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Armen, Now I see what you meant. No, not LA. More probably Addis Abbaba. There are five Oriental Orthodox Churches with similar beliefs, Malabar (India), Ethiopian, Coptic, Syrian and Armenian. Do you think that there has been cross-fertilization? It is also said that the original settlers of lower Mesopotamia were blacks.

In LA you can have any look for a price. I know of men who married absolutely beautiful women, only to have god-awful ugly children. When the "before" photos of the beautiful wife were found, the kid looked just like the "before" wife. There are some excellent plastic surgeons in LA, including a few Armenians in the top ranks.

If the Turkish threat is ever lifted the old rivalry between Kurd and Armenian will surface again. I believe that the borders of what is envisioned as Greater Kurdistan includes not only most of historic Armenia but part of the ROA as well.

She is not by far the most attractive Armenian woman. $$ and power talks. Also politics. Shermine is attractive, but I suspect the fact that she is of Persian extraction tipped the scales in her favor. Europe wants to show the Mullahs in Iran that covering their women with chadors is something the Europeans do not condone.

When I lived in LA, the view of the LA basin from Mulholland Drive

Nope. Never have paid a dime up front. Owning a sports car, living in a place with a view and wine-ing and dining doesn't hurt however.

Azat, Are you serious? Never have I had a woman say any of these things when we were naked. I have heard things like. 1. You are so much older than me, but you butt is less saggy than mine. 2. Let's not get out of bed today. 3. You have a beautiful woman here, and you want to go out on the town? (this after a few hours in bed) 4. You are so hairless for an Armenian. Are you sure that you are Armenian? 5. What you lack in size, you sure do make up for it in technique. 6. Let's do it again. 7. It looks so much better that way, the American way.

Post her picture, please

Please let us maintain a level of civility here. The issue goes well beyond the Genocide. It is an issue of Turkey's continuing approach to it's citizens, all of them, be they Christian, Moslem or Jew, Armenian, Assyrian, Kurd or even Turk. Turkey seems not to be ready to join Europe. She is creating her own destiny.

Opening a dialogue with Regmura or any individual Turk really does not accomplish much. The Turkish government is digging in it's heels and playing hardball. They want the issue to go away. Their archives have long been "cleansed" of any communiques related to the systematic annihilation of the Armenians and other Christians. All birth records, marital records, death records of Armenians before 1915 have been destroyed. As far as the Turkish government is concerned, these records of Armenians do not exist. How can any western nation trust the archives of a nation that has destroyed the records of the existence of people that they have annihilated. I think that Turkey is positioning themselves to be left out of the EU.

There is a middle ground, and it should be discovered. It should be discovered at a negotiating table. Dr. Reshid called the Armenians he had killed, including my grandfather, "vermin" to be eradicated like microbes. Those who respond as Siamanto did are not doing anyone any good by considering all Turks in the same manner. Our issues are not with individual Turks, per se, but with the policies of the Turkish government and it's approach to minorities, both Christian and Moslem.

Regmura, Share with us your perspectives of that which is underlying the denial? You do realize that unless Turkey comes to terms with this issue, that her relationship with Europe will never be normalized.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=7819 It has come to this stage. The Turks obviously actually believe the story that has been told for the last 80 or so years. They will jump in, only to find themselves in quicksand. Why would my father leave behind an estate worth billions of dollars to take a job as a "hammal" in Paris? Why would my father turn down a very lucrative professional position in Turkey offered by his firm years later? World War I ended by 1920. Nothing had changed in Turkey by 1960 and little has changed from that year to the present. They don't even allow the Armenain churches to repair their roofs.

Arvestaked, Your comment about 6 million.

Hey Arvestaked, The Jewish mouthpiece Washington Post lists the events of 1915-23 as Genocide, and then you make your inane remark. Are you a friend of the Armenians or are you an enemy?

The Turks have shot themselves in the foot on this one. They are showing their colors at a time that they are under the microscope. This seemingly minor move will cause them major problems in their realtions with the western world. Ray Damadian crossed the scientific dogma and paid dearly. So will the Turkish government.

I think that the "dike" is going to burst. I world have never thought that the Washington Post would ever come around. This is major movement in our favor. A paradigm shift is in the making. Who cares what they called the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire. My relatives were nothing more than Christian Turks having taken Turkish first names before their Armenian middle names. They were slaughtered anyway.

Verginne, Thank you for showing your solidarity with me concerning not purchasing Turkish goods. I must diagree with you, however, concerning the Turkish state. It is here to stay. It has 70 million population and is a major player in the region. We can not ignore it, but use our national influence as a lever, to bring it into a more democratic and "western" or "European" approach. If their misdeeds against Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc. had not occurred, they would be a multi-ethnic society today that would have been welcomed into the EU with open arms. They would probably be much stronger economically. Did you know that Albania and Bosnia are Muslim majority countries in Europe? I don't think the EU would give these nations the hard time that they are giving the Turks.

What do you think scientists around the world think of this? Do you think that the Turks are now the laughing-stock in these circles?

Now even Taner Akcam is correctly labelling the official Turkish government rebuttals as "fatwas." Ask any elderly Turk in the hinterland and they will fess up to what happened to the Armenians. I wonder what they did to that elderly Turkish farmer who matter-of-factly told this to the writer of the recent National Geographic article. We know that they are planning to "fry" Orhan Parmuk. There was an article in Radikal today stating that a Turkish MP wants it all to come out, that it is getting tiring for Turkey. Why don't they put their legitimate claims against the Balkan countries on the table, instead of trying to cover up what former Turkish regimes did?

The ball is in Turkey's court. If they want, they coud make peace with all their neighbors. I don't think may nations would support going back to the Treaty of Servres, but if Turkey became an open multi-ethnic society, she would have an easier time getting along with Europe. There is a middle road of compromise. It is up to the Turks to make the first moves to make peace with all it's neighbors, so that the region becomes more successful.

Armjan, This thread was started by Siamanto, not Stormig. In any case Stormig "likes to make trouble."

Turkish goods are available throughout Armenia also. I never buy Turkish goods. I would never set foot into one inch of Turkey until they come clean. I sat on Rhodes and spit in the direction of Turkey. I recently bought a shirt at the Gap. After I had worn it a few times, I realized that it was made in Turkey. I returned it to the store, but when I told the manager why I was returning it he laughed in my face. Those of you who claim to be devout Armenians and yet support the Turkish economy are "Pilaf Armenians."

Have patience. The tide is turning. Everything changed when the Soviet Union collapsed. The Turks haven't yet realized that their influence is ebbing. Did you ever wonder why the US is building the largest US embassy in the world in Yerevan? It is a whole new equation. It is a whole new ballgame.

The ad is designed to get people's attention, and obviously it has. Yet, no hedonist could do more damage to Jesus' image lately than the Church itself. How many children have been sexually abused? Tens of thousands!!!!! And the hierarchy of the Church looked the other way, condoned it. Most of those abused are still keeping quiet, feeling shame for what they had little control over.