during the Red Massacres (1915), and what will happen during today’s White Massacre. How will we call ourselves Armenian when there will be no more ARMENIA, when mehmet and ali move in to fill the void, when it becomes a suburb of ankakra and boku? Just like when Sebastia became Sivas and Kharberd became Elazig.*** When will Yerevan be renamed allah verdi/god given? ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El%C3%A2z%C4%B1%C4%9F *** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El%C3%A2z%C4%B1%C4%9F ==== PRINCETON, N.J., April 4 Armenians have the greatest wish among those in post-Soviet states to move elsewhere, while Uzbeks have the least, a Gallup poll released Wednesday indicates. Forty percent of Armenians -- almost three times the 15 percent average -- want to move permanently to another country, while 5 percent of people in Uzbekistan, want out, the poll of adults indicated. Armenia is a landlocked, mountainous South Caucasus country between Eastern Europe and Western Asia. Uzbekistan is a landlocked Central Asian country south of Kazakhstan, near Afghanistan. Gallup conducted face-to-face surveys in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and Uzbekistan from 2010 to 2012 and based its results on rolling averages. Fourteen percent of Russians say they want to move, the poll indicated. Most people surveyed say the main reason they want to leave is economic. Fifty-two percent of residents of the 12 former Soviet Union countries surveyed say they want to improve their standard of living or live in a country with a better standard of living, the poll found. Another 10 percent say they want to get a good job or cannot find a job in their own country. More than 1-in-8, or 13 percent, say they're thinking not of their own futures but of their children's in their wish to move. Adults -- defined as people age 15 and older -- in Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan, at 29 percent and 21 percent, respectively, are the most likely to cite their children's future as the main reason they want to migrate to another country. Four percent or fewer list a desire for greater social entitlements such as retirement and medical benefits, stronger human rights, less crime or fewer environmental problems, the poll found. "In contrast to the commonly held belief that reuniting families is one of the most important reasons for migration in the region, Gallup data show that it is not near the top of the list for residents in these 12 countries," Gallup said, indicating an average 3 percent say they want to be closer to family. Those in Central Asian countries, and those age 50 and older, are more likely than others to say they want to move to be closer to family. Gallup said governments in the former Soviet Union should make note of their citizens' concerns. "If countries fail to provide good jobs, many residents in the region may act on their desire to leave their country to find better employment and a better standard of living for themselves and their families," Gallup said. Gallup conducted the survey interviews with 41,072 people age 15 and older in the 12 countries. Of the 4,519 respondents who said they wanted to move to another country permanently, the survey's margin of error is 2 percentage points. The error margin for subgroups is larger, Gallup said. ===== Below we see the last paragraph- We know why those 272,900 are leaving and where they are going, but who are those 250,800 entering and where are they coming from? Who is lying? Are we speaking about tourists who after visiting Ejmiatsin, lighting candles, leave after 5 days. That is if they can find an Armavia flight out? Let me nominate Armenia as the champion of the LIARS’ CLUB. ----- BY 2050 ARMENIA'S POPULATION MAY DROP TO 1.5MLN ARMINFO Friday, April 5, 18:33 If Armenians continue leaving their country at such a pace, by 2050 there will be just 1.5mln people left in Armenia, ethnographer Hranush Kharatyan said in an interview to Business Express newspaper. She says that no more than 2.5mln people live in Armenia for the moment against the officially reported 3.5mln. "Today 20% of our people are pensioners, while the admissible aging rate is 7-8%," Kharatyan said. She is especially worried about the fact that more than half of the population - as many as 1.5mln - live in Yerevan, while most of the remaining 1mln live in the fertile Ararat Valley. According to the National Statistical Service of Armenia, on Jan 1 2012 the country's population was 3.41mln - 0.6% than in 2012, with 35.2% living in Yerevan, 268,300 in Armavir region and 263,200 in Ararat region. The State Migration Service says that 272,900 people left Armenia and 250,800 entered the country in Jan-Feb 2013, with the negative migration balance being 22,000.

