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An interview with the old woman on the poster: http://www.armeniangenocideposters.org/images/posters/stillwaiting.jpg After the genocide / Trouw (Dutch newspaper) April 24 2002 As a two-year-old girl, bouncing in a mule's saddlebag, Hayganas Cordikoglu survived one of the massacres on Armenians in 1915. Today she is in Assen at the annual commemoration, her head full of stories about her family. Armenians -------------- Eildert Mulder "If I hadn't experienced it myself, I wouldn't believe it either," Hayganas Cordikoglu says. She is 89 and one of the very few who survived the Armenian atrocities of 1915 in Eastern Turkey and who are still alive. She was two at the time and was called Cordikyan, Cordikoglu is a later turkification by the authorities. Today she will attend the annual commemoration of the genocide in Assen, where Armenians unveiled a monument a year ago. Angering nationalist Turkish organizations, who want to move Assen City Hall to reject it. Because the massacre on Armenians is a taboo in Turkey. Newspapers talk about the "so-called genocide". Since that year of disaster 1915 Armenian and Turkish historians have been at each other's throats. They agree on one thing: the Armenians formed one of the four large communities that lived in Eastern Turkey before World War I: the Kurds, the Greeks, the Armenians and the Turks. Halfway the 20s the die was cast and the ethnic map looks the way it does today. The Christian Armenians and Greeks have disappeared. Armenian and Turkish historians argue about the big numbers, the bookkeeping of the dead, the political backgrounds, the accusation of Armenian betrayal during World War I. The Turks kept less accurate records of their crimes than the Nazis later. Therefore the memory of 1915 mainly lives on in family sagas. Whoever listens to Hayganas's story must be sturdy. Her granddaughter says: "The Turkish denials actually sound quite strong. Our stories sometimes seem unreal to us." A European dressed man with a fez on his head and a large moustache looks down on us from the mantelpiece. It's Hayganas's maternal grandfather. Next to him is his son. He studied in the city of Sivas in central Turkey in 1915. The last sign of life was a letter saying that they were planning on killing all of them and whether father could send some money, then perhaps he could still save himself. Grandpa himself was sent to prison because he was suspected of being a member of the militant Armenian 'committees'. Hayganas still gets frustrated 87 years after the deed over so much stupidity. "That man was too afraid for that, he didn't even dare kill a chicken", she says angrily. And that's a reoccurring pattern in this family saga, the scared grandpa and the dominant grandma, a daredevil, who always wants to persevere her will. Sometimes for the good but sometimes for the bad, because sometimes she was also wrong. This type of general human pattern supports the credibility of Hayganas's story. Not all Turks are villains for her, not all Armenians saints. Since she couldn't get an education in those restless years she remained illiterate. Her memories cannot have been influenced by what she read later. According to her granddaughter Hayganas's stories coincide well with those of her deceased husband, who was ten years older. After he became blind the memories began to flood his head like a movie. Hayganas's description of her village reminds one of the way Palestinians talk about their lost paradises in what is now Israel. The village, Zemara, is still there. Many descendants of Turks from Greece, who arrived there in the 20s, live there now, in exchange for the Asia Minor Greeks who migrated to Greece. When Hayganas was born into the world in 1913 there wasn't a road to the village yet. It was only accessible through mountain paths. Her father had a type of transportation company with eight mules. Next to land there were also all kinds of fruit trees. At the ancient fort on a hill, dedicated to Saint Sarkis, children dug in the ground for old, Armenian coins. You could light candles there and there was a little church. At school children learned French. The village was predominantly Armenian, but Turks also lived there. It was in the neighborhood of the city Erzincan. Hayganas's memories of the village date from a later age, after their return. By some whim of fate her and her family did not end up in the Syrian city Deir El-Zor at the Euphrates. Many Armenians died in Deir El-Zor, also on the way there. Hayganas's oldest memory is the death of her paternal grandma. She couldn't follow the pace of the marches. Together with other elderly the soldiers killed her. She quickly called out all the names of her grandchildren. Later Hayganas was in doubt, she asked others whether her memories made sense, they confirmed the story. Grandpa also left life here. The deportation progressed in phases. First the population was to hand in weapons. Then they picked up young men, not all, since some of them hid in the mountains. Phase three: those left, women, children and elderly, were to prepare for the march. Out of them as well an amount survived. In Kurdish villages they were given protection by families with whom they'd had a kivra relationship, a type of alliance. Many Kurdish children had Armenian godparents at their circumcision. Reciprocally many Armenian children had Kurdish godparents at their baptism. Thus were the local relationships, until the decision at a high level was made for genocide. Hayganas does bring a nuance into the charming image. She keeps repeating that the Armenians had excellent relations with the