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That sounds like Bospori/Vospori Gaghtniqner@ I have known that book. For some reason, in my memory it was a mystery detective novel by Yerwand Odian/Yervant Odian. Yes, Odian is best known for his satire, he was also a prolific writer of serious subjects as well as his short stories and novels (Enver, Talaat yev Sherlock Holmes, a novel of mystery and intrigue). However, all searches point to Morgenthau’s the Secrets of the Bosphorus. http://openlibrary.org/books/OL7249298M/Secrets_of_the_Bosphorus

History repeats. See what just happened in Egypt. I am not surprised. I had foreseen this on day one. History repeats, We remember when in the 1950s Abdelnasser, who himself was of military background hanged half a dozen **of so called Muslim Brotherhood. (Akhwan) Their puppeteers, the likes of Saudia , and their stooges, the west Britain, France.. furkey and The US have never forgiven the Egyptians who bloodied their noses., in the meantime Egypt lived in relative peace And prosperity, until once again the MB s. were revived. Fortunately they did not rule long enough to see the total annihilation of the infidels like the Copts and other Christian communities. This brings us to Syria, Ever since the advent of the secular Assad regime , Syria has lived in relative peace, prosperity and tolerance. But when the above mentioned puppeteers felt that the Syrian regime had thumbed their noses enough times , they found the way to punish them with an islamist rebellion, once again financed and armed by those puppeteers. Imagine what will happen to non -muslim minorities (Ermenis) in Syria when those islamists prevail, Yes mr erbokhan sultan, the Genocide is not yet complete as those wretched Ermeni gavurs are still living in the ottoman provinces like Syria and Lebanon. Who are the next candidates for a coup? Stooges like Saufia, Qatar, Jordan and. and. furkey? ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Muslim_Brotherhood_in_Egypt_(1939%E2%80%931954)

This is a story of human interest, I invite Johannes to add, amend and correct as need be. Jdeideh Agoraphobia? http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Middle_East/Syria/Muhafazat_Halab/Aleppo-1814607/Things_To_Do-Aleppo-Christian_Quarter-BR-1.html In addition to the above, Jdeideh was a major commercial district of Aleppo. The main street was lined with vegetable, meat and fish markets. A side street, leading to Saliba (literally street of the cross), where the Armenian Cathedral Sb. Karasoun Mangants is, was lined with mostly Armenian jewelry stores. This brings us to the main topic. Another sector of Jdeideh was the industrial Tadriba street, where most of the artisan shops were Armenian, be they shoemakers, cobblers et al. , tailors, textile. metal workers like iron, copper etc., Before I get to the main story a word or two about the furkish word chavush. Sergeant/ Qsanapet/commander of 20 in Armenian, a rank above Tasnapet/Corporal (onbashi)./commander of 10 Why Was he nicknamed chavush? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevork_Chavush Here is the story of the main topic of this post. At the above mentioned Tadribeh street there was an ever present denizen known as chavush. I don’t know why he was nicknamed so. Had he been a sergeant in the ottoman army, or simply because his name may have been Gevorg? See the meaning of chavush here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=52422#entry306898 He was treated as the village idiot, teased , and at times abused. beside being the village idiot he was also a philosopher of sorts. He was a a porter/bernakir/hammal by profession.**** http://thishollowearth.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/atlas.jpg Contrary to the “village idiot” he was the most literate of all. Was he shell shocked, PTSD? He may have been the most literate of the crowd. People, mostly illiterate themselves , would buy the newspaper for him to read. He would read the papers for the audience and translate if needed. He hated crowds. He would not go to the crowded sectors for all the money, but he would carry a burden to the (Armenian)suburbs that he called Hayastan for almost for no compensation. He would read the newspaper, nothing, nothing, like there has been an accident in Zimbabwe, where ten have died. Blah, blah! Then, all of a sudden his face would light up. What is it? What is it? There has been a typhoon in Bangladesh where 10,000 have died. AH!!! That is news to his liking. But why not 100,000? Did I say He hated crowds?Agoraphobia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoraphobia BTW. Johannes, he was Aintab born. Speaking of which. At the bottom of that street, nestled between the shoemakers was a store ran by Sherbetji**/Halvaji Osman. He was a most loved and respected merchant, He made the best licorice drink**, halva and other sweet delicacies. He was a turk from Aintab who had moved to Aleppo during the Armenian exodus from Kilikia. Why? Was his wife Armenian? His children attended Armenian schools and spoke perfect Armenian. **I will search and see if there is an Armenian word for licorice.. Other than some dictionaries say likoris. The Arabs call it SOUS and the furks call it meyam/mayam koku. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquorice Souss Vendor; http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1566/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1566-822843.jpg *** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharbat Note that the word is from Arabic “sharbeh” simply meaning “drink. Also note where the French Sorbet comes from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RaspberrySherbet.jpg **** See many stories by the likes of Grigor Zohrab about the immigrants in Bolis, from the interiors who worked as porters, bernakir hammal. See the so called Armenian surname Hammalian. Here is one. BTW, hammal is Arabic to mean lifter/porter/carrier. Consider the Arabo-furkish word hamileh to mean pregnant, i.e carrier of (baby). Of course that surname Hamali-ian may also mean from Hama, Syria. http://selahwellness.net/about/