ԶՐՈՒՅՑ 16. ++++ ԱԴԱՄԻ ԿՈՂԸ++++ Գիտենք, որ Աստված կնոջը Ադամի կողից ստեղծեց, այսինքնՙ Ադամին կողակից ստեղծեց, որ միասին ընկողմանեն անկողին, լինեն իրար կողմնակից: Ի՞նչ կապ ունեն իրար հետ այս նախադասության մեջ գործածված կող, անկողին, կողակից, կողմնակից, ընկողմանել բառերը: Գիտենք, որ անկողին նշանակում է «պառկելու եւ քնելու պարագաները» (վերմակ, ներքնակ, բարձ եւ այլն), ինչպես նաեւՙ «ամուսինների քնելու տեղ», փոխաբերական առումովՙ «ամուսնական կապ, հարաբերություն»: Իսկ ի՞նչ ծագում, ի՞նչ կազմություն ունի անկողին բառը: Արդյո՞ք բնիկ հայերեն բառ է: Անզեն աչքով էլ անկողին բառի մեջ նկատում ենք կող բառը. պատահակա՞ն համընկնում է, թե՞ հենց կող բառն է անկողին բառի արմատը: Պարզվում է, որ անկողին բառը կազմված է կողն հնագույն արմատի սեռական կողին ձեւիցՙ վաղնջահայերենի ան (թեք հարթության վրայով, վրա) նախամասնիկով: Իսկ ի՞նչ է նշանակում կող. «1. Կրծքի վանդակը կազմող աղեղնաձեւ ոսկորները, 2. Մարդու իրանի աջ եւ ձախ մասերըՙ թիկունքից մինչեւ ազդրերը, 3. Մի տեղի կամ մի բանի մոտը եւ այլն»: Կող բառից ունենք կողակից բառըՙ «ամուսին» նշանակությամբՙ հատկապես կին ամուսինը: Սա էլ երեւի գալիս է այն բանից, որ կինը (Եվան) ստեղծվել է մարդու (Ադամի) կողից, կամ էլ պառկել է (ի կող է եղել, կողնել է) Ադամի կողքին, այսինքնՙ կողին կից է, կողակից է: Շատ հետաքրքիր է ի կողի մոռացված ձեւը, որ նշանակում է «կռացած, մինչեւ կողը կորացած», ասենքՙ լվացվելիս: Կող բառից ունեցել ենք կողաքակ բառը, որ նշանակել է «կուսակցությունից բաժանված»: Նկատի ունենալով, որ հիմա կուսակցություններից բաժանվածներ շատ կան, կարելի է վերականգնել կողաքակ բառը. ասենք, «կողաքակ կուսակցականների հետագա վարքի համար կուսակցությունը պատասխանատու չէ»: Հիշենք, որ կողմ եւ կույս բառերը նույն բանն են նշանակում, եւ կուսակցությունը նույն կողմնակցությունն է: Այսինքնՙ կուսակցականները կողմնակից են իրար, բայց ոչ բոլորին, ոչ ամբողջ ժողովրդին: Մի մոռացված բառ էլ կաՙ կազմված կողն բառի սեռականից. կողինավոր , որ նշանակում է «զրահապատ կող ունեցող»: Այս բառով հնարավոր է անվանել զրահամեքենաների տարատեսակներից որեւէ մեկը: Կամ մարդու համար ասում ենՙ կողը հաստ է , այսինքնՙ համառ է, ինքնասածի: Կարող ենք ասել, օրինակ, կողինավոր ղարաբաղցի : Կող արմատից մն մասնիկով կազմված է կողմն բառը, որը նշանակում է «կողմ, գավառ, երկիր, կողքին, եզերքը» եւ այլն: Կողմն արմատից ունենք ընկողմանել «կողքի վրա ընկնել, մի կողքի վրա թիկն տալ, պառկել» բառը, որն, ըստ երեւույթին, առաջացել է ընդ կողմանել ձեւից, ինչպես ընկղմել բառըՙ ընդ մասնիկով կղմել ձեւից: Վերջում նշենք, որ անկողին բառն ունի մահիճ հոմանիշը, որն ավելի ուշ փոխառություն է արաբերեն մահիճ բառից, որն ունի «քնել, հանգստանալ» իմաստները: Թեեւ կա նաեւ այն կարծիքը, որ մահիճ բառը մահ բառից է եւ նշանակում է «մահ իջնել», կամՙ մահ եւ նինջ բառերից: Այսինքնՙ անկողին մտնելուց առաջ մեկ-մեկ արժե հիշել, թե մեր նախահայրերը ինչպես են ստեղծել, պահել ու պահպանել մեր լեզուն, հասցրել մեզ եւ ավանդել, որ մենք էլ հասցնենք մեր սերունդներին: Եվ ոչ թե վայրենի հրճվանքով մոռանանք մեր լեզուն, արհամարհենք եւ օտարալեզվասեր դառնանք: Հիշենք, որ ճիշտ էՙ քանի լեզու գիտես, այնքան մարդ ե ս, բայց, եթե չգիտես քո հայրերի լեզուն, չգիտես քո մայրենին, ապա քանի լեզու գիտես, այդքան մարդ չես: Խոսքս, մասնավորաբար, այն մտավորական կոչվածներին է վերաբերում, որոնք, ապրելով Հայաստանում երկար ու ձիգ տարիներ, նեղություն չեն կրում սովորելու իրենց մայրենին եւ հեռուստատեսությամբ հպարտորեն ասում են, թե իրենք ավելի ազատ են արտահայտվում օտար լեզվով, սակայն պակաս հայրենասեր չեն: Հիշենք Գարեգին Նժդեհի ասածը նման ստամտավորականների մասին. «Ողորմելի, փափկամարմին, ծույլ հայրենասիրություն, որ իր մայրենի լեզուն յուրացնելու ճիգն իսկ չի փորձում»:

