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  1. Let us go back to this thread and see how many errors and inconsistencies we can find . Like I said in another post, CK Garabed and his Daughter Lucine should look beyond the (obvious)furkish and look into Arabic, which they seem to be unaware of. edeb is not furkish, it is Arabic to mean culture, education and civilization. http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Dikranagerdtsi_Vernacular_Handbook_In_English_Transliteration Remember that bitch Halide Edip who collected Armenian orphans and tried to turkify them?
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    I have noticed some omissions and some errors at the above article by CK. Let us take each of them in turn and see. In addition to his claim of knowing furkish, he should also search the Arabic language. Among many. A sample. Ma Sha Allah http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=8443&page=3&&do=findComment&comment=100230
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    Words Of Wisdom

    As much as I hate to respond to any thread written by that hatemonger, even more so of my reluctance to respond to the nonsense by Ara B. (No, he is not dead, he still spreads his stink in other forums). . We have said it so many times how he hates everybody, Arab -Armeniansm tutk-Armenians . America Armenians, and the list goes on and on. Besides he contradicts himself even in the same paragraph, Now he says, against all the others those of AR ar the most loving of them all.. But we do remember what he said about Yerevan boys . Was it you Yervant who responded to his comment, this? See #s 13 and 18 here. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=48647&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=301937 See also this , # 3 my warning to Samuel http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=57382&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=314015 PS. PLEASE BAN THE IDIOT AND LET US GET BACK TO THE INTENDED THEMES OF THIS FORUM.
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    Words Of Wisdom

    Dear Mos, why are you even responding to that IDIOT? It is bad for your mental health! And as to mental health, I wonder which mental institution he writes from. Who pay his fees for his participation in the Internet?
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    I know that Lucine Kasbarian is his daughter. Could you please expand an elaborate what your message is?
  6. HAMAM and HAMMAM Hamam Amatuni, the Founder of Hmamshen./Hamshen. Note the single M and the double M-s In another thread that was mercifully hidden by our ever dilligent Mods, a friend of ours had said that the word hamam was when an Armenian built a bath and the furks liked it. I assumed the talk was about Hamam Amatuni, the founder of Hamamshen,i.e Built by Hamam later abbreviated to Hamshen.. At that time, my not so rhetorical question was. Would you name your child bathroom? Who names their child bathroom/toilet? https://www.google.com/search?q=toilet+pictures&tbm=isch&imgil=GMZJQWgJwWL57M%3A%3Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTQBeXduQXdkjOx6Rx-pxAbGh3ryLoQctaFwUBqTURNoe0CtTwF%3B2646%3B3647%3Ba43uBRofu7IlJM%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.soccershotsfranchising.com%2F2013%2F05%2Fits-only-toilet-water-after-all%2F&source=iu&usg=__oUuMt8Irir3B2vf0xl1_SBQqF5M%3D&sa=X&ei=gzLxUq_VOafM2AWr14GACw&sqi=2&ved=0CC0Q9QEwAw&biw=1039&bih=416 Speaking of Hamam meaning bath-room as in Hamam Amatuni, the founder of Hamshen abbreviated from Hamamshen, built by Hamam. And that his name did not mean bathroom, but Dove from the Arabic. https://www.google.com/search?q=dove+pictures&tbm=isch&imgil=1vbRkvN053USZM%3A%3Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcQpOh67DUiLNvjHHWTMPN5g2G4oWQRRvOU-5xerBWqgOWD0TBej%3B1200%3B1072%3BjLvFQ0mxkhWTXM%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.hdwallpaperspin.com%2Fdove-pictures.html&source=iu&usg=__cCeo9hneNtVKclCU6Gi9b560rvg%3D&sa=X&ei=kTTxUqeyJ46O2gXrroHYBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQ9QEwAQ&biw=1039&bih=416 See # 9 here http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18513&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=246737 And see what Joahannes sais here at #!2 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18513&st=0 See below that hamam , single M means dove and the word for bath is spelled with double Ms , from the Arabic hmma= heat, spa, steam, hot room.** http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/حام Also note that hamam with the single M means and the long A means Dove while hammamwith the double Ms is spelled with the short A. HamAm as in bath, as opposed to hamAAm, Dove.. ** Consider the term beyin ummasu/hummasu from that other cursed language , to mean heat stricken viral brain, disease ; encephalitis..