 http://www.armenianow.com/news/47407/hamshen_armenians_vahan_ishkhanyan News | 03.07.13 | 12:29 Identity Crisis: Journalist explores the roots of Hamshen Armenians Photo: Anahit Hayrapetyan By Gayane Mkrtchyan ArmeniaNow reporter “Who were they? Were they actually Armenian? Did they look like us? Were they different, very different? What an exotic thing – people who are Muslim, but speak Armenian,” these were the questions and thoughts that prompted journalist Vahan Ishkhanyan to search for answers in the land of disputed identity and present it all in his lengthy new commentary about Hamshen Armenians. Ishkhanyan’s grandfather was from Hamshen, as the reporter learned when Hamshen expert Hovan Simonyan took a gene sample from Ishkhanyan for his Armenian gene project. “It turns out that my genetic group is G1, the same group to which Avik Topchyan, another Hemshin belongs. While I do not know Mr. Topchyan, it would appear that we are in fact related and that generations ago our relatives were brothers. “I was just a young child when I heard others in the house talk about how there were still Muslim Hamshens living along the Black Sea coast and that they spoke the Hamshen dialect. Different numbers were tossed about as to how many there were – one hundred thousand, one million,” recalls Ishkhanyan. Two years ago, Iskhanyan won a Eurasia Partnership Foundation grant and took a trip to Turkey's eastshore of the Black Sea, where he spent 12 days at the Armenian-speaking Muslim Hemshen settlements and wrote a story, titled “Who Are They? The Muslim Hamshens Who Speak Armenian”. Based on Ishkhanyan’s “Muslim Hemshin Armenians” project a trilingual (Armenian, English, Turkish) CD and website (www.hamshesnak.com) have been created, where besides texts, multimedia aids, such as video material and photographs, interactive maps, tell the fascinating story of the Hamshens, their lifestyle, cuisine, perception of their identity, political outlook, and their dialect. Historical Hamshen is located in the northeast region of present-day Turkey. Scholarly research says that the Islamization process of the Hamshens began in the 1700s. Many scattered to settlements along the Black Sea Coast – Trabzon, Ordu, etc – to avoid religious conversion. There are no records preserved from that period as to why and how they converted to Islam. All such information was recorded some 100-150 years later. The Hamshen people today can be divided into three main groups: The Christian Armenian Hamshens, who live in Abkhazia and Russia’s Krasnodar District. They speak the Hamshen Armenian dialect; the Sunni Muslim Armenian-speaking Hamshens, (Hopa-Hamshens) who live in the Hopa and Borçka regions of the Turkish province of Artvin and call themselves, Hamshetsi or Homshetsi; and Sunni Muslim Turkish-speaking Hamshens (Bash-Hamshens) who mostly live in the Turkish province of Rize and call themselves, Hamshil. “Hopa-Hamshens have lost the religion and many traditions, they have taken everything from the Turkish environment, but have preserved their own language, and it is due to that language that they know about their Armenian roots, many consider themselves Armenian. This shows that any community, having lost everything else, but having preserved the language, will not merge and can always return to its roots,” says Ishkhanyan. Ishkhanyan’s guideswere his Turkish colleagues, CemilAksu, President of the BirYaşam (One Life) Cultural and Environmental Organization, and Harun Aksu. 63 year-old Cemal Vayiç, (the father-in-law of Hopa researcher Cemil Aksu) considers himself Hamshen, says he knew the language since childhood and wants to preserve it. “We knew that language as young kids and want to preserve it. We aren’t renouncing our identity. I will live as a Hamshen till the end. We know that the Hamshens are descended from Armenians. If Armenians visit and relate with us more often, we will be able to improve our language skills.” says Cemal Vayiç. At his house all present told that before going to school they did not know Turkish and spoke only Hamshesnak. They learnt Turkish at school. Aksu says the assimilation policy of Hopa-Hamshens started in the 1980s and the Hamshen dialect gradually gave in to the Turkish language. At the revolutionary Hayteh Bar owned by Harun Aksu, Ishkhanyan meets Mumi Yılmaz. As soon as they step foot into the bar he holds out his hand in welcome and says – I’m also Armenian. “We know about your