Next will be… ADAMI KOGH@ ADAM’S RIB Adam's Side. Is that what is meant by spare rib? Did Adam have a spare rib” http://www.ctmenusonline.com/images/B.B.Q._Spare_Rib_small.jpg I am not ribbing ** **Ribbing=teasing, joking, ridiculing. Probably from the act of poking at the ribs, tickling. http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/rde0811l.jpg In the next installment we will see the author’s take on the word Kogh-rib, koghosk@r/rib bone. koghm,side. In words like ankoghiin=bed/mattress, koghmnakits-bedfellow, spouse etc. He goes even further talking about mahij/mahjakal/bed which in fact literally means deathbed.

See #481 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=34759&st=480#entry304198 SHEIKH MAKSOOD. I am intimately familiar with the one time Armenian Enclave Sheikh Maksood. I was not actually born there but I lived my first 2 decades there. At one time the enclave was exclusively Armenian, heavily Evangelikcal and Catholic , there is a reason for that**. Of course there were Apostolics as well and a few other native Christians. During the repatriation era of 1945-46 many offered their houses for sale and the buyers were a majority of Kurds. Subsequent to that, once again the Armenians moved out to downtown Aleppo where there were infrastructures and other facilities, at which time the demography, once again shifted heavily to non-Armenian non-Christian population. Surveying the present maps of Aleppo I get the impression that the suburb has grown tremendously towards the north. Sheikh Maksood is at the northwest of Nor Giugh and Suleimanieh, directly west of Bostan P*sh*, across the River, another Armenian enclave which has also been in the news lately. It is at this side of the slope of a hill, while the other side looked at the cemeteries, mostly Armenian of all denominations as well as some non-Armenian Christians.*** Speaking of cemeteries, the Monday after Easter was/is known as Mereleots/ Memorial day when the entire Armenian (and other Christian) community would visit the graves of their dearly departed. The day would be a virtual festival when the leading highway would be wall to wall with people walking as well as some vehicles, vendors of all kinds selling flowers and other trinkets, food and drinks. The atmosphere at the cemeteries would be as festive as well, specially with the clergy soliciting the visitors to pray for a fee. This past Monday April 1 was the traditional day of Merelots, which also coincided with the major onslaught of the so called rebels on Sheikh Maksood For which reason, according to Azdak, understandably the traditional pilgrimage was not held, instead the memorials were held at their respective churches. Since we lived so close to that highway leading to the cemeteries we would see many funeral processions. I vividly remember the funeral cortege of Hakob Oshagan . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagop_Oshagan **The land was secured and assisted by Rev. Aharon Shrajian (Evangelical) and Bishop Ter Boghos Chalikian (Catholic). I have mentioned this before, that our house was less than a 100 meters from the tracks of the Orient Express, a major source of entertainment for us. ***Armenians are a bunch of rude idiots, which partially explains the fact that we have such pejorative and insulting (furkish) family names. Even today, after so many years in conversations with former Aleppines I alk about Sheikh Maksood very few will know until I use the pejorative nickname of Khortlakh dagh, for obvious reasons furkish for Skeleton mountain. As children we were teased and bullied for this reason. To the south west of it, beyond the cemeteries there was another Armenian enclave, Davudieh, which once again would recognize unless one calls it by its pejorative name Bolshevik dagh, apparently nicknamed so because the early inhabitants were non-Dashnaks.