  7. Thank you Mods for removing the latest, and my outburst in response. Please ADVIISE THAT IDIOTIC COMEDIAN TO NEVER AGAIN TALK ABOUT "ARAB ARMENIANS". If he only knew half as much as us??!!
  8. How about our Ads and Mods ban you and your auntie Christie forever to never come back to pollute the air with your cultic garbage???
  9. What the XYZ are you talking about? He we are talking about Sassoun and Tigranakert Dialects and you show us dancing monkeys. Do you have to say anything intelligent about the subject? Otherwise shut the &(*%$ up! Go back to your XYZ auntie christe
  10. In Aleppo we used to poke jokes at the sassountsis, most of whom were bakers, furunji, praban Ertam sassoun banam furun, yepem lahmajoun.
  11. What the F in the world are you talking about? Shall we assume that you are of Sassoun or Tigranakert origin? If so. Then please write something in those Dialects.
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    Surnames CK Garabed Names http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/What's_in_a_Name%3F_The_Etymology_of_Armenian_Surnames Surnames http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12682&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=1561537 http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/What's_in_a_Name%3F_The_Etymology_of_Armenian_Surnames I can add more. My most hated favorite surname chirkinian meaning ugly You MF ! Your mother is UGLY!! What's in a Name? The Etymology of Armenian Surnames Back some time ago, I was struck by how many Armenians didnt know the meaning of their names. It was a pleasure to conduct research and then pass on the results. I felt gratified in helping people learn more about their names. Curiosity was my first motivation for exploring the subject of Armenian family names. However, I then came to appreciate the diverse nature of Armenian surnames, which appear to cover the gamut of our ancestors life activities in the Old Country. I found that many interesting and unusual names cannot be deciphered merely by looking them up in books, but also require a knowledge of the circumstances leading to the formation of such names. In many cases, direct contact with their owners is needed in order to get the insiders views. With names like Chukhasuzian, Haviters, and Soghanyemezian, sometimes I think we Armenians, more than any other ethnic group, possess the most fascinating surnames. I should qualify that by acknowledging the level of interest contained in the names of some of our odar spouses. In reviewing the passenger list, I noticed some very interesting non-Armenian names, and I have tried to decipher some of them. So, those of you in attendance who possess non-Armenian names, dont hesitate to fill out the form if you would like me to tackle them. If I dont already know, Ill do my best to find out and communicate the results to you. Now for my lecture -- What's in a Name? (The Etymology of Armenian Surnames) Intro- Non-expert (Linguist, Philologist) on names/ languages. 25 years ago started collecting names from church directories and donor lists as a hobby. Manually. Then personal computer. 7000 names collected to date. Task of collecting names has been made easier by publication of Yellow pages in CA. Daughter dictionaries. Cesar Chekijian - book on Armenian names from Armenia. Indo-European language tree. (Slide #1) Mother Tongue (Slide #2) Indo-European Branch (Slide #3) Anatolia International language-Esperanto/English? (Slide #4) -- Ough bough, cough, dough, rough, through (Slide #5) -- Ghoti = fish (Shaw) (Slide #6) -- M. Mead, Sol Tax, anthropologists. Interaction among languages is quite common in history. French, Italian and Spanish are derived from Latin. English is Teutonic in structure, while its vocabulary is 75% French- Latin. English has been influenced by the same languages that have influenced Armenian, notably Persian and Arabic. Persian influence on English can be seen in the following: Cummerbund = kamarband (waistband) Orange = Naranj Checkmate = Shahmat (The king is dead). (Persian/Arabic) Arabic influence on English can be seen in the following: Algebra = al jabra = reduction of parts to a whole Cipher = zero = sifr, (Roman vs. Arabic numerals) Divide/Multiply (enemies/conquests) Admiral = Amir al bahr = Lord