cause, we are of the same blood,” he says.When asked how he knew he was Armenian without knowing any of thehistory, Yilmaz responds: “I don’t need to know the history to say that I’m Armenian. My grandfather is my history. He told me that it’s the truth. Whatever I know comes from him. My grandfather came down from the mountains to sell whatever he had, a bit of milk, oil, whatever. They caught him, called him Armenian, and bashed his head in. They stole his belongings, his horse, everything.Before, in the mountains, they made our life miserable. We were hungry. When we came down they beat us constantly. They singled us out as Armenians. But now we’ve come down and they can’t persecute us anymore". A shop owner glows upon learning that the reporter was Armenian and asks whether people in Armenia know about them. Then he adds “Eh…we sold our religion. We sold our Christianity and became Muslims.” Even those Hamshens who avoid calling themselves Armenian and regard themselves as Turks can’t escape the scorn heaped upon them by the other peoples of the region, calling them ermeni (“Armenian” in Turkish) in contempt. As opposed to Hopa-Hamshens, who accept their Armenian identity, Turkish-speaking Bash-Hamshens deny their Armenian descent, but celebrate Vardavar (an Armenian Christian holiday with elements dating back to pre-Christian era) and bury the deceased in coffins, unlike Muslims who only use a shroud. “If you ask a Hamshentsi what he is, he will answer “Hamshen’. If you then ask what a Hamshen is, he’s at a loss. In this country, not calling yourself a Turk is an act of courage,” says Bash-Hamshen Selçuk Güney, who owns the guesthouse in Samsun. Ishkhanyan writes that on the one hand the Turkish authorities made up their version of history to cut the Hamshens from their Armenian roots, while on the other hand the local government and residents of other Muslim nationalities called Hopa-Hamshens Armenian and oppressed them, which made them preserve their language and their Armenian descent as a form of resistance. They had two ways out: resist and remain the “the cursed ones”, adopting the ideology of oppressed masses, i.e. communism, or become more catholic than the “the Roman Pope, i.e. Turkish nationalists”. “Leftists (Marxists) are very courageous, when they learnt I was Armenian, they would come up, talk to me without fear. Others, who are now facing their Armenian identity issue, were very friendly, but asked not to record their names as soon as I was about to take notes. They asked not to cite them, they were scared. I saw that in Turkey people are afraid because of their Armenian descent, maybe in Istanbul it is not so, but in Hamshen it was,” says Iskhanyan. He also speaks about the Hamshesnak (the Hamshen dialect is referred to as such in most scientific researches) and says if one listens to it carefully Armenian words can be detected and after some getting-used-to it becomes clear that it is Armenian. And it is probably not accidental that Yılmaz Topaloğlu, former mayor of Hopa, told him: “I feel uncomfortable conversing through a translator. We can speak that language fairly well, but sadly we’ve been subjected to assimilation and various pressures. That’s why we have difficulty understanding each other.” “The language he refers to is Armenian. Yılmaz wouldn’t say such a thing to anyone else in the world except for an Armenian who speaks it – ‘I feel uncomfortable conversing through a translator’,” writes Ishkhanyan. In the end, Ishkhanyan answers the question: “Who are they?” “They’ve demolished the Hamshen Kachikar Church so that no traces are left. You won’t find it. The unknown location of the church symbolizes the destruction of the Black Sea Armenians. Successive Turkish regimes have dug down deep to eradicate all Armenian roots so that none ever grows again. But one stubborn branch, long overlooked, has sprouted again, trembling with fear. The Armenian words that flutter from the lips of this 30,000 Muslim community is the last vestige of a past when Armenians once lived on the Turkish shores of the Black Sea.” Source URL: http://www.armenianow.com/news/47407/hamshen_armenians_vahan_ishkhanyan Copyright © 2002-2009 ArmeniaNow.com All rights reserved. Articles may be reproduced, provided ArmeniaNow.com is cited as the source. 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See GAVUR Infidel http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1554&hl=gavur