This is eerie. I am intimately familiar with the one time Armenian Enclave Sheikh Maksood. I was not actually born there but I lived my first 2 decades there. At one time the enclave was exclusively Armenian, heavily Evangelikcal and Catholic , there is a reason for that**. Of course there were Apostolics as well and a few other native Christians. During the repatriation era of 1945-46 many offered their houses for sale and the buyers were a majority of Kurds. Subsequent to that, once again the Armenians moved out to downtown Aleppo where there were infrastructures and other facilities, at which time the demography, once again shifted heavily to non-Armenian non-Christian population. Surveying the present maps of Aleppo I get the impression that the suburb has grown tremendously towards the north. Sheikh Maksood is at the northwest of Nor Giugh and Suleimanieh, directly west of Bostan P*sh*, across the River, another Armenian enclave which has also been in the news lately. It is at this side of the slope of a hill, while the other side looked at the cemeteries, mostly Armenian of all denominations as well as some non-Armenian Christians.*** Speaking of cemeteries, the Monday after Easter was/is known as Mereleots/ Memorial day when the entire Armenian (and other Christian) community would visit the graves of their dearly departed. The day would be a virtual festival when the leading highway would be wall to wall with people walking as well as some vehicles, vendors of all kinds selling flowers and other trinkets, food and drinks. The atmosphere at the cemeteries would be as festive as well, specially with the clergy soliciting the visitors to pray for a fee. This past Monday April 1 was the traditional day of Merelots, which also coincided with the major onslaught of the so called rebels on Sheikh Maksood For which reason, according to Azdak, understandably the traditional pilgrimage was not held, instead the memorials were held at their respective churches. **The land was secured and assisted by Rev. Aharon Shrajian (Evangelical) and Bishop Ter Boghos Chalikian (Catholic), both Marash born. I have mentioned this before, that our house was less than a 100 meters from the tracks of the Orient Express, a major source of entertainment for us. ***Armenians are a bunch of rude idiots, which partially explains the fact that we have such pejorative and insulting (furkish) family names. Even today, after so many years in conversations with former Aleppines I alk about Sheikh Maksood very few will know until I use the pejorative nickname of Khortlakh dagh, for obvious reasons furkish for Skeleton mountain. As children we were teased and bullied for this reason. To the south west of it, beyond the cemeteries there was another Armenian enclave, Davudieh, which once again would recognize unless one calls it by its pejorative name Bolshevik dagh, apparently nicknamed so because the early inhabitants were non-Dashnaks.

Thank you Nane for the laughter. Off topic maybe? I know this is Comedistan, but I don't think this a laughing matter. If only that comedian Sedrak would mind his pots and pans, rather than falling in the frying pan, make a fool of himself and us. Can we stop speaking furkish and start speaking Armenian, trying to tell the world that that TURKISH WORD DOLMA is from the Armeno-Urartian TOLI**. Instead of telling us the ARMENIAN WORDS for them.Please someone, show us a picture of the Urartuan recipe of TOLI. Do we speak Armenian Here? Or is this is the DOLMA BASTURMA FORUM? ** Yeah, yeah we know that Urartuan Ararat/Aghori/Akori is now known as agri dagh. PS. A million heavenly angels will not convince me that the furkish WORD DOLMA is of Armenian origin. Please google DOLMA and see what is said.