of the sea. (Admirable?) The Turkish influence on English is negligible. All we come away with is Turkish Bath, Turkish Towel, Turkish Coffee, and Turkish Delight. Armenian has likewise been influenced by interaction with Persian and Arabic. Armenian use of Persian vocabulary (English Persian dictionary) - List anginar, azad, bakht, bulbul, dard, dushvar, dumbak, gav, haiwan, jins, jan, lubiyah, mard, nishan, pishgir, parishan, panir, pambah, paiman, turshi,, tut, yar. Krikor Pidedjian = Aryan languages. Mardig Soghomian - Shah of Iran to scholars Persian names also end in IAN - Rezvanian Armenian use of Arabic vocabulary - mashallah (beautiful! how strange!), tabak, (plate, dish), tanjara (saucepan, pot), Haji (pilgrim) vs. Mukhsi (Mahdesi). (Maqdasi-y: Arab.) Mecca vs. Jerusalem. Saatjian vs. Zhamakordzian, Armenian has been heavily influenced by interaction with Turkish, especially in the formation of surnames. 5. Armenian use of Turkish vocabulary - Preponderance of Armenian surnames possess a Turkish root: (Lt. Col. H. Sachaklian, [Peynir, sheker] Hagop Kasbarian) The Armenians and the Jews There was a time when people were known by one name, and if necessary to distinguish one from others, would be referred to by trade, location, or parent affiliation. For example, Resartus the tailor, Isaac of York, Abou ben Adhem. Then, some time later, not too long ago, people adopted family or surnames, so we got Herman Miller, Hovsep Shamlian, Jack Johnson. An interesting parallel can be drawn between the Jews of Germany and the Armenians of Turkey. In both cases, sometime about the eighteenth century, the rulers of those countries mandated the adoption of family names in the language of the host countries. The difference is that whereas the German Jews were often permitted to select their names, the Turkish Armenians were often assigned names by local officials. Thus came about the adoption by Jews of beautiful names, such as: Morgenthau (morning dew), Schoenberg (beautiful mountain), Blumenthal (blooming dale), Mandelbaum (almond tree), Saperstein (sapphire stone). The Armenians, on the other hand, were often as not given uncomplimentary names, in derision. For example: Topalian (lame, crippled), Chirkinian (ugly), Dilsizian (mute, without a tongue), Chukhasuzian (without an overcoat), Jambazian (acrobat, swindler), Tekirian (marked with spots), Zulumian (cruel, oppressive). Armenian names may possess endings such as ian, iantz, oghlu and ov, but their stems reflect royal lineage, trade, geographic location, description, and proper name. Examples: Lineage: Abahuni Amaduni Ardzruni (Armenian dynasty; Possessing eagles) Arshaguni (Royal house of King Arshag) Darduni Kachaznuni (Valiant, son of the brave) Marduni ? Pakraduni (Created or given by god Mihr) Rshduni (Armenian dynasty) Trade: Dulgerian, Doghramajian, Marangozian, Najarian, Hiusenian (carpenter) Demirjian, Nalbandian, Tarpinian, Chilingirian, Vosgerichian, Kalayjian, Haddad (smith) Kuyumjian, Jafargian (Javahirjian), Koharian (jeweler) Darakjian vs. Sandrakordzian (comb-maker) Tutunjian vs. Tombekjian (tobacconist): common tobacco vs. Persian tobacco for nargile (water-pipe) Deirmenjian vs. Chaghatsbanian (miller) Geographic location: Lachinian, Marashian, Shamlian, Terjanian, Stamboulian, Bolsetsian. Description: Khachadourian (given by the cross), Aznavourian (titan, hero), Melikian (king, prince), Melekian (angel), Manougian (youth), Mangasarian (small mountain), Shahdanian = Shah (king) + dan (house) vs. danil/danel = to take, carry, bear (tolerate) Proper names: Davidian, Garabedian, Sahagian, Mesrobian, Hagopian (Jackson). Dadoyan: Thaddeus > Tad > Dad (Karabagh) (Location?) Detective work: Name changes - Bohajian, Kahaumjian. Kerbeykian: Kur = grey, buyuk = moustache Akim Tamiroff - (Hovakim Tamirian) - Hovagim: Biblical name, demir: iron. Inchighoulian = what a giant! vs. inji + goul = pearl rose vs. inji + oghoul = pearl + son. Shareshian ipek = (T.) silk m;taqs (medaks) = (Arm.) silk (from Greek: metaxi) apri,oum (abrishoom) = (T.) sewing silk (from Arab: ibrishim) ipri,im (ibrishim) = (Arab.) silk thread (from Persian: abrishum) ,;ram (sheram) = (Arm.) silkworm ,;ramabou/oujiun (sheramapoodzootiun) = (Arm.) sericulture ,arma[ (sharmagh) = (Arm.) silk-sieve Prof. Hagopian, Anatolia