Alevis, liberal outsiders of the Islam. Most Alevis are Turks, but there are also Kurdish Alevis. With the latter Armenians had kivra-relationships. Concerning the majority of Kurds, orthodox Sunnite Muslims, Hayganas is negative. "They were against us, just like the Sunni Turks." The kivra-protection turned out weak. Kurdish families may have even defended the Armenians to death. Disappointing was the attitude of their fellow Turkish villagers. Hayganas is convinced that they were the ones who told the army in which Kurdish families they were hiding. The soldiers threatened to treat the families in the same way as the Armenians so that they resolved an awful dilemma for their Kurdish protecters by silently leaving in the middle of the night, back to Zemara. The procession went on the road under guidance of the military from the village. They had to take care of their own provisions. They tried to survive on a minimum amount of food. Hayganas sat with her little sister on the right side of the mule's saddlebag, three cousins were on the other side. When the procession reached the town where grandpa was imprisoned, a few miracles saved Hayganas's life. Grandma asked the prison successfully to free her husband. "We're all going to die anyway, let him go," she pleaded. And then the next miracle happened. A man on a horse loudly called out grandpa's name. Grandpa was hiding under a blanket, but grandma brought the horseman over to him. The man had brought along an escort who was a high Turkish relation of grandpa. Grandpa could take sixty people with him. A heartbreaking struggle burst over the question as to who should come and who shouldn't. But the fortunate did not reach their Turkish benefactor. When they reached a Turkish village, Denizli, the inhabitants stopped them. The village could use new blood. Young men picked out an Armenian bride and the other Armenians were set to work. Grandpa, a man of distinction, plodded as a miller for a notable villager in exchange for protection. And the latter was earnest. When the notable's sons cajoled the Armenians into giving money and jewellery by threatening with soldiers, grandma made her complaint loudly. After which the Turkish mother threatened to curse the milk with which she had fed her treacherous offspring. Then grandma made the wrong guess. She wanted to return to Aemara; according to messages it was safe there. Grandpa stayed in Denizli. Hayganas's mother was pregnant. The village received them with open arms. Hayganas's father was then hidden in the mountains. A cold foot is her last and only memory of him. They were lying on the ground sleeping when she felt it, the secret visit of her father at night. A short while later mother died and a Turkish acquaintance shot father in the mountains. And then all of a sudden there was a new order for deportation. Horrible scenes. Soldiers threw children who slowed down the marching pace in the Euphrates, but even parents did it. It must be the worst imaginable dilemma: or everyone dies, or sacrifice the weakest. Grandma decided to kill Hayganas's little sister, a year younger than her. The two sisters felt the threat and clung to each other. Grandma gave the sleeping girl to another woman at night, who threw her in the Euphrates. The three cousins had already been poisoned, by aunt. Grandma would later feel strongly remorseful, Hayganas would have intense talks with her. But grandma would persist that she had no choice. They joined grandpa in Denizli again. After four years the political climate had changed so that they could really return to Zemara. They even got their belongings back but lost them again to refugees from Greece. Grandma wrote a firm letter to Atatürk about it. For years already an Armenian was hidden in a cave. A Turkish farmer knew about it. Every morning he laid a piece of bread by the cave. Among the returning Armenians there was also the wife of the cave-inhabitant. The Turkish farmer took the completely bewildered man and brought him to his wife who would later bear him another daughter. It's the same woman who threw Hayganas's little sister in the Euphrates. Hayganas grew up, together with the daughter of a killed uncle and aunt, with grandpa and grandma. When she turned eighteen she moved to Istanbul, where grandpa already lived. She talked about the Armenian atrocities with Turkish acquaintances there. A woman had saved twelve Armenians. The family went to court to receive a piece of land. The judge however demanded proof that no more heirs were alive. There were birth certificates of the victims of the genocide but no death certificates. Bureaucratically they are still alive. "You know better that they were killed!", they shouted at the judge. With that brutality they lost the case, but it was relieving. In the seventies her son moved Hayganas, her husband and two children to Holland. Last year, her granddaughter traveled through Eastern Turkey with a group of Armenians. She was at sixty kilometers from Zemara, but tension had built around that trip and the guide strongly advised her not to visit the village. At the end of the conversation Hayganas also gives an account of the dead on the scale of her family. Her paternal grandparents and parents died. Of the seventeen cousins, four survived, one boy and three girls. In Istanbul that boy sailed on an English ship full of orphans. He wound up in the Republic Armenia. "I'm going to Assen for all those people", Hayganas says. PHOTO 1 by Jörgen Caris: Hayganas Cordikoglu PHOTO 2 by ABC: An episode from the Armenian genocide: the slaughter of 1904, this time by Tartars. [ April 29, 2002, 03:35 AM: Message edited by: Rouben Malayan ]

