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Sasun, Get your nose out of where it does not belong. Criminals hurt other members of society. Those with an alternative sexuality may hurt themselves but do not hurt any other members of the society. OK, the only time you have sex with your wife or girlfriend is when you want to produce a child? So you NEVER have sex purely for its own sake? Then either you do not have sex or you have a few dozen children.

Two of my grandmother's brothers were obstensibly celibate Armenian Catholic priests. Nothing unusual in that you would think. Let's go down two or three generations. None of the children of this grandmother's male offspring have any homosexual tendencies, but a number of the children and grandchildren of her female offspring do. Something biological going on here, don't you think?

There is little in this that has to do with thinking. It is instinct that is involved here, not thinking. Either this phenomenon is a natural occurence in humans or from your perspective, God makes mistakes.

Sasun, Why do you assume that I consider it something wrong? I am just choosing not to participate for reasons of safety. Not good enough, you say? What you want is my blood. You have no understanding of this issue. You are just mouthing the platitudes that you have been taught. My gut instincts are that you are a member of a religious order or a lay person who is closely tied to the church bureaucracy. Only a person with that type of affiliation would respond as you have responded.

I KNOW that I am a powerful being, since I have not acted upon those desires. Yet I am sure that I am what I am. I have no doubt about that. The disservice is due to society's unreasonable values, primarily foisted upon us all by the religious communities.

Gay or bisexual is a state of being. One who has the desire to steal, but does not do so is not considered a criminal. One who has a desire to lie, but does not do so, is not considered a liar. Yet one who has attraction to the same sex is considered a homosexual or bisexual , whatever the case may be, even if they do not act upon that desire. Therefore this trait is the same as any immutable part of a human being, be it ethnicity, height, or coloring. YOU HAVE BLINDERS ON SASUN, YOU ARE BEING BLINDED BY YOUR PREJUDICES.

The Turkish state's striving to enter the EU is a sick joke. They are prosecuting their most illustrious national author. This is a "European" nation? PAMUK WINS FRENCH LITERARY PRIZE NTV MSNBC, Turkey Nov 7 2005 Controversial Turkish author Orhan Pamuk has added another award to his growing collection, having won this year's Medicis Prize for foreign literature. PARIS - The writer of such novels as "Istanbul", the "White Castle" and "Snow" was on the short list for this year's Nobel Prize for Literature. The award, announced on Monday, was presented for his novel "Snow" which tells of a Turkish writer who returns to Turkey after 12 years of political exile. Pamuk is currently facing charges of insulting Turkish identity for comments he made in an interview with a Swiss magazine in which he said the Ottoman state killed up to one million of its Armenian citizens during and after the First World War. If found guilty, Pamuk, who this year was considered as a candidate for the Nobel Prize for Literature, could be gaoled for up to three years.

Do you really think that the US will sit on the sidelines the day that Iran attacks the State of Israel? What Ahmadinejad has done is a provocation for the US to remove the present regime in Iran.

These people are building bridges. Why doesn't the Turkish leadership come to terms with this whole affair like Germany did and put it behind them?

Anahid, So you believe that the Devil placed homosexuals and bisexuals on this earth? What about those who do not practice their homosexuality? Do you consider them also to be the work of the devil?

Sasun, Have you ever wondered why homosexuality exists at all. Why would God condemn certain persons to such an existence? What is God's purpose in placing homosexuals and bisexuals on this earth? By the way, do you also condemn the heterosexual couples who choose not to bear children. I know of numerous professional women who have chosen not to bear children. This was one of my major arguments with my ex-wife. I wanted children very much and she did not. She aborted two from me and two from her first odar husband, without our consent.

Oh, Please. God's laws? Where does it say that Jesus condemned this? Are you speaking of Leviticus? I suggest that you read through the old Testament. Do you realize that you are going against the prohibitions there every day in your life? Some of the prohibitions are absolutely comical.

This is just the motivation the US needs to make a "clean sweep." We have entered Afganistan and Iraq and removed the regimes there. Iran is the missing link. I am sure that the actions of the new adminstration in Tehran is an ominous sign. The involvement of the brother of Syria's head man in the assassination of Rafik Hariri is a provocation which will induce the US to enter Syria. We (Armenia) are in a very difficult location. Unfortunately the Turks are such bastards that they even get involved in private negotiations between insurance companies and the heirs of the dead. How can one have normal relations with a nation that acts in this manner? Thank God we have a strong ally in the Russian Republic to protect us against the coming turmoil.

Even though Armenians should be more tolerant due to our long history of harassment doesn't mean that a history of harassment makes a group more tolerant in this regard. American Blacks and Hispanics have a long history of being discriminated against yet polls show that over 80% of Blacks and about 70% of Hispanics do not believe that homosexuals and bisexuals should have any civil rights, even non-practicing homosexuals and bisexuals.

I will try it on my one free day.

Thank you

It is hit and miss. My family also did not live in within the borders of Wilsonian Armenia, yet names are listed for the next city also outside the borders. If someone knows how to do this please explain it to us.

It is unclear how to list your massacred ancestors at that website. I want to list my martyred ancestors, but don't know how.

Here is the link: http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12203

Vanity Fair Article: A Real Eye Opener 12 THE TURKS BRIBED HASTERT IN 2000 Genocide phantom22 21 632 15th August 2005 - 12:46 AM Last post by: gamavor I found it. See above. It is under Genocide under the topic name that is capitalized. The last post in thread was by Gamavor on August 15, 2005 at 12:46 AM.

What about the Ottoman Imperial Bank where our family had their accounts? They ended up living DESTITUTE in Germany and France while their bank accounts were frozen.

It is here somewhere. I will try to locate it.

An insurance company writes policies and then does not pay. This is a business arrangement between a private concern and policyholders. What the H--L business does the Turkish Armed Forces Pension Fund (OYAK) have to get involved with such a decision? Why are they sticking their nose into an issue that does not concern them? What does it matter whether the deaths of these civilians was an orchestrated Genocide (this is well documented) or the result of disease caused by the neglect by Ottoman authorities deporting Armenians? The result vis-a-vis the policies is the same. When a civiian policyholder dies, the company pays.

I was the one who first broke that story in this forum. Just wait, I made predictions here a few years ago that are about to come to pass. I claimed that Agnew and Cheney would have the same fate. Let's see if my sixth-sense was fooling me or not.