College, Merzifoun, turkey h, (esh) = (Arm.) donkey, ass. esh = (T.) one of a pair; husband, wife, mate eshek = (T.) donkey, ass. eshik = (T.) doorway threshold, violin bridge. s;w (sev) = (Arm.) black kara =(T.) black siyah = (P.) black; also (T.) black, dark. It is possible that share (of silk in Arm.)plus siyah (black in P.) = Sharesiyah plus ian = Sharesiyahian, which was contracted to Sharesian, subsequently became Shareshian. Spelling and Country of Origin (Slide #7) Keshishian vs. Kechichian Harutunian vs. Arutunian (yan) Ohanesian vs. Oganesian (yan) (Hopak vs. Gopak; Horowitx vs. Gorovetz) Vapurdjian vs. Vapurciyan Intermission (Q & A) Other interesting or unusual names: Adjeledjian: (T) Someone always in a hurry Altiparmakian (T) One with six fingers Arkun (T/A) According to Aram Arkun, currently the editor of AGBUs Literary Quarterly ARARAT, this is his reply to my question about the derivation and meaning of his surname: My Sepastatsi grandfathers name was originally Yesai Karageuzian. He is said to have traced his genealogy back 400 years to Van, with clergy in the family tree. Unfortunately, the information is lost to us. My grandfather was a physician in the Turkish army during WW I. For obvious reasons he changed his name to Ismail Shevket. His last name was probably formally changed during the name law in the 1930s to Arkun.. My grandfather was an amateur philologist, and I perceive a correlation between Shevket and Arkun, which latter can be construed as both Armenian and Turkish. Shevket, in Turkish, means majesty, pomp. Arkun, in Armenian, is a form of arka, a term used to describe a king or royalty. Thus, Arkun (or Arkuni) would mean, of the royal court, or, belonging to the king. In Turkish, as far as I know, Arkun has two meanings: soft, gentle; the name of a Mongol Ilkhanid ruler Arghun (the gh sound changed to k in modern Turkish.) For the foregoing reasons, there is only one family group with the name Arkun. As an interesting aside, I would mention that during the 1930s name change law, those who had changed their names earlier now had to register their names. Others were forced to take on new names. For example, a couple on my mothers side went together to the same registry official. One was given the name Karabulut, black cloud, and the other Siyahbulut, also black cloud, siyah having been borrowed from Persian. The official was apparently playing a cruel joke on the couple by assiging different last names with the same meaning. They had a great deal of difficulty in trying to get the same last name for both husband and wife. Arnavoudian (Al) Eddie Arnavoudian, who is a regular contributor to Groung on the Internet, has the following to say about his family name as it was handed down to him: My dads side of the family were from an area around Istanbul called Arnavoudkoy or something like that. The area was named after it was settled by emigrants from European Albania called Arnavouds. The Arnavouds were divided in their religion, one part Christian, the other Muslim. How they became Armenianised or why our family adopted this name if they were not actually Arnavouds will remain an eternal mystery. Bajaksuzian; (T) Legless; short man Boynubouroukian (T) One with a twisted neck Chekijian Relative of Puzant Granian. Chekich vs. cheki (500 lbs for measuring firewood a horseload). Chukhasuzian: (T) Without a winter overcoat Dilimetin (T) Firm, strong tongue; Trustworthy Geuzugeutchugian (T) Small or deep-set eyes Hajian (Mecca) vs. Mukhsian, Mahdesian, Mahdesi, Maqdis-y (Jerusalem) Iguidbashian (T) Iguid: Var.of Yighit: brave. Bash: head; leader of brave men; (formerly) man responsible for carrying out the regulations of a guild. Jafargian: (T) From Javahirji: Jeweler, gemologist Jingabedoghlu (T) A certain family migrated to the U.S.A. from Istanbul, Turkey with this unique name. The original name of the family was Mgrdichian. However, the grandfather, who had a given name of Garabed, earned the name of Jin-Garabed because he was shrewdly intelligent; jinni in Arabian folklore being related to genius. Jin-Garabed was, in time, abbreviated to Jin-Gabed, and thus the family name became Jingabedoghlu, or son of Jingabed. Kantzian (A) Treasure. However, really Khantzian (T) Native of village of Khan to Sepastia Kanayan (T) blood. From Khudaverdi in the Lake urmia region came 5 brothers to Igdir. They were a rough crowd, and became land barons; then became respectable.