Qsanapet=Sergeant Leader of 20. I was reading somewhere when a story of Gevorg chavush came up. Gevorg Chavush, born Gevorg Ghazarian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevork_Chavush http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Gevorg.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Gevorg.jpg Why was he nicknamed so? That word is from the furkish to mean sergeant. Was he an officer in the ottoman army? I can’t find it anywhere. Who knows the names of Military Ranks in Armenian? Are these correct? Tasnapet=Corporal, Qsanapet=Sergeant. Hisnapet=Lieutenant. Hariurapet=Captain. Hzarapet=General. Of course, Armenia being landlocked, marine, navy and coastguard do not apply. See highlighted Army below . Ignore the sub-ranks. ==== Marine Corps E-1 Private (PVT) E-2 Private First Class (PFC) E-3 Lance Corporal (LCpl) E-4 Corporal (Cpl) E-5 Sergeant (Sgt) E-6 Staff Sergeant (SSgt) E-7 Gunnery Sergeant (GySgt) E-8 First Sergeant (1SG) E-8 Master Sergeant (Msgt) E-9 Sergeant Major (SgtMaj) E-9 Master Gunnery Sergeant (MGySgt) E-9 Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps (SgtMajMC) W-1 Warrant Officer 1 (WO) W-2 Chief Warrant Officer 2 (CWO2) W-3 Chief Warrant Officer 3 (CWO3) W-4 Chief Warrant Officer 4 (CWO4) W-5 Chief Warrant Officer 5 (CWO5) O-1 2nd Lieutenant (2nd Lt) O-2 1st Lieutenant (1st Lt) O-3 Captain (Capt.) O-4 Major (Maj.) O-5 Lieutenant Colonel (Lt. Col.) O-6 Colonel (Col.) O-7 Brigadier General (Brig. Gen.) O-8 Major General (Maj. Gen.) O-9 Lieutenant General (Lt. Gen.) O-10 General (Gen.) O-10 Commandant of the Marine Corps (CMC) Army E-1 Private (PVT) E-2 Private (PVT) E-3 Private First Class (PFC) E-4 Specialist (SPC) E-4 Corporal (CPL) E-5 Sergeant (SGT) E-6 Staff Sergeant (SSG) E-7 Sergeant First Class (SFC) E-8 First Sergeant (1SG) E-8 Master Sergeant (MSG) E-9 Sergeant Major (SGM) E-9 Command Sergeant Major (CSM) E-9 Sergeant Major of the Army (SMA) W-1 Warrant Officer 1 (WO1) W-2 Warrant Officer 2 (CW2) W-3 Warrant Officer 3 (CW3) W-4 Warrant Officer 4 (CW4) W-5 Master Warrant Officer 5 (CW5) O-1 2nd Lieutenant (2nd Lt) O-2 1st Lieutenant (1st Lt) O-3 Captain (Capt.) O-4 Major (Maj.) O-5 Lieutenant Colonel (Lt. Col.) O-6 Colonel (Col.) O-7 Brigadier General (Brig. Gen.) O-8 Major General (Maj. Gen.) O-9 Lieutenant General (Lt. Gen.) O-10 General (Gen.) O-10 Army Chief of Staff (ACS) General of the Army (Wartime only) Navy/Coast Guard E-1 Seaman Recruit (SR) E-2 Seaman Apprentice (SA) E-3 Seaman (SN) E-4 Petty Officer Third Class (PO3) E-5 Petty Officer Second Class (PO2) E-6 Petty Officer First Class (PO1) E-7 Chief Petty Officer (CPO) E-8 Senior Chief Petty Officer (SCPO) E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer (MCPO) E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (MCPON) W-1 Warrant Officer 1 (WO) W-2 Warrant Officer 2 (CWO2) W-3 Warrant Officer 3 (CWO3) W-4 Warrant Officer 4 (CWO4) W-5 Master Warrant Officer (CWO5) O-1 Ensign (ENS) O-2 Lieutenant, Junior Grade (LTJG) O-3 Lieutenant (LT) O-4 Lieutenant Commander (LCDR) O-5 Commander (CDR) O-6 Captain (CAPT) O-7 Rear Admiral (Lower Half) RADM (LH) O-8 Rear Admiral (Upper Half) RADM (UH) O-9 Vice Admiral (VADM) O-10 Chief of Naval Operations /Commandant of the Coast Guard (ADM) O-10 Admiral (ADM) Fleet Admiral (Wartime only) Air Force E-1 Airman Basic (AB) E-2 Airman (Amn) E-3 Airman First Class (A1C) E-4 Senior Airman (SrA) E-5 Staff Sergeant (SSgt) E-6 Technical Sergeant (TSgt) E-7 First Sergeant (1SG) E-7 Master Sergeant (MSgt) E-8 First Sergeant (1SG) E-8 Senior Master Sergeant (SMSgt) E-9 First Sergeant (1SG) E-9 Chief Master Sergeant (CMSgt) E-9 Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force (CMSAF) O-1 2nd Lieutenant (2nd Lt) O-2 1st Lieutenant (1st Lt) O-3 Captain (Capt.) O-4 Major (Maj.) O-5 Lieutenant Colonel (Lt. Col.) O-6 Colonel (Col.) O-7 Brigadier General (Brig. Gen.) O-8 Major General (Maj. Gen.) O-9 Lieutenant General (Lt. Gen.) O-10 General (Gen.) O-10 Air Force Chief of Staff General of the Air Force (Wartime only)

