Teutonic Knight

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lol How is turdey going to do that?

That's a very unlikely outcome. The likely outcome is that in the event of any azeribaboon aggression Baku will be occupied and renamed. Those oil fields under Armenian control wont be bad.

I heard about those baseless accusations.

Abyssinia

It's a community alright. Just not scientific.

No wonder they snatched the award from him, I wonder who's behind that decision Are there any Armenian Nobel prize winners?

Armenians were Christians long before the official date. The only and official date of the full conversion of the entire nation is 301 AD.

You're confused! Read the thread again I agree with you. I want to see if you guys are able to argue against Jewish/Turkish revisionism. The "arguments" and the "logic", or lack thereof I used here are identical to that coming from Jews such as Diakonov, James Russel, Heeb U...Turkish MFA, UofAnkara etc. for the rest you are a Mountain Turk,Mongol-Semite mongrel or some fictional character called Armenoid. That's why these discussions are important and more Armenians need to dwell into this topic. And regarding those so called "Near Estearn Armenians", I guess the Armenians you know are not the ones I know

That's too bad. Turks and Jews have the time...but you were on the right path. I just disagree with "Near Eastern", what's "Near Eastern" ?. There was never such a group nor there is one now. I say virtually all Armenians are European with a tiny insignificant minority that are mixed with Caucasian (mountains) peoples and Semites/Turkics.

Time is not the factor here. The Russians regard the local Slavic tribes as their ethnogenesis, not the state created by their Viking overlords. The point was to show that names can be an inconsistent source in defining an ethnogenesis. Bulgarians don't consider themselves Turks but rather are more apt to identify themselves as Slavs, yet their name comes from a Turkish people. Their state may have been created by Turkic overlords, but their population originated amongst local Slavic tribes. That is poor logic. Syria was in an IE-speaking empire, yet the language of Syria was Semitic and to a lesser degree Hurrian. The only credible assumption can be if after the conquest of Azzi-Hayasa, the Hittites and Luwians imposed their language on it. Even if we find that Azzi-Hayasa became Hittite-speaking, it only proves that an invasive IE language was present in the region, and one which has no direct relationship with Armenian. The 'rest of the Empire' also spoke Hurrian and west Semitic. But the 'dawn of history' is what we are talking about!!! Citing the example of 'non-Armenian speaking Armenians' is irrelevent. Citing the example of Urarteans not calling themselves Armenians, is!!! But in order for you to 'correspond' Haykaz to Hayasa-Azzi, you needed both terms, which were used to the almost exclusion of either term. It was either Hayasa or Azzi. Are you now saying that all you need is Hayasa to correspond to Haykaz? If this is so, then I don't see the consistency. There was no assimilation of the Urarteans into the Hay people until the 1st century BC. These are the indicators as to a 'Thraco-Phrygian' origin of Armenian. 1. Borrowings from Luwian. The area of Luwian speech was western Anatolia, west and southwest of the Hittites. Armenians must have been present in western Anatolia in order to have picked up some Luwian. The region of Phrygia was a region of Luwian speech prior to the appearance of the Phrygians. 2. Its relationship with Greek. There is nothing to show migration of Greeks from areas adjacent to Armenia, going west to Greece. The archaeology shows the opposite: Culture was moving east toward Armenia. Luwian and Hittite were between Greek and Armenian, so therefore your theory would really exclude an association, anyway. The only logical, archaeological, and narrative consistency is to postulate an association of proto-Greek, Armenian, and Iranian-speaking populations in the northeast Balkans, where archaeology verifies drift of culture from the Balkans into western Anatolia. Proto-Greek moves southwest toward Greece, Proto-Indo-Iranian moves east on the Pontic Caspian steppe. Proto-Armenian, in between remains until the 'Thraco-Phrygian' migrations, c. 1200 BC. I think you didn't get my 'meaning', and you are simply being theatrical in your response. You are confusing 'nation' with 'nation-state', and there's nothing in my 'meaning' suggesting such spontaneous recreation of nations every 'morning'. There was already an Armenianized 'Hay' nation much longer in time before the Urarteans were assimilated by the mid-1st century BC. The 'Hay' don't need the Urarteans in order to be called Armenians. The Armenians were already there. This is in agreement with my information. Hayasa was not Armenian, but when they did arrive, they took over the name "Hye". Good. Yes, by the mid-1st century BC. So, until that time, we can speak of 'Hyes' (Armenians) and Urarteans as separate peoples, until that assimilation. You certainly made it a point to make Hayasa, IE speaking. In either case, the evidence does not support a very early 'Armenian' nation. Armenianization came later. And yet you were insisting on the IE nature of Hayasa, so therefore until now, it was relevant. I have already dealt with how they are the “only candidate”. Ignore it if you must, but the evidence does point to western origin where they were at one time had a common origin with the Greeks. but with corroborating evidence, which is totally lacking for your theory, except a ‘name’. Yours is more a ‘myth’ compared to my ‘story’. I do not deny a certain ‘assimilation’, but one of the major things the Hays adopted was proto-Armenian or Armenian. You read far too much into the ‘myth’. I could easily read this as “the Haik became the Armens”. In either case, the ‘myth’ is far too vague as to how we should interpret it. Sorry, but my ‘story’ still has weight. It’s a wonder that I even dignify your statement with a response. I’ve already mentioned that the archaeological evidence shows migration from west to east, not the other way around. Ancient history shows the majority of migrations from west to east, not the other way around. For starters, we aren’t talking about Greek mythology. True, their mythology involving non-Greek peoples shouldn’t be given credibility, but when, for instance Herodotus refers to a western origin of the Armenians, he wasn’t referring back to a Greek myth. Even then, his statement shouldn’t be taken by itself, but only to add flesh to facts already discerned in the archaeological, historical, and linguistic literature in which there is in fact the corroborative evidence which has been stated (but, alas, ignored). Biaina or Biainili is the origin of the name of Lake “Van”. It is a single word which designated Urartu in native Urartian sources. No credible scholarship associates it with “Hai”. We are not talking about “an isolated village”. We are talking about the whole of southern Armenia. I’ve presented evidence unacceptable to you. Compared to my “story” all you’ve presented is a myth of dubious value with an interpretation of dubious value all revolving around a name. No facts. Again you are being theatrical in your response. You just created a straw-man argument, which has nothing to do with my ideas. Exaggerating my theories is not going to help you.

