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What if we read the I without the dot as the Armenian Ը . What do we get? Also note that that I used in other places like cikeri r..e ջիկարԸ And what do we get when we read the C as the Slavic C to sound like Ց/TS Ձ/DZ like Ձին ելար. You rode the horse? I have to read it more carefully to see more.

Anyone know what the matter is with AZG Daily on-Line? Is it that my bookmark is obsolete? The last time we saw it was on Dec. 27, 2013 when the editor wrote this, and promised to be back after the holidays. That was over a month ago. Not that I really care, as like many of our news media they just regurgitate the same old stale news, except their Culture Feature where one could see original articles. Searching the web I saw where they had been shut down before for taxation problems. Remember that AZG, just like the Mirror and ArmeniaNow is a mouthpiece and protégé of the Ramkavar Party and AGBU. I have said this before, contrary to the slogan News Never Sleeps, ours will find the slightest excuse to sleep at the drop of the hat, like Ground Hog day, Arbor Day. And Saturday and Sunday ( the Sabbath)** when other papers will print a ten ton edition with beside the junk they will have special features, knowing that on that day the average subscriber will read the paper cover to cover. **Yeah tight! We are so religiously devout as to keep the Sabbath Holy. -

Was the Silk Road a BOON or DOOM for us? We have seen reports of how Armenia was not only transit point for the spread to Europe in the West and Asia to the East of the Homo Sapiens from Africa, but also a focus of invasions for the likes of Mongols and furks who saw Armenia as a launching pad on their way to Europe. Not unlike those from the West-Romans, Byzantians, French and English. The South, Persians and Arabs. Is it any different now? From the North, Russians who still consider Armenia a launch pad for a conquest of the rest of the Middle East. --- From Ashkhabad to Artashat? Plzease note that Ashkhabad is the capital city of TURK-menistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashgabat ** Askh-a- Bad City of Love? ** See the connection between the so called Armenian ԱՇՈՒՂ ashough/lover and the Arabic Asheq عشق‌ How many families do you know named Ashekian? Is Turkmen-Istan a next door neighbor of Emen-Istan, Hay-Istan?** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationTurkmenistan.svg ** How about we forget all that Stan-Astan/Istan as in Hayastan and rename the country by its original name ԱՐՄԵՆԻԱ/ARMENIA. Hi Armen/ Armenak . Me silly goof? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=34996&hl=hayastan&do=findComment&comment=311103

You mean this/ http://www.nbcnews.com/science/dark-skin-blue-eyes-genes-paint-picture-7-000-year-2D11996418 The so called Armenian family name Goekgoezian , also Gowvgoezian means (sky) blue eyed, in the Armenian it is ԿԱՊՈՒՏԱԿԵԱՆ Կապոյտ/Kaputakian or ԿԱՊՈՒՏԻԿԵԱՆ/Kaputikian Կապոյտ=blue ակ=eye. Why were Sylvas ancestors named so? PS. I dont have blue eyes, both of my brothers do. What is the reason why my blue eyed brother would always darken the TV screen? Why do the northerners who live in dim light are blue eyed, but those in the sunlit south have dark eyes ?

Hagop, do you know any more about this fable? A sidestep from the main theme of the present thread, maybe. -------- However credible it may be, We have so maligned him that his name has become a swear word. Most information about Abeghian was written and published during Soviet times Just as any and all reference to him on the internet is simply a regurgitation from the sanitized and sovietized SAE, Soviet Armenian Encyclopedia, aka Hnaragitarsm,** where he is all but sanctified in a pantheon along with the likes of Mashtots. I have seen unsubstantiated rumors that at the time he fought tooth an nail to avert the impending amending of Armenian orthography and alphabet to the Cyrillic, or to Latin at best, by those more Bolshevik than Lenin types who were. afflicted with an inferiority complex syndrome.. Until Manouk relented and compromised to a middle of the way measure to amend and reinvent the Armenian Mesropian Alphabet. It is no different now, as our friends in Yerevan still insist that we dont need the letters Է, Ւ and Օ, but they find a way to cram the already overly crowded keyboard by inserting that inane non-letter և/YEV, who dont know what we knew in kidergarten that YEV was placed after Ւ Փ Ք to separate the Mesropian from the later addition of Օ/O and Ֆ/F, when our friends in Kilikia did not know that we already had the diphthong ԱՒAU=O and F, what we call Pyur Փ, which was fashioned like the Greek Փ to sound like PH=F, just because at one time we had trouble to produce the sound of F , and instead we preannounce it as P. I read somewhere tht even today the Artsakhtisis still have that problem with the sound of F and they convert it to P. It is like when we transliterated the Latin Foor//forno to փուռ/poor and philisopha /filisofa to փիլոսոփա/pilosopa, and Philip /Filip to ՓԻԼԻՊՈՍ ---- **Speaking of that heap of trash aka Hanragitaran,only next to that other heap of trash aka the OT, when I spoke to one of the contributing editors , he promised that it would soon be revised and all those mehmetoghlus ,alievs and azizbekovs would be removed. We are still waiting? NOOTT!!! That was over 20 years ago, yet no revision. See where the todays Vayots Dzor was named azizbekov, whoever the XYZ he may have been. To not forget leninakan, Kirovabad (kara kilisa) and Alavedi -allah Verdi- god gave, chanakhchI/Sovetahsen. How about all those places named for that blasted commie clown Stepan Shahumian? Yeah right! Like he built Stepanakert and Stepanavam (it was known as jalaoghlu when he was born) was he the governor of the Shahumian*** district That commie canine died a dogs death in bokhu, a thousand miles away from Yerevan!!! ***It is reminiscent of the Amercan mythology of Wsahington Slept Here.