Tsav@d Tanem, I feel your pain After a long and masochistic process I gave up on listening to that disgusting garbage jargon spread by Yerevan broadcasts. Beside the fact that the audiios are so poor, NO, I am not deaf, and I am fluent in both WA and EA vernaculars. They speak with a Russo-furkish intonation and jargon. They speak as if someone is holding a gun to their head to speak as fast as can be. What is the hurry? How valuable and expensive is air time in Yerevan? Are broadcasters and commentators chosen based on how fast they can speak, and how much russki and furko-asszeri they know? Akhber jan, qez ghourban, du es du mer guman? Is that how American and other broadcasters speak? Are they chosen baaed on how fast they can speak? NO. They are chosen based on their knowledge of literary English, trained in speech and deliberate enunciation. Americanization of my English was greatly influenced by the way Walter Cronkite Spoke. I would listen to him and audibly repeat every word and phrase he spoke. Does he speak as if those horsemen of the Apocalypse were chasing him?

SEBASATIA DIALECT In fact it is officially known as Garin (Erzrum)Vernacular. Garno Barbar. Actually, in the strict sense of the word there are no Armenian Dialects, they are Regional/Provincials unlike those of India and other large countries where there are hundreds of dialects that even the next door neighbor will not understand. Some dictionaries translate Dialect as Barbarr/ Gavarabarbarr. Barbarr, See Bal http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=425 Bal. http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=388 http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D5%A5%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%BF%D5%AB%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%AB_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=24758#entry266234 Here we spoke about the origin of GOR, which was solely my own observation based on my hearing Sebatatsis speak, who place the G@ after the verb, and often both before and after.. Where is Gor Gor? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=7140&st=0&p=58130&hl=berem&fromsearch=1entry58130 Click on your favorite provincials here, in particular those of Garin, Sebastia and even Bolis to see the evolution of the GOR. I wish the sites were more detailed Who will write an expanded work on the subject before all those regional vernaculars are forever lost? http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%BF%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%B6%D5%B8_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D5%A5%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%BF%D5%AB%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%AB_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8A%D5%B8%D5%AC%D5%BD%D5%AB_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC Regional dialects. Note that, whoever compiled the list m either negligently or deliberately ignored the vernaculars of Kilikia, like thoos of Hajin, Marash, Muea Ler** and Zeitun. **In fact we see Kabousieh and Svedia. http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D5%BE%D5%A5%D5%A4%D5%AB%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%AB_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%94%D5%A1%D5%A2%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%BD%D5%AB%D5%A5%D5%AB_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D5%B5%D5%B8%D6%82%D6%80%D5%AB%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%AB_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%BF%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%A5%D5%A3%D5%B8%D6%80%D5%AB%D5%A1:%D4%B1%D5%B6%D5%A1%D5%BE%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%BF_%D5%B0%D5%B8%D5%A4%D5%BE%D5%A1%D5%AE%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80_%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC%D5%AB_%D5%B4%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%AB%D5%B6 http://nakhshkaryan.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/%D5%A2%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC/ Dialect- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dialect