ԶՐՈՒՅՑ 122. ++++ ԹԱՐԳՄԱՆԵ՞Լ, ԹԷ՞ ՉԹԱՐԳՄԱՆԵԼ +++ ԱՅՍ Է ԽՆԴԻՐԸ ++++ Տարիների ընթացքում թե՛ սոցիալ-տնտեսական, թե՛ քաղաքական անբարենպաստ պայմաններում հայ ժողովուրդը չի կարողացել առավելագույնս օգտագործել լեզվաշինական իր անսպառ հնարավորությունները: Փառք Աստծու, հիմա կան պայմաններ խելամտորեն մաքրելու մեր լեզուն օտարաբանություններից, օտար ոճերից եւ օտար բառերից: Լեզվի զարգացման միտումը, պայմանականորեն ասենք, «տերմինային է», այսինքնՙ աշխարհում օրական ստեղծվում են բազմաթիվ տերմիններ գիտության ամենատարբեր բնագավառներում: Եթե մենք չդիմադրենք անխուսափելի տերմինախուժությանը մեր լեզու, ապա մի հարյուր տարի հետո շատ տարօրինակ վիճակում կհայտնվենք: Հայերենը կդառնա կենցաղային մի լեզուՙ հագեցած զանազան լեզուների շիլաշփոթ բառերով: Ամեն օր անհրաժեշտ է լինում անվանել նորանոր իրեր, առարկաներ, երեւույթներ ու հարաբերություններ: Այս երեւույթը տեղի է ունենում միշտ: Գիր ունեցող լեզուների մեջ նոր արմատներ սովորաբար չեն ստեղծվում, բայց չէ՞ որ ստեղծվում են բազմաթիվ նորանոր բառեր: Ովքե՞ր են ստեղծում այդ բառերը, ինչպե՞ս են ստեղծվում դրանք: Յուրաքանչյուր մարդ ազատ է նոր բառ ստեղծելու մեջ: Բայց որքանո՞վ նրա ստեղծած բառը համընդհանուր ճանաչման կարժանանա, դա է խնդիրը: 19-րդ դարում հայ մտավորականներն ստեղծեցին բազմաթիվ բառեր, որոնց մի մասը մերժվեց, մի մասն ընդունվեց: Այսպես, թվում է, թե շատ հին բառ է քարափ բառը, բայց այն ստեղծվել է 1890-ական թվերին: Նույնըՙ հեծանիվ, լուցկի, բացառել, հոմանիշ, նույնանիշ եւ այլ բառերի դեպքում: Անհատական հզոր կամքով Մանուկ Աբեղյանը ստեղծեց բազմաթիվ բառեր եւ կյանքի կոչեց: Ոչ մեկի մտքով չի անցնում, որ կերպար բառը ստեղծվել է 20-րդ դարում: Նույնըՙ ապար բառը: Աբեղյանի ստեղծած բառերի մեծ մասը մտել է հայ լեզվի գանձարանը: Ինչպես տեսնում ենք, օտար տերմինները չթարգմանելն անհնար է, եթե չենք ուզում, որ լեզուն դառնա մասնագիտական ժարգոնների մի համախմբություն: Ամեն օր գիտության, տեխնիկայի, մշակույթի բազմաթիվ նոր հասկացություններ են ծնվում եւ անուն ստանում օտար բառերով, որոնք այդ հասկացությունների հետ ներխուժում են մեր կյանք: Եթե չթարգմանվի, չհայացվի դրանց գոնե մի մասը, ապա լեզուն պարզապես կաղտոտվի կոնգրուենտ (համընկնելի), կոնդոմինիում (համատիրություն), քլիրինգ (չի թարգմանվել), կոմպյուտեր (համակարգիչ), միսըս (գեղեցկուհի), պոպուլիզմ (ամբոխահաճություն) եւ այլ անճոռնի, անբարեհունչ բառերով: Երկու ծայրահեղությունՙ ամեն ինչ թարգմանել եւ ոչինչ չթարգմանել, միշտ կռվել են իրար հետ, այժմ էլ կռվում են, եւ հաղթում է ոսկե միջինը, եւ դա լավ է: Շատ անբարեհունչ բառեր, տերմիններ նորացվել են, զորօրինակՙ կոլեգիա վարչանի կապիլյար մազական ֆոկուս կիզակետ շկալա սանդղակ տրաեկտորիա հետագիծ մախավիկ թափանիվ պարալելոգրամմ զուգահեռագիծ կոնդոմինիում համատիրություն եւ այլն, եւ այլն: Նույնիսկ Տերյանի եւ Րաֆֆու պես մարդիկ պնդում էին, որ կարիք չկա թարգմանելու պալտո, վելոսիպեդ, գաստրոլ, փեչ, տելեֆոն, տելեգրաֆ բառերը: Բայց հիմա ոչ մեկի մտքով չի անցնում հեծանվին վելոսիպեդ ասել: Օտար բառը ոչ միայն անբարեհունչ է, այլեւ մեզ համար հասկանալի ոչ մի տեղեկույթ չունի իր մեջ: Օրինակՙ համատիրություն բառի մեջ կոնդոմինիում տերմինի նշած հասկացության իմաստը կաՙ «միասին տիրել»: Երբ ասում ենք կոնդոմինիում , ապա հայ մարդու համար որեւէ տեղեկույթ չի պարունակում այդ բառը, իսկ երբ ասում ենք համատիրություն , ապա բառի մեջ կա հասկանալի տեղեկույթՙ «միասին տիրել», որն օգնում է պատկերացնել նշվող հասկացությունը: Կամ խիստ արմատացած մի տերմինՙ կոլեգիա , որն անընդհատ աղավաղված է արտասանվել, շփոթ առաջացրելՙ կոլեգյա, կոլեգիյա, կոլեգա եւ այլն, հիմա դրա փոխարեն ավագանի բառի համանմանությամբ ստեղծվել է վարչանի բառը: Բագաժնիկ -ի փոխարենՙ բեռնոց բառը: Քանի որ կյանքը շատ է արագացրել իր ընթացքը, ապա օտար բառերն էլ շատ արագ են մուտք գործում մեր լեզու: Եվ մեզնից մի մասը փորձում է դրանք թարգմանել, հայացնել, մի մասը վախենում է օտար բառին եւ նրա արտահայտած իմաստին ձեռք տալ. հանկարծ մի բան չպատահի: Մի մասը զուտ քաղքենիությունից է օգտագործում օտար բառըՙ տպավորություն թողնելու, ամբոխահաճ տրամադրություն