I am sure when you "accuse" me of being an admirer of Abeghian is in sarcasm. Some admire him so much as to name the philological institute of YSU in his name. I don't. I disdain him for being such a coward as opposed to the fearless diminutive Giant Ajarian, who defied the KGB and dared to publish his masterpiece Armatakan in the Mrsropian Orthography . Abeghian, the ball-less coward that he was could only compromise and eliminatethe letters E Hiun and O , and instead added that stupid YEV. Why is it that when we talk about such matters our Dolmaji and Basturmaji friends remain quiet? Parev Paron SeTraG MamoulJan!/Dolmajian

An excellent article in Keghart. Written by Levon Sharoyan of Aleppo, translated by Vahe Apelian. Hagop Martayan, aka Dilachar Sadly and ironically all this was happenning simultaneously at the time when those idiots in Yerevan were F-ing up and bastardizing the Sacred Mesropian Language. We are so good serving the sultan, but we defecate on our own saints. No Hagop did not defecate on our Saints. See below. Where are our own Hagop Lezouabats@s ==== http://www.keghart.com/Sharoyan-Apelian-Dilacar http://www.keghart.com/print/3060

Yes Partez/garden means paradise as in Edemi Partez, Garden of Eden, from the Persian Firdaus. And as to POPOK/bobog, it is the rind /peel of the yet green walnut.

If you think I dont buy that cockamamie story/fable of that accident? Youre right. How is it that, in that devastating accident both passengers at the front seat died, but those in the rear seat were unscathed and without a scratch? Remember that in those days there were no seatbelts or childrens car seats. Did anyone take a picture of that car after the accident? If so, where is it? BTW. Hagop, you often invoke the Ka Ge Be, KGB, you forget that many of those agents spoke armanski. Remember the Inquisition that Ajarian underwent, accused of being furko-British spy, when his frail body was tortured, spat upon and slapped. Those were Armenian speaking inqusitors. I cant find that heart rending story. Look here and see KGB and NKVD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrachia_Adjarian

I can't find it now either. The way I remember, the children had said, a truck had obstructed their way and men with guns had fired at them. Today Paruyr would have been 90 years old, and if his children are still living, would be 60-70 years old.

Will we ever know the truth? When will the archives be opened to see the circumstances of the fate of the likes of Abovian, Chrents, Bakunts Yessayan**,. Mahari and many more Sylva's father (See her quasi-confession in her Ho@s, pleading for his forgiveness). I have been at that place where Sevak was killed by a so called avto-vtar, auto accident. On our way back from Sevaks birtplace, now called Zancakatun (previously known as chanakhchi, sovetashen and Sevakashen respectively). After traveling on snakily windingdangerous roads, we came to an open area where one could see for miles, our tour guide said that it was where Sevak had died. I read somewhere that his the then preteen children who were sittin in the back seat had said that people with kalashnikovs had fired at them. ** http://www.reporter.am/go/article/2009-03-05--finding-zabel-yesayan--a-film

Yet another wonderful picture. Thank you Onjig. You spelled it as SoonG I would have spelled it as ՍՈՒՆԿ/SoonK. I did not have to look it up, but I did, to see that it has to do with Fungus (mushroom). It is a common phenomenon when F and S are interchanged and visa versa. Look. http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=2280