One of the worst insults in arabo-muslim is calling one khanzeer ibn khanzeer, i.e pig son of a pig. Conversely in the Armenian, turko-muslim boys were called lakot, to put it mildly- puppy dog, and the girls were called khozak.khozik to mean little pg. In the Arabic haram means sin/sinful and NJS is the word for unclean. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%86%D8%AC%D8%B3

About dinozavrs http://www.encyclopedia.am/pages.php?bId=2&hId=192

Above, I had to bite my tongue to not joke . Look here; http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/99812/ http://www.panarmenian.net/arm/news/99812/  Armenian PM: elections will reveal “political dinosaurs” March 21, 2012 - 19:55 AMT PanARMENIAN.Net - Armenian Prime Minster called against charactering leaders of other parties to have jointed the electoral list of the ruling Republican Party of Armenia as “political dinosaurs.” “Political actors receive various assessments by analysts, critics and opposition forces. And elections will help us realize whether these characterizations are true to fact or not,” Tigran Sargsyan said. In this context, he recalled Karen Demirchyan’s comeback to big politics, who was by then already commonly believed as an old Soviet functionary. There ought to be a law!!! I wish we would go back to traditional orthography. See how they transliterated dinosaur to Armenian. DinoSAV@R ? If I didn’t know what we are talking about, I would have never known what that word is. WA/bolis Armenins will read that word as Tinosav@r. http://www.panorama.am/am/society/2013/06/25/h-m-adamyan/?sw http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dinosaur See the implications; 