Movses jan shat merci, miguze karoxanas inz fotoner@ uxarkel voronz vra mer posterner@ erevum en? Copyright@ es vran kdnem, ete du jamanak chunes zbaxvelu.. uxaki shat hetakrkir e tesnel ev zuzadrel vor mardik tesnen.. lav araijm, Rouben

Reformatorisch Dagblad Thursday April 25 2002 AMSTERDAM - Armenians hung hundreds of posters yesterday in different places in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Los Angeles and Toronto that have to keep alive the memory of the genocide that the Turks committed in 1915 on the Christian Armenians. In that genocide, which is commemorated annually on April 24, an estimated 1.5 million people died. Here a Muslim walks passed a billboard on Waterlooplein (Amsterdam). The poster-action is an initiative by the Armenian artist Rouben Malayan. On one of the posters the face of a 90-year-old woman is portrayed: a survivor of the genocide, living in Breda. Many posters were already damaged or torn off by Turks yesterday afternoon. [PHOTO by R. Malayan: Billboards on Waterlooplein] http://www.armeniangenocideposters.org/images/ACTION.APRIL24.2002/waterlooplein-postersApril24.2002%20-man.jpg [ April 29, 2002, 03:41 AM: Message edited by: Rouben Malayan ]

Mos jan stex demonstration chkar, menk uzumeink gone mi ban anel, ev paterin kpznel@ miak zevner...iharke apsos vor turker@ avirezin vorosh posterner@, baiz shat mardik tesaz ev hetakkrkrvats ein...

Mos jan stex demonstration chkar, menk uzumeink gone mi ban anel, ev paterin kpznel@ miak zevner...iharke apsos vor turker@ avirezin vorosh posterner@, baiz shat mardik tesaz ev hetakkrkrvats ein...

Dutch Newspaper of today. More pictures on the website, plz visit. http://www.refdag.nl/website/artfoto.asp?f...jpg&fotoid=2573

For the photoes of our posters on the streets of Amsterdam please visit: http://www.armeniangenocideposters.org/htm...ml/April24.html WE DID IT!

http://www.armeniangenocideposters.org/images/participants/ottomanhistory.yervantherian-turkish.jpg This one we published in Amsterdam.