It is so good to see some of our old friends, and read their impeccably perfect Armenian and English as the case may be.. Bravo Hagop and Johannes. Please continue and regale us with the wonderfully Sacred Mesropian Vernacular. I wish our other friends would come back, and continue their purely armenocentric contributions, be they culture, history, literature or music. It may have been sheer coincidence when I blew my top SORRY!!! when we were talking about the so called Armenian Cuisine, where 99.9% of the words used were in that cursed non-language. Perhaps it was also coincidental, when simultaneously some new members barged in with their inane posts in the Religion and Theology categories, posts that had nothing to do with Armenian issues. Until, somewhat belatedly Movses aired this. Where the chefs speak Armenian, not pomidire/lolik, not badenjan/smbouk, no khiyma/ Khjoghak etc. Inch yepel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDnLv9495tk Shall we go back here, and resume where we left off? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=56736&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=313113 Can we go back and re-LEARN ARMENIAN? Only if our friends in Yerevan relearn the Armenian Language Never mind the ruski, turkski, parski dolma, basturma, yalanchi , pomidore, (golden apple) kardofil (German=earth apple==getnakhndzor =գետնախնձոր-pomme de terre ) etc. Potato head indeed. How difficult is it to say Get (na)khndzor , 3 syllables than kartofil, 3 syllables.? Getin-earth, noun and getni/getna getna - Teach us Armenian Grammar. Which is it? ,Սէռական/ serakan, դրական/ drakan, հաեցական/haytsakan,, գործիական/gortsiakan? Nominal, adjective/or adverb?. Potato head indeed, kartopfiel head karto-kopf. https://www.google.com/search?q=potato+head&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4RNTN_enUS376US445&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=Ff19MxjbYH0RaM%3A%3Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRDA3EVGwLZAlxUFvveUomLzMXH6aL-qGlwhpM39UjwJbecGya8%3B338%3B407%3BkgpRkH4es2kP7M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fdisney.wikia.com%252Fwiki%252FMr._Potato_Head&sa=X&ei=9XzmUu7nJfD8yAGgqIC4BA&sqi=2&ved=0CFMQ9QEwAw&biw=1044&bih=416 Why cant we do like Greeks who add the ES suffix to every word, like tomatat=tomates, patata=patates. Note that both Tomato and Potato are relatively new words (500 years?) imported from the New World, America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato

Who the &*%*#$% is this clown ?** How and why did they choose to spread their garbage here, as if we dont have enough of our own? Would our fearless leaders please choose to delete or hide it? **One MAN is already too many to spread this kind of garbage disguised as religion.

WOW!! I am so glad beyond description, that we are back to talking about Armenian Culture. It beats by 10 thousand miles those inane arguments about dolma being from Urarto-Armenian toli/tolma. Note the D/Դ in dolma and the T/Տ in Toli.. When did the Yerevanites start speaking bolsahyeren where the D turns to T? Like When Baronian becomes Paronyan

Yes Hagop, I believe what my son the philosopher said " If it is not broken. Break it!!

So!! The Basque speak Armenian? Physician heal thyself. Բժիշկ բժշկեայ զանձն քո: Speaking of losing ones soul , look at the tragically sorry state of the Armenian Language. 25% furkish, 25% Persian, 25% bastardized russo-latin. What is left? RIP St. Mesrop!!! Արամազդը** հոգին լուսավորէ: **Ես Աստուծոյ Անունը պարապ տեղ չեմ բերաներ:

We are so adapt in beating water -Ջուր ծեծել: This whole debate is, crudely put - Այրուած սրտի %^&*$ մխիթարանք: Crying over spilled milk. Վայ Կիկոս Ջան վայ: Like we taught the whole world including the Celts, the Britons, the Basque et al how to speak, while in the meantime, for over 40 millennia we did not have a written language.. How we, the Paulicians taught Martin Luther how to Protest. Old Martin was not massacred but the Paulicians and the Thondrakians were fraternally massacred. This is reminiscent of what Jesus said 2000 years ago about man gaining the whole world, but losing his own soul. Sadly, in our case, WE HAVE LOST NOT ONLY THE WORLD, BUT OUR VERY SOUL AS WELL. Զինչ օգտիցի մարդ՝ եթէ զաշխարհս ամենայն շահեսցի, եւ զանձն իւր տուժեսցի: Bible Verses about Gain The Whole World Matthew 16:26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?

I am so glad to see our friends Hagop and Johannes talking again after a long well deserved nap./մրափ. I dont intend to trivialize this serious and highly intellectual debate, but allow me to be a little silly I am so glad to see that my old buddy Hagop has waken up after a long nap. We do appreciate his highly intellectual and well researched contributions. Յագոբ Եղբայր ննջում՞, մրափում Էիր: It spares me from singing this silly ditty. ---- Յագոբ եղբայր, Յագոբ եղբայր արթնցիր Զանգակները կը հնչեն Դինկ դանկ դոնկ: Անգլերէն տարբերակը կասէ Օհան եղբայր: --- Are you sleeping, are you sleeping? Brother John, Brother John? Morning bells are ringing, morning bells are ringing Ding dang dong, ding da ng dong. ----- Add the Armenian Ը as Frere /Ֆրերը. And Jacques/Ժաքը: --- Frère Jacques, frère Jacques, Dormez-vous ? Dormez-vous ? Sonnez les matines ! Sonnez les matines ! Ding, daing, dong. Ding, daing, dong. --- And now, after all that levity I will step aside and let Hagop and Johannes continue. We are so appreciative/ գննահատ and grateful, երախտապարտ.