http://www.panorama.am/g_image.php?id=267934&t=b http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2013/06/25/h-m-adamyan/ 15:17 25/06/2013 » Society Fossils of dinosaurs, flying lizards, elephants and three toe horses discovered in Armenia Nowadays Armenia pays little attention to archeology, Hayk Melik-Adamyan, a research officer at the Institute of Geology of the National Academy of Sciences of Armenia, told reporters in Yerevan, adding that the management of the Institute of Geology pays more attention to seismology. “The territory of Armenia and Artsakh is very interesting from the geological viewpoint. In fact, the 45,000 km of territory is a geological museum in the open air,” said the scientist. Speaking of archeological excavations, Melik-Adamyan said that fossils of dinosaurs were discovered in the territory of Armenia lately. These were not big, wild dinosaurs dating back 88-83 million years. According to the geologist, fossils of flying lizards were also discovered in excavations. These lizards were unique in the region. They date back 90 million years, were weighing 40-50 kg, were discovered in the territory of Vayk province of Armenia and the study in Saint Petersburg confirmed that they were flying lizards. Elephant fossils were discovered in the territory of Armenia and Artsakh, the scientist said. In particular, elephant fossils were discovered in the 30-40s near Gyumri, and fossils of rare forest elephants were discovered near the village of Norabats. Also, fossils of mammoths and three toe horses were discovered in Armenian excavations, Melik-Adamyan said

Yes madame Evita Peron. Some day soon we will sing Don’t cry for me aliyeva…

Biz@ fourqeren e. In English it is Awl http://images.wikia.com/thehungergames/images/0/0e/AWL.jpg http://images.wikia.com/thehungergames/images/0/0e/AWL.jpg Nra Hayeren@ Heriun e. http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=1479

From Libya with Love? No. From Libya with Hate. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html?pagewanted=all See how many times the name of that dirty bird comes up. http://farwesthatchery.intuitwebsites.com/Breed-Dtl/Turkeys_Detail/Photos/Bronze.jpg

SEBASTIA GABIRA The town was originally called Gabira i.e . home of the underground gods. In another post we saw that Sebastia was originally named Gabira. I have yet to find out why it was named Gabira. What are our historians and linguists doing other than talking about dolma and basturma? See # 24 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1554&st=20#entry306520 http://akunq.net/am/?p=8965 Did you know that there is another Sebastia in Palestine, the biblical Samaria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastia,_Nablus Both the Armenian Sebastia and the Palestinian one were renamed for the emperor Augustus, Sebaste in Greek http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D5%A5%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%BF%D5%AB%D5%A1 Famous Sebatatsis. Click on your favorite. The best known are Mkhitar Sebastatsim founder of the Mkhitarian Brotherhood and Daniel Varuzhan. http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D5%A5%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%BF%D5%AB%D5%A1#.D5.80.D5.A1.D5.B5.D5.BF.D5.B6.D5.AB_.D5.A1.D5.B6.D5.B1.D5.AB.D5.B6.D6.84_.D5.8D.D5.A5.D5.A2.D5.A1.D5.BD.D5.BF.D5.AB.D5.A1.D5.B5.D5.AB.D6.81 http://www.google.com/search?q=armenian+sebastia&rlz=1R2RNTN_enUS376&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=lrTBUcWmN_jI4AOetYDQDw&ved=0CFgQsAQ&biw=1052&bih=420 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastia,_Nablus When did Sebastia become Sivas? Remember that B and V are interchangeable as in Bagram- Bahram-Vahram. Just as H and G as in Vahramian-Bagramian; Just like Harry (Harut) becomes Garry Kasparov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivas http://www.adiyamanli.org/MapofTurkey/b6.htm === And now it is time for me to climb up my soap box. http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dba0048l.jpg http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dba0048l.jpg Soap Box https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox Why are there thousands of families name with the turkified variant of sivasli/svazli or many variations thereof, but none like Sebastatsi-ian? The best known; http://www.armenian-history.com/Nyuter/BIOGRAPHY/V-Svazlian.htm PS. We will talk about the Sebastia dialect in another post.