(Mardig Kanayan, son of General Dro.) Kavazanjian (A/T/A): Stick, staff, cane.P-gav + asa prod/urge cow on path to meadow (Nasreddin Khoja - baby cow) Kiledjian (T) (Kile: measure of capacity just over a bushel) Weighmaster. Mghtsavanchian (A) Nightmare.(Family in Florida per Angel Manoogian) Oulouhojian (Wolohojian) (T) ulu: high, great; Hoja: Moslem teacher, priest (Avak Kahana) Soghanyemezian (T) One who does not eat onions Tazian Greyhound (Retriever for Turkish hunters.) Terlemezian: (T) One who does not sweat. Dajad-assignment-no sweat. Legend has it that an invading shah of Persia taxed the citizens of Van so severely that when they met evry fresh demand of his he was prompted to say, Dont these people sweat? (Arpi Haroutunian)- Terlemezian is a Turkification of Talamazi: those with long-hair in the current sense of intellectual, who were also guards of the Armenian rulers of former times Tololian- Corruption of Tel Volor (thread spinner), a name bestowed on the great great grandmother of . Khachig Totolian, professor of history at Wesleyan U., and the son of Minas Teoleolian, former editor of the Hairenik Daily. Before that, the family name was Sarkisyan. Totolian is a name unique to that family and Khachig is the last of the line. Vapurciyan: Vapur = steamship, vapurji = S.S. builder, owner, operator, crewmember. Hajakian: (As told to me by Yeghishe Hajakian) Once there lived a man named Hagop who was a supervisor at the stable of the Padishah of the land. His jovial disposition and assiduous attitude for his work had earned him an unswerving trust of his employer, his master, his king. The people around him, the Turks, could not pronounce his Armenian name Hagop, instead they called him AKUH. One bright day the Padishah receives a gift from some prince. It was a most ravishing, gorgeous looking, a rare breed of an Arabian white horse. Akuh, the horse keeper, falls in love with this horse and decides to steal it and ride all the way to Jerusalem. He disappears for seven years never to be heard from. The Padishah, realizing that Akuh was more valuable to him than just a horse, issues a Firman (an edict) declaring that he has forgiven Akuh for his misdemeanor and that wherever this Akuh is he should return to the court and resume his work at the stable. Lo and behold, Akuh returns home with a big welcome to spend the rest of his life as a contrite employee and determined to make up for his mistake. The horse had passed away but in Jerusalem he becomes emblazoned with a cross tattooed on his wrist thus becoming a Hadji. The Turks, therafter, call him HADJI AKUH. Hadji Akuh was Yeghishes great, great, great, great, great grandfather. Yeghishe was born in Lebanon as Hadjiakuian (son of Hadji Akuh). It was too long, so he shortened it to Hajakian. Haviters: (T) Contrary nap (rug). In the city of Sepastia in Turkish Armenia, there lived and worked two master rug weavers. A wealthy resident of the city wished to have a rug woven and commissioned one of the weavers to do the job. The weaver commenced the work, but when halfway through, died of consumption. The wealthy man who had commissioned the work then approached the other weaver to complete the job. This other master weaver accepted the offer, but being a proud artisan, decided to complete the job his own way. So, instead of picking up where the other had left off, he commenced from the other side and when he had gone for enough, joined the two parts. In doing so he ended up creating a rug with the nap going in opposite directions. This became a source for his being named haviters, hav (khav in old Turkish) meaning nap, and ters meaning contrary. Previously, the family name had been Manougian. (Compliments of great grandson Mircan Haviters of Farmingdale, NY, whose ancestors moved from Van to Sepastia 1030 years ago.)