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We have recently completed our quest for designing and publishing art posters dedicated to the Armenian Genocide in year 2002. They are part of the project which aim is to educate the general public on the Armenian Genocide through art posters designed by politically consious artists from Netherlands, France, Armenia, Canada and United States. The publishing is made possible by Zakarian family from Los Angeles. Posters are also being published in Los Angeles, California and will be deseminated through the Armenian communities and Universities through the US, for more information in USA, please consult info@ArmeniaGuide.com Currently the project is being filmed as part of the future documentary on "Armenia- Virtual Homeland" by a Dutch filmmaker Maartje Nevejan. More information on http://ArmenianGenocidePosters.org/html/filming.html Find below direct links to the published posters: "Time is the Fire in which We Burn" by Rouben Malayan http://ArmenianGenocidePosters.org/images/...efire-final.jpg "Denial is Killing Them Twice" by Walter Jansen (Holland) and Rouben Malayan http://ArmenianGenocidePosters.org/images/...illingtwice.jpg "Hand in Desert" by Vanig Torikian (USA) http://ArmenianGenocidePosters.org/images/...ts/torikian.gif "Ottoman History" by Yervant Herian (France) http://ArmenianGenocidePosters.org/images/...rvantherian.jpg (in turkish) "Still Waiting for a Fair Trial" by Rouben Malayan http://ArmenianGenocidePosters.org/images/...tillwaiting.jpg To acquire posters in Europe contact info@ArmenianGenocidePosters.org More information will follow soon. Rouben Malayan Project Founder [ April 13, 2002, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: Rouben Malayan ]

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Note*. I have visited Sandrouni ceramics shop in Jerusalem many times- they are truly the face of the Armenian ceramics in the Old City. Its such a pity to see the Armenians flee Jerusalem. Can't help and remember the old Roman proverb: "Inter Arma Silent Musas." CTV Television, Inc. SHOW: CTV NEWS December 29, 2001 22:00:00 - 23:00:00 Eastern Time LISA LAFLAMME LISA LAFLAMME: Middle East violence has severely crippled tourism throughout the holy land this holiday season. Now it's threatening to rob Jerusalem of an artistic tradition. And as CTV's Rodney Palmer reports, Israel's loss could be Canada's gain. RODNEY PALMER [Reporter]: The old walled city of Jerusalem is know for many things, among them its ceramic art. But the designs hanging in these ancient alleyways are neither Palestinian nor Israeli. They're from a little known group of artists called the Armenians. There are only five hundred Armenians in Jerusalem, but they occupy a quarter of the old city, and have done so for centuries. But now the most influential artists among them are starting to leave Jerusalem, for good. The Sandrouni brothers studio has dominated the old city art scene for almost two decades. Their attention to detail has made the three Sandrouni brother's famous. They created a revival of a lost art. UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We work according to what Armenians did a hundred years ago. PALMER: But since the intifada began fifteen months ago, some Armenians feel they no longer belong here. GARO SANDROUNI [Artist]: My father is living 75 years exactly the same way. Every day fighting. Every day killing, this is what you hear around here. I grew up the same way. I don't want my children to continue the same way I did. PALMER: One brother has already left, taking his art to the United States. The other has set up a growing ceramic business in Toronto. Garo Sandrouni is the only one of the trio left in Jerusalem. His passion for the detail in his art keeps him going. SANDROUNI: I like to do such works when I have free time, and now I have a lot. PALMER: Stocks are no longer moving, because business in Jerusalem has dropped dramatically. Despite speaking six languages to service customers from around the world, Garo can't fight the fact that masses of tourists have stopped visiting Israel. Now Garo thinks he will follow his younger brother. SANDROUNI: The same way we brought this art to Jerusalem we will take it with us to Canada. Maybe after twenty years you will see a lot of Canadians doing the same art over there also. PALMER: Jerusalem's loss could be Canada's gain. And by the way business is drifting out the door, it won't be long before Garo Sandrouni closes shop for good on the old city's most famous ceramic studio. Rodney Palmer, CTV News, Jerusalem. [ January 07, 2002: Message edited by: Rouben Malayan ]