How old are they? Also see here about Goat Writings http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4479

You said chicken droppings, I didn’t. I would have said Goat droppings. See why below. There are hundreds of fables about pre-Mashtots writing, and how Lousavorich destroyed them all, we have yet to see even one evidence. How is it that Grigor, who erased every vestige of pre-Christian Armenia, missed the pagan hearth at the basement of Ejmiatsin, right under the Altar? See picture #4 here http://ejmiatsin.blogspot.com/ Like Johannes said above . Show us even one word written in the Danielian alphabet, or any pre Maashtots script. Goat Script, Armenian hieroglyphics, that are widely spread all over Armenia. For all I know, they may have been chiseled by Neanderthals.** http://www.aras.am/Archaeoastronomy/3.jpg http://www.aras.am/Archaeoastronomy/3.jpg The above is known as Aytsegir, Goat script in Armenian. More here; http://www.google.com/search?q=armenian+rock+drawings&rlz=1W1RNTN_enUS376&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=QvjAUbGVMpPG4AOjh4GIAQ&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1052&bih=420 There is no evidence that Armenians had any system of writing, in the modern sense except the above Aytsegir hieroglyphics, Goat Script, Rock etchings. , ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux According to the above those drawings are 17,000 years old, How old are the Armenian Rock carvings?

Humming bird is one word -hummingbird. Colibri in Italo-Latin See Meghrahav/ Meghratrchun, i.e honey bird; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=36701#entry285302

Yes Dear Johannes. I know that word , gebertmek, that means to kill an animal, like the Armenian satak/satketsnel. Like in shan satak. However, see where we spoke about Satak/Zatak/Zatik. I have a video where this furkish lakot says- Biz gavurlari geberttik, anasini siktik, bu daghdan (Zeitun) ashaghi attik.

And please do tell us. If in fact we had a Pre-Mashtots script, then why were we using Assyrian and Greek scripts, not Danielian in our (church) liturgy and literature?

Dear MAN, please read the forum before airing BULLSHITS, yes I said BULLSHIT like this. Please read the following; See #5 here. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12044#entry149248

At the risk of reviving a dead subject, (pun intended), digging old graves, if you will. My interest was piqued when I saw that Sebastia was originally named…. Another subject. The town was originally called Gabira i.e . home of the underground gods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Zoroastrians http://www.iranchamber.com/religions/articles/zoroaster_zoroastrians_in_iran.php See more at: http://www.iranchamber.com/religions/articles/zoroaster_zoroastrians_in_iran.php#sthash.cjNNZVN4.dpuf Gabr mahalle http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/kerman/page2.htm I thought maybe James Russell in his book Zoroastrianism in Armenia would have spoken about Gabt-Zorostrian priest. He does not, not directly anyway, but see what he says about Gabriel, the messenger angel, and the Armenian word Grogh. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=28090#entry272133

Although this belongs under the topic of Comedistan. It would be funny if not tragic, Search and see quotable quotes, bloopers by Sarah Palin. The most recent is when she wanted o invade the Czech Republic (Chechenya?) http://dailycurrant.com/2013/04/22/sarah-palin-calls-invasion-czech-republic/ This is ironic. No, it is scary, when she was the VP running partner with that other clown Sen, McCain, who suffers from PTSD and flashbacks from Vietnam, .who advocates to bomb all those A-rabs. Ay-raqis, Ay-ranians and other varmints. Whatever happened to saudi Ay-rabia, the staunch ally of the Christian World, who won‘t even allow airplanes from Christian countries to fly over Mecca? Not to forget that other staunch ally islam-tan-bull.and ankakara. # 529 above http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/27/mccain-syria/2363911/ It is even more scary when such comedians run for president and vice president of the USA. Is it any less comedic when A-bush was elected based on a single (rehearsed and staged ) quote of his all time hero was Jesus. Did he mean his next door neighbor Jose De Jesus (Hesus)?

Above I said Castle. Make that Palace.