(CruiseVIII) Now, you might ask why people perpetuate strange, unusual or even uncomplimentary names. After all, its easy to just change them by adaptation. Ive known Armenians who have done so: Fourounjian to Baker; Baghchajian to Gardner; Kaprielian to Gabriel; and Terzian to Taylor. Well, people often are attached to their names because it gives them a sense of continuity and tradition. Theres also the desire to honor their martyrs by perpetuating the memory of their identity as Armenian Christians. We should be grateful to our fellow Armenians for having retained them as eloquent historical testimony to the oppression suffered by the Armenians at the hands of the Turks. Its fortunate for me that Armenians have hung on to their names; otherwise I wouldnt be here talking to you today. An Armenian appears in court in connection with an application he made for a legal name change. The presiding judge asks, "What is your current name?" The applicant replies, "Jack Beshigtashlian." The judge says, "I don't blame you for wishing to change your name. What name do you wish to change it to?" The applicant replies, "Joe Beshigtashlian." 10. I have not published anything on Armenian names, but my daughter, Lucine, has a few pages on names in her book. (Slide #8) Available in Hairenik Bookstore aboard vessel. See Lena Guebenlian. 11. Publicly thank the Committee, Bandazian, DerBedrosian, and all those who have been helpful in sharing their knowledge with me.
  13. Of course! We remember the times when in 1980 during the Soviet Afghan wars when Pres Carter advocated to boycott the Olympics in Moscow. And who won the propaganda war? With over 100,000 Americans killed in that %&*%& desert of Afghanistan since then? HintNot Russkys, but Yankees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Summer_Olympics_boycott
  14. Tigranakert Vernacular In another topic someone said that video about http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=58256&page=2&do=findComment&comment=315489 That it was either Sassoun or Tigranakert dialect. A repeat? See how many of the words are in furkish. Like aba ebe to mean midwife. And more. Who knows the Sassoun or Tigranakert vernacular? Please those who know the difference of what is Armenian and what not (furkish/ermenijeh) read the rest before you comment. http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Dikranagerdtsi_Vernacular_Handbook_In_English_Transliteration
  15. COLD WARS at Sochi And I mean COLD Putrid , OOPS! Anti-Putin Propaganda at its smelliest. And you think the Cold War was forever Frozen in the Permafrost of Siberia? For the past month or so, the latest GAME in the western media has been the HOT,OOPS! Cold War about the Winter Olympics in Sochi. Has anyone seen any news or articles about the Games? We dont see who is participating in what sport. Not the American Team, to not mention the Armenian Team. All we have heard is the impending terrorist attacks. A not so tacit warning to the world to not attend, and boycott the GAMES. Never before, during those times have I seen so much anti-propaganda. Not duringthe Squaw Valley, not Sarajevo ** or Lake Placid, and more. Please search and see where and when those happened. **I do remember when at that time the most memorable feature was about furkish kahveh. See Agatha Christi's Murder Most FOUL. In Aleppo, in the Football jargon foul was pronounced as PAVUL/favul, just as hands was handes. See the thread Shidak Hayeren Khosink. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15650&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=192968
  16. OK. Another attempt.Here is a revised version I am sure it can still be revised. Comments and corrections are welcome. Above someone said that it sounded like Sassoun or Tigranakert dialect. Are there any Sassountsis or Tigranakert- tsis here? -------------- Գնա արի, ման արի, ճին ելար, ճին ելար, Ճին ելարես թամամ ա , հէրըդ գիտի, տուն արի Գուրգեն ջան, Բաբկեն ջան հալըս յախսշի յաման ա..: Ինձի համար լուսնակ ես Մեր պիպէրը ձեր պիպէրը, ջիկէրը, ջիկէրը Մատանու անգին ակ ես Ինձի վառեց Հոռոմիսմը** Կայանէ , Շողակաթը Ճանը ճարը ջիկէրը: Այ տղայ ոլոր մոլոր, ճին ելար, ճին ելար ես, թամամ ա Քանիմըն կոսիմ բոլոր Գուրգեն ջան, Բաբկեն ջան հալըս յախշի յաման ա Կապել ես քիրման գօտին: Մի փախիր, սէրըս դու ես, ճին ելար Գուրգեն ջան. Ահ երբ արիր, երբ գտար: Գլխին լիհշ են , այվախ,, վախ Ես մոտ եմ, ք ո յարը. **I think Horomism is meant to be Hripsimeh.Or Roman Gayaneh
  17. The dictionary says "yaman=strong violent", like when they say the pepper is yaman. We have spoken about this in re Dle Yaman, when I interpreted it as Cruel Heart.