Note*. Volksrant featured today another article on this infamous meeting with a large picture of the opening. If you can get hold of it- do so-looks like one of fascist gatherings of 1937, only the picture of Hitler is missing next to the "glourious" Ataturk. Protest in Den Bosch against Grey Wolves ANP (Dutch news agency) January 5 2002 DEN BOSCH (ANP) - Over two-hundred members of different Turkish, Kurdish and Dutch organizations protested in Den Bosch on Saturday against the meeting of the Turkish Federation Netherlands (TFN) in the Brabanthalle. The organization previously said they expected at least four-hundred protestors. That the presence was significantly lower was blamed on the late permission by the city hall for the protest. The city hall gave this on Thursday as long as the protestors didn't walk to the Brabanthalle. According to the police the march was peaceful. The protestors united in the January 5 Committee. Earlier they had sent a collective appeal to Den Bosch's municipality to have the meeting banned. The municipality and the management of the Brabanthalle allowed the annual congress to take place anyway. Grey Wolves The most important speaker at the TNF-congress was the Turkish vice-prime minister Davlet Bahceli, leader of the extreme-right Nationalist Action-party MHP, also know as the Grey Wolves. According to the committee the arrival of Bahceli has the character of a state visit. The MHP has been in the Turkish government since April 1999 and is against integration of the Kurdish part of the population. According to Turkish law political parties are prohibited to have branches abroad. This prohibition is bypassed by not labelling this branch as a political but as a cultural organization. According to TFN the meeting in Den Bosch is therefore a politically neutral, cultural manifestation. The protestors however claim that TFN is a cover organization for the MHP. The arrival of Bahceli seems to confirm this. Next to the vice-prime minister, prominent party-members like MHP-parliamentarian E. жz and the Turkish MHP-Minister of Industry A. Tanrikulu were also invited to Den Bosch. The National Security Service (BVD) noted earlier this year that the TNF is used by the Turkish government as an organization to attract the Turkish community in the Netherlands. The intelligence service warned that countries like Turkey try to gain control over foreign communities through mosques and political organizations. From those political contradictions are stimulated, says the BVD.

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4 new posters, 1 revised. Hebrew/Turkish/French editions on the way. Take a look: http://www.armeniangenocideposters.org/vot...ing/posters.asp

I need urgently to get in touch with the band, can someone help me find their contact numbers or a phone? Please help. Thank u much, Rouben

Photo exhibition of Armenian monuments on the territory of neighbor states opened in Armenian parliament Caspian News Agency Mon 22 Oct 2001 Yerevan, October 22, 2001. (CNA). Photo exhibition of Armenian monuments on the territory of neighbor states - Turkey, Azebaijan, Georgia and Iran, in particular, opened in Armenian parliament within the frames of session of PACE committee for culture, science and youth. 200 Armenian churches and monasteries on the territory of Turkey were burned and some 2150 ruined in the beginning of XX century, press release of the exhibition reads. According to UNESCO information for 1974, 464 of 913 Armenian buildings were wipe off the earth, 252 - ruined, 197 needs general repair. As for Azerbaijan, 21 Armenian buildings, among which churches, monasteries, chapels, Armenian cemeteries were destroyed and burned since 1998. In Nakhichevan destruction of 800 khachkars (stone crosses) and 250 monasteries was prevented. In Georgia 80 Armenian culture monuments were crushed as well. The only exception is Iran. The authorities of Iran undertake urgent steps for rescuing the Armenian churches and monastic complexes. So, in 2000 under the initiative of Iranian government the works for St. Tadevos the Apostle monastic complex's restoration started. Moreover, the Iranian government suggested UNESCO to include this cloister to the list of memorials under the aegis of UNESCO. Meanwhile, the Armenian Public TV reports that the Azeri representative, who was present at the session in Yerevan, blamed Armenia of unilateral revealing the problem. He said that the similar problem stands before Azerbaijan, which memorials of cultural heritage are being destroyed in Nagorny Artsax, and promised the participants of the session to represent the appropriate photo documents. EEOK