ստեղծելու համար, մի մասըՙ օգտապաշտությունից, մի մասըՙ պարզապես ծուլությունից, մի մասըՙ չհասկանալուց եւ այլն: Կան մարդիկ, ովքեր լեզուն ուզում են հարստացնել փոխառություններով, լիովին ժխտելով թարգմանելու անհրաժեշտությունը: Եվ ստացվում է այսպիսի հայերեն. Հայաստանում վերջին տարիներին քլիրինգային եւ ինվեստիցիոն ոչ կոռեկտ քաղաքականության հետեւանքով էկոնոմիկայում ուժեղացավ կոռուպցիան, ստեղծելով ստագնացիոն կոնյունկտուրա, ինֆլյացիա, վալյուտային ռեսուրսների կոնվերսիա, բյուջեի դեֆիցիտ, վաուչերների ու սերտիֆիկատների դեֆլյացիա, դիվիդենտների մինիմիզացիա, կոնդոմինիումի անկիրառելիություն, էքսպերտների եւ էքսպերտիզայի անտեսում, բորսաների ու բիրժաների լիկվիդայնության էնտրոպիա, էկոնոմիկայի դիվերսիֆիկացիոն լեգիտիմ քաղաքականություն, ստվերային բիզնեսի մաքսիմիզացիա, որը նաեւ մարկետինգի եւ մենեջմենտի թույլ դրսեւորման հետեւանք է, անհարիր մեր ռեյտինգին եւ իմիջին, առավել եւսՙ մենթալիտետին: Կան մարդիկ, ովքեր ուզում են ամեն գնով թարգմանել յուրաքանչյուր բառՙ հասնելով ծայրահեղության եւ ընկնելով ծիծաղելի վիճակի մեջ: Եվ ստացվում է այսպիսի հայերեն. «Օրիորդապնդիչը հագավ պոչազգեստը, վերցրեց մի շիշ փրփրագմփիկ եւ, պոզահանրակառք նստելով, հասավ դրամատան մոտ գտնվող իր տունը: Տանը նրան սպասում էր կինըՙ փեշի երկար գրգռաճեղքով ու մազագանգրափաթաթանները գլխին: Ի՞նչ կա ուտելու, - հարցրեց ամուսինը: Կլորախմորաերկարածակերով փլավ, - պատասխանեց կինը: Այնպես որ, եկեք քարը փեշներիցս թափենք եւ ծայրահեղությունների մեջ չընկնենք: Չնայած այդ ծայրահեղությունները, ի վերջո, հավասարակշռում են միմյանց: Կա միակ ճիշտ ճանապարհը. ամեն մի գիտական նոր հասկացության համար 1. գտնել հայերեն անվանումՙ հին բառի նորիմաստ գործածություն, 2. եթե դա չի հաջողվում, հայերենի միջոցով ստեղծել նոր անվանում, 3. եթե դա էլ չի հաջողվում, օտար անվանումը ենթարկել հայերենի հնչյունաբանական եւ բառակազմական կանոններին, 4. օտար անվանումը նույնությամբ գործածելՙ չբացառելով դրա թարգմանությունը հետագայում:

Above that HyeForum site about Macaroni was corrupted. Here it is again http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21847#entry260084

Next will be an humorous look at To Translate or Not. The author takes a look at some of the ridiculous attempts of translating every foreign word of newfangled gadgets. A sample; The husband asks what is for supper? and the wife answers; Klora-khmora-erkara-tsakerov- pilav Where is Nairi? We have spoken about this phenomenon on numerous occasions. Macaroni; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21847#entry260084 Here is a paragraph of a so called modern Armenian.

Armavia Reimagined: Solutions for a Successful Armenian National Carrier By Raffi Elliott A history of problems: The brief time since Armenia's regaining of independence has been rather turbulent for its small aviation industry. As the USSR fell apart, Armenia, having been a constituent republic received a number of former Aeroflot jets which formed the basis for a new Armenian national carrier, Armenian Airlines, which served a number of routes to Russia and continental Europe. However, environmental restrictions within the European Community meant that the soviet-era fleet would no longer be able to fly its European routes, effectively condemning the new airline to bankruptcy. This failed first attempt was shortly followed by a second, albeit controversially short-lived venture; Air Armenia's assets were opaquely liquidated to form the new, privately-run, supposedly publicly-traded, Armavia. Armavia, officially managed by the Russian-Armenian oligarch Mikhail Baghdasarov was able to lease, and later purchase, a small fleet of second-hand airbuses, allowing it to expand its routes into the EU and Russia, as well as serving some middle-eastern destinations, such as Dubai, Aleppo and Beirut. despite a few accidents, Armavia essentially flew with a descent