  18. Thank you Yervant. Youre right. I should have noticed that they are using the furkish C , i.e in Jin and Jiker Tho I still maintain that jin is used to mean anger. as in jin yelar=barkatsar, you became angry. I will try it again, stanza by stanza. and finally we will translate it to English. I am sure it needs further refinement and amendments. ---- Գնա արի, ման արի, ման արի, Ճին ելար, ճին ելար, Ճին ելեր ես թամամը, հէրըդ գիտի, տուն արի Գուրգեն ճան , Բաբկեն ճան , հալըս յախշի յաման** ա :: ** Հալ= վիճակ.. Yakhshi ***and Yaman are furk-asszeri to mean totally and miserable/cruel respectively and Tamam=total, complete.. My furkish dictionary says yahshi means pretty, which is a revision at best. I will abstain from going into their vocabulary. *** It s like when an asszeri says men yakhshi bilerum
  19. Thank you Yervant for your kind indulgence. And your apt amendments. Now, in that light we need to revise my entire. interpretation.
  20. Moorad Alexanian is a professor of Physics at NCU Oddly, as he is a devout Christian, and a Scientist he subscribes to Christian Science denomination..
  21. I took all the H s as KH, however in vulgar Armenian we hear said Jin@s mi haner. "Don't make me angry".
  22. I had thoughts that that O is meant to sound like A as Come. i.e "anamin"
  23. Yervant,You may be right anout chin, i.e jin = anger.
  24. intzi hamar lusnak yes merpipari tzerpipari cıhkerı, cıhkerı madanu ankin ag yes intzi varetz horomsimi, kayaneyi, şoğagati cami ceri cıhkeri, cıhkeri Ինձի համար լուսնակ ես Մեր պիպէրը ձեր պիպէրը, ջիկէրը, ջիկէրը Մատանու անգին ակ ես Ինձի վառեց Հոռոմիսմը** Կայանէ ը Շողակաթը Ծամը ձեռը ջիկէրը: ay dığa volor molor, çin elar çin elar, çin elarıs tamama, konimen kosim polor kurkencan, papkencan, halıs yahşi yaman a gabel yes kirman kodin Այ տղայ ոլոր մոլոր, ձին ելար, ձին ելար ես թամամ ա Քանիմըն կոսիմ բոլոր Գուրգեն ջան, Բաբկեն ջան հալըս յախշի յաման ա Կապել ես քիրման գօտին: Refrain. Մեր պիպէրը . mi pahir serıs tu yes, çin elar çin elar, çin elarıs tamama araçın serıs tu yes kurkencan, papkencan, halıs yahşi yaman a aherp arı yerp kıdar Մի փախիր, սէըս դու ես ձին ելար Գուրգեն ջան. Ահ երբ արի, երբ գտար: Refrain . kılhin lihşen ajva vah Գլխին լիխշեն այվախ, վախ Ես մոտ եմ, ք ո յարը. ^^I think Horomism is meant to be Hripsimeh
  25. Note that the writer is someone called Paylak. Yervant translated the furkish title correctly. ---- anonim bir ermeni halk şarkısı. sözleri: kına ari man ari, çin elar çin elar çin elarıs tamama, harıt kıdi dun are kurkencan, papkencan, halıs yahşı yaman a Գնա արի, ման արի, ձին ելար, ձին ելար Ձին ելար ես թամամ ա , հէըդ գիտի դուն արի Գուրգեն ջան, Բաբկեն ջան հալըս յախսշի յաման ա. TBC
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