==== Yes, Marashtsis say hots for bread/ hats, just like often the A turns to O. Like bats/open becomes bots as in drnbats/drnbots. the Feast of Akhots which actually is agh- ou- hots, salt and bread .The Musa Leratsis say hoots I know a little naughty joke/slogan which I may air at another time. This is interesting. Are you saying that you speak Adana Armenian dialect? My personal observation in Aleppo and Beirut was that, of all the Kiliketsis, like Marash, Zeitun , Hajin and others who had and spoke their native dialects, it seemed like the Adanatsis did not have one, and those who spoke Armenian, it was relearned at school. See quote below. http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ադնա The Armenians of Adana, during the 300 years of ottoman rule had been totally turkish speaking until later they rediscovered their own Armenian language. === ==== Dear Onjig, can you show us more samples of the Adana Armenian dialect? When youre ready please post it here. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15940

Look above to see what they are making.

Here they are making Terev Patuk, Grape Leaf Wrap. Some may call it by its furkish name dolma,sarma etc. But, sorry even though I know furkish I don't speak it, hoping none of us do. I hope to not reopen that disgusting thread about dolma.

Վերէւ ես ասի որ Աճառեանը կանտեսէ Արաբերէնը եւ կը հէնու 0սմանլի քամուսի, լրիվ անտեսեէլով Արամերէնը: Միթէ նա գիտեր՞ որ օսմանա արաբերէնը մեծ մասամ Արամերէն է: Յիսուս Արամերէն կը խօսէր:Երբ նա ըսաւ Տալիտա Քումի , դա նաշանակի Աղջնակ ելիր, կանքնիր, յարուցիր: Եւ երբ նա ըսաւ Eli, Eli lama Sabatini, Արաբերէն գիտցողները գիտէն որ այդ սա է: Ilahi, Ilahi lima sabaqni, Why did you get ahead of me, why did you leave me behin, why did you beat me at the foot race. Ինչու ինձ անցար, ինչու զիս ետ թողուցիր, ինչու ինձ յաղթեցիր մրցարշավի ընթացքին: Օհաննէս մեզ գրիր թէ այդ խօսքը ինչպէս գրուի Արաբատառով:

Yes Ajarian is a student of HMB (Hubschmann, Meillet and Benvenista) who were not Armenian. Remember that Urartu was discovered by non-Armenians as well. I have said this before. Now we have the luxury of the access to much more sources, including the Internet. Ajarian lived and worked in the old stone age as opposed to the new stone age of Silicon**. Can he be corrected? Yes! Even I, as stupid as I am see and have seen many passages that need to be revised. Although, I am sure he could read the Arabic script, he totally ignores the Arabic origin of certain words, instead he cites the osmanli qamous. I am not sure if he bases his assumptions of Pahalavi origins, if he actually can read old Pahlavi or is it based on Arabo-Farsi script? He often refers to the Assyrian, specially when it comes to our words ending in այ/ay as in քահանայ, աբեղայ etc. Seems like those and other words were qahanaY and abeghaY in the Assyrian. ** Shall we rename Silicon Valley- Old Stone Age Valley, Karahunj, Stonehenge? Also remember that some say Kilikia/Cilicia/Silicia means stony./calcareous/calculous.

Սիրելիներ Յագոբ եւ Օհաննէս , ինչու՞ Լատինատառ եք գրում: Մանաւանդ բօլսա- թրքա հայ հնչունականով՞: Ինչպէս գրագէտ դառնայ kraked եւ ոչ graget: Յագոբը ընտիր Հայերէն գիտէ, կը կարդայ եւ կը գրէ, թէեւ մի ժամանակ ըսաւ թէ ինք տակաւին Unicode-AM չի կիրարել: Սա գրելուս պարճառը, ես յաճախ դժուար կը կարդամ լատինատառով գրուածը, եւ յաճախ իմաստը կը կորցնեմ: Այո, կը հասկանամ, գուցէ մեր զրուցակիցներէն ոմանք չեն կարող Մեսրոպատառ Հայերէն կարդալ: Բայց նմանապէս, նրանք լատինատառն ալ պիտի չի հասկանան: PS. Hagop, did you download the Unicode -Am yet? If not, see where Harut showed us how to apply it. PPS See how I spelled Jacob as Յագոբ not Հակոպ. Even if in the original Aramaic it is Yaqoub/Yakhoub. Search and see how many Yakoubian-s there are.