record. Despite apparent successes, it soon became apparent that Armavia was being plagued by financial issues, incompetent management, and inefficient use of resources; with more flights being cancelled, and others being delayed as a result. The company's true financial situation began to surface when, being the first recipient of the Russian-Italian made Sukhoi Superjet, it soon had to return its purchase, as well as cancel a second order for a second one. This was followed by a drastic reduction of routes. Armavia further caused controversy, when they cancelled their flight to Aleppo, only to reinstate it with grossly inflated ticket prices, which most of the ethnic-Armenian refugees fleeing the Syrian Civil War could not afford. A recent dispute between the failing airline and the Corporacion-America-managed Zvartnots Airport over gate fees further raised speculation of imminent bankruptcy; and, as an "ArmeniaNow" article pointed out, fully embodied the stark contrast between a western-style properly managed corporation (such as the Airport), and a soviet-style oligarch run and operated company which relies on kick-backs and government favouritism to survive. Today, Armavia flights are routinely between 2 and 3 hours late or sometimes cancelled, to the great discomfort of travellers, and its future is uncertain. As of March 30th, Armavia has already filed for bankruptcy. Challenges and Solutions Other than the obvious factors such as the endemic results of oligarch-style mismanagement, which plagues most other sectors of the Armenian economy, the most glaring problem is that Armavia simply missed its mark. the airline failed to establish its niche. it flies against tough competition in very crowded routes such as Yerevan-Moscow, Yerevan-Sochi, Yerevan-Krasnodar, and so on, which are served extensively by a number of domestic Russian airlines, without offering a competitive edge such as better service, cheaper airfare, customer loyalty points or anything. As far as most labour migrants are concerned, it is a soviet airline like all the others. The Yerevan-Dubai route, for example, is served by both Armavia and Emirates subsidiary: FlyDUBAI. The difference in Ticket-price is almost minimal (usually less than 50 Euros), yet FlyDUBAI offers outstanding customer service, friendly staff, both on the phone, and on the plane, as well as online booking. Armavia offers none of that…well worth the extra 50 Euros…. Low-Cost People Mover? Second, Armavia totally fails to make proper use of its logistical hub in terms of boosting number of travellers. There is a gross miscalculation in their mission statement: Yerevan does not have to be a FINAL DESTINATION, as much as it could also serve as a transit station. Granted, Zvarnots airport (which recently won an award for the best-managed airport in Eastern-Europe by the way) DOES have higher-than-average gate fees, which, with some negotiations, could be brought down, but the point is that the aerodrome is equipped to handle almost all aircraft flying in the world today, and the facilities could handle much larger volume than it does today. This, coupled with Armenia's suitable geographical location as a transit point between east and west would allow the company to compete in a new airline market: that of low-cost alternative. If people could travel from Western Europe, or North America to South-East asia for several hundred dollars less than one of the major airlines, they would certainly not mind a layover in Armenia; and similarly, Hotel managers, tour companies and various other Armenian businesses wouldn't mind the extra customer base. Seems like a win-win for all. It wouldn't be difficult for Armavia to pull this off. It would be as simple as