Well i'm not Armenian at all. Dumb*** it was directed to the thread started. Edit Note: Please watch your language

"Armenian songs" ? What kind of songs? Anything from Dashnak anthems to SOAD and Nune Yesayan lyrics are available. Google braught back 11,700 results. http://www.mousaler.com/songbook/

I don' know about Chirstian "Arabs", more like Assyrians/Chaldeans/Coptics/Nestorians etc.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/J/Janissar.asp The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001. Janissaries (jn´sâr´´z) (KEY) [Turk.,=recruits], elite corps in the service of the Ottoman Empire (Turkey). It was composed of war captives and Christian youths pressed into service; all the recruits were converted to Islam and trained under the strictest discipline. It was originally organized by Sultan Murad I. The Janissaries gained great power in the Ottoman Empire and made and unmade sultans. By 1600, Muslims had begun to enter the corps, largely through bribery, and in the 17th cent. membership in the corps became largely hereditary, while the drafting of Christians gradually ceased. In 1826, Sultan Mahmud II rid himself of the unruly (and by now inefficient) Janissaries by having them massacred in their barracks by his loyal Spahis.

So I was searching for images on Google and I accidentally found this: "Joe the Turk" is a legend from The Salvation Army's colorful past. He was an Armenian, born Nishan Der Garabedian, in 1860 in Tallas, Turkey, the son of a priest of the American Episcopal Church, the National church of the Armenian people. http://www.salvationarmysouth.org/turk.htm Never knew about this interesting individual, it's quite ironic yet genious that he used the "turk" as his gimmick.

Armenians can claim to be Byzantines just as much Greeks can.

Any Christian captive converted to Islam that served the Ottomans=janissary. Anything from Armenians to Austrians. They would also take thousands of children from occupied countries and raise as their own, 20,000 Romanians for example.

Armenian is closer to western European languages than Iranian or Greek lingustically in its pure from. All those monkeystan languages are of the Eastern branch, since the discovery of the connection with Hittite and Phrygian languages it became clear that Armenian is in the Western Branch, the confusion was evident because Armenians didn't bother to remove the Persian corruption embedded in Armenian after years of opression and occupation under Persians. Thank God not much of it is left these days but that's doesn't change the fact that the name of Armenia ignorantly used by Armenians is a FOREIGN designation.

lol You nuts? Janissaries were Western European children.

Haha, that's cruel yet so hilarious. To be honest something like 70% of Anatolian Turks are Caucasoid and not Asiatic/Semitic since they're descendants of Greeks, Slavs, Armenians and Janissaries.

Umm whatever. Why not start speaking Punjabi or Gujerati...they're also Indo-European. Hell why not just adopt Islam and merge with Iran or Afghanistan You know Afghanis also speak an Indo-European langauge.

This web site is very encouraging. Armenia and the rest of Europe/Russia must walk the same path. I'm undecided regarding the border with so called "Turkey" but I see no problem why we shouldn't have a "transit" border without any conditions. Anything more, like allowing entry of cheap "Turkish" goods or giving visas to "Turkish" citizens should be unacceptable.

Well you're smart. Turks called occupied Hungary Madjaristan as "Land of the Magyars". Armenia is HAYQ!!!! Haiqi Hanrapetutyun

Kartsem te ayo. Es ayt ban@ aretsi vor shut veradarnam tun. However, in your sentence vor is just a truncated vorovhetev.