Dear Ali, Thank you for the posting. I only would like to note that the work of virtually all turkish organizations in Europe consists of denial and cover-up and in the most fierce manner. Armenians, the victims of the genocide in 1915 and their descendants, fall victim to propoganda and agitation, blackmail and sabotage in present day throughout the world. Netherlands is a good example, the Katch'kar errected in Assen and mass hysteria on side of turkish organizations in Holland proves that Ankara is keeping very tight grip even on those turks who live in a free society outside Turkey. Soon there will be another court ruling regarding Assen, more publicity we get out of it, better will it serve our cause which is just. I thank you for taking rational approach on this subject, you are very rare and perhaps the only person of turkish origin to which opinion people (at least myself) listen to. Best regards, Rouben

Your turkish "archeologists" cause now more damage to Ani than forces of nature all together. Bulldozing and replacing original stones with new cut briks isn't called restoration. And show me the "evidence" that Armenians are harming their own legacy. They have no reason for doing so, while turks have plenty of reasons to level to ground Ani and the remaining Christian monuments in Turkey. BTW, the quotes on the poster are from the report by UNESCO and recent photo exibition in Armenian Parliament shows the state of Armenian Churches on the territory of Turkey, Iran and Azerbaijan. Bark, bark, no use, facts remain facts.

quote Yes, I forgot, your orders come from Ankara. And insulting me won't change the reality. Barbarians you are and barbarians you will remain. quote:Either admit your folly like a man or get lost yourself and I will post what you said all around where it is relevant to show people what you said in the face of evidence. Evidence? What evidence? Manufactured in Ankara? Sorry, we have seen enough of that. The evidence is clearly displayed on the posted poster. Any you may go and bark wherever you want, fortunately very few people listen or pay attention to you. QUOTE] At best, your Republic of Armenia has been stupid enough to give the same Turks that have destroyed all those monuments the excuse to get away with yet another. I rest my case. Moderator: FYI, txerk jan, migutse verj@ dnek ais anbaroyakanutian@? Anchap shnorhakal klinem.

http://15levels.com/1915/images/posters/PR-23.gif The responsibility for the condition of this priceless historical monument lies entirely on Turkish government. Now get lost with your propoganda bully, would ya.

What is your point Steve? You are sabotaging our work everywhere you can. What is it you want?

PRESS RELEASE International Art Poster Campaign for the recognition of Armenian Genocide April 24, 1915-2002 November 6, Amsterdam, Netherlands Contact: Rouben Malayan Web: http://15levels.com/1915/ E-mail: 1915@15levels.com An open international competition has been launched, in the form of a ‘call to artists’ around the world - Armenian and non-Armenian - to contribute a work that they think best depicts an image of the history of the Armenian Genocide. This depiction can take any form – photographs, drawn or painted (realist or abstract) pieces, digital designs – any artistic expression that can be presented in poster form for widespread dissemination. When chosen, the selected posters will be reproduced and distributed internationally as representation of the political initiative of Armenians who believe that the truths of their history must be acknowledged in world public opinion. The objectives of this campaign include the simultaneous launch of posters across Europe and the United States on April 24, 2002. They will be printed in eight languages, including English, Spanish, Dutch, German, Turkish, Hebrew, Arabic, and Armenian. They will be targeted in particular to high-density-area urban audiences whose opinions are likely to have an impact on policy-makers in their respective cities/countries. The selection process for this art competition will take place through an online votation process which will be open to all those who are involved with and support this cause. Further development for this project exists in the potential publishing of a book or the organization of a touring art exhibit – such that message of this initiative is maintained in the public eye for as long as possible. This is an appeal to all individuals, organizations and foundations with interest in supporting the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide of 1915, and the cultivation and encouragement of Armenian art, history and education around the world. Time is of the essence for this project, and the identification of sources of funding is the urgent ‘next step’. Contributions and donations from organizations or individuals are crucial for the realization of this unprecedented project. Please contribute. For further information visit http://www.15Levels.com/1915/