following the Ryanair, or EasyJet model of avoiding large airports in favour of smaller, regional airports, where gate fees are much lower, serve better quality meals for a small fee, charge for luggage, or extra leg room and so on. Brand Recognition One of the most irritating parts about Armavia, is the fact that the first 3 letters in the name correspond to the name of the Republic of Armenia. Right now, there is no greater shame than having such an airline serving as Armenia's national air carrier. I'm also sorry to say that hiring Gerard Depardieu, who has recently lost his marbles, and began prostituting himself to the whims of a number of post-soviet dictators does nothing to help raise brand awareness. Maybe Armavia would do well to hire a public relations firm, rebrand itself as safe, reliable and cheap alternative to Emirates of British Airways, and advertise themselves as such. Freight-Traffic Development Being based in a tiny, landlocked country which is being blockaded on two sides, it comes as a total shock that Armavia hasn't yet developed a cargo division. the solution seems obvious: buy freight aircraft and start flying cargo in and out as a way to make extra cash. Of course, none of these changes could be implemented until the management problem is resolved. the practice of hiring and promoting based on nepotism and kick-backs needs to cease immediately, as such positions which be awarded on the basis of meritocracy. This would allow a competent management team to properly oversee company operations. To recap: if Armavia one day decides to get its act together, it could very easily rise from the grave through a simple formula of hiring a competent management team, finding its niche, and gaining the competitive edge by rebranding itself as a safe, reliable, low cost airlines which can connect the world. That way, Armenians will finally regain their pride in their national carrier....oh, and maybe have an ARMENIAN version to their site for a change... Raffi Elliott is a Yerevan-based Canadian-Armenian political commentator who frequently writes about Armenian social, political and economic trends on his blog: www.mshak.org

This brand may soon become extinct; http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2013/03/24996.jpg http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2013/03/24996.jpg ==== A well written article in HETQ . A concise history of and a postmortem autopsy and diagnosis, if you will, and perhaps a remedy of the post soviet Armenian Aviation, and the business environment in general. http://hetq.am/eng/news/24996/armavia-reimagined-solutions-for-a-successful-armenian-national-carrier.html ===== The author; PS. In his blog he identifies himself as a libertarian. I have no idea what that means. I will search to see what it is. PPS. I may post the entire article in full before it is taken off, so we can comment on specific passages.

This thread will very well fit under the Topic -Our Ugly Side. This is only the tip of the rotten iceberg. As I indicated above , the prohibitive landing fees at Zvarrtnots Airport is reminiscent of Aesop’s parable of the Goose and the Golden Eggs. We will soon be the champions of the game of Killing the Goose, not only allegorically but also literally as we have seen numerous times. We will see which silly goose will lay their eggs there.. We have seen so many other businesses and enterprises gone bankrupt due to mismanagement, corruption and greed. http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/50275_136211119757125_193_n.jpg Not to forget the Toumanian fable Of The Talking Fish-and the Milking Cow/ aka Cash Cow. http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Hovhannes_Tumanian:_The_Talking_Fish