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What do you mean you have been trying to get your hands on the book offline? My copy was purchased in a major chainstore, Barnes and Nobles. Amazon also has the book. It is not hard to find.

About Cumhuriyet "That newspaper was founded in December of 1918 by the CUP (Committee for Union and Progress or Young Turks) propagandist Yunus Nadi with funds obtained by plundering Armenian corpses. Since that time, it has adopted every conceivable political posture ranging from the extreme left to the extreme right of the Hitlerite variety. For instance, during the days of Hitler's ascendancy, the present owner of Cumhuriyet, Nadir Nadi "distinguished" himself and his newspaper by his pro-Hitler editorials. There has been one and only one consistent element in the political line of Cumhuriyet: it is racism. Depending on circumstances, this racism manifests itself as Arabophobia, Armenophobia, Greekophobia, Russiophobia, and finally Christianophobia. There are historical and Freudian reasons Christianophobia which reveals itself in Ufuk Guldemir's article [January 6, 1989 appearing Cumhuriyet], when he writes about WASPS and the Christmas trips of Mr. Bush, Jr. The place of Armenophobia in this newspaper's mental make-up is very peculiar. It consists of a pathological urge to deny the original sin of the founder of the newspaper and of his mentors. A complete analysis would require a trained psychiatrist and will not be attempted. I will only point out the roots of this denial urge. This newspaper was founded as, and still is, the organ of the leftovers of the CUP. Its cadres are the literal heirs of the organizers of of the Armenian Genocide. As such they have a deep-seated emotional vested interest in denying and falsifying history. A few examples of the unbroken continuity between the perpetrators and the falsifiers should suffice. As alluded to previously, the present owner of Cumhuriyet, Nadir Nadi is the son of Yunus Nadi who was a well known CUP propagandist. The decision-making levels of the same newspaper are staffed with the descendants of CUP leaders and cadres. For example, Hasan Cemal who was the editor-in-chief of Cumhuriyet during the late seventies and early eighties, is the grand-son of "vice-roy of Mesopotamia", the CUP triumvir Cemal [Cemal *****]. Another interesting example is Mahmut Tali Ongoren who was a Cumhuriyet columnist during the sixties and the seventies. He was the son of Ibrahim Tali Ongoren who was identified by [Prof.] Vahakn Dadrian [1] as one of those "physicians" who contributed to the "medical" dimensions of the Genocide. More dramatic examples can be given. Finally, the editorial offices of Cumhuriyet are located within the compound that contains the headquarters building of the CUP. The building itself is unused and is kept as a shrine." Nurhan Davutyan (seen under the title "About Cumhuriyet", Armenian Observer, March 15, 1989) [1] Dr. Ibrahim Tali Ongoren, Special Organization leader with the rank of lieutenant-colonel, and a prominent Ittihadist, was in Erzurum in December 1914, assisting Dr. Behaeddin Sakir in the organization of brigands (killer units). Refer to Holocaust and Genocide Series, Vol. 1, No. 2, pages 169- 192 (The Role of Turkish Physicians in the World War One Genocide of Ottoman Armenians, Vahakn Dadrian), 1986, England. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found this in an old usenet post archived by Google Groups posted by an Armenian named David Davidian. Read some of his posts on usenet, he was posting back when most of the users of usenet and posters where in American colleges and universities, see the future of Turkey(okay by now most of them represent the present of Turkey as they no longer students), their best and brightest that are sent to the United States to study and their diaspora in American higher learning and their denialist arguments. It seems from reading his polemics with the Turks that their diaspora and the students they send here refuse to adapt to their host society and instead cling to the racist Turanism and Kemalism and prefer to stick to very biased historians on the Turkish payroll.

Soil From page 21 A flower's mother A solider's father The farmer's wife The start and end of life, The sword can't cut it, Man can't kill it, Millions pounding on your face, you take the pain And present no fight, you give them flowers, Fruits, and drugs, They give you trash, oil, and shit We would rather Pray to something We can't see or touch, than you, our God.

Cool Gardens by Serj Tankian A metaphor? From page 5 Every time I fart, of late, I feel the excretory juices of my feces, Squishing and squashing between my butt cheeks, However I have no desire to wipe my ass, anymore A metaphor?

Revolution and Genocide: On the Origins of the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust by Robert Melson disappointed me in that it did not compare how the occupations of Germany in WWII and Turkey in WWI turned out. Today you do not see the Germans to whine and complain after committing genocide and trying to run over Europe, North Africa, etc. that their nation was unfairly occupied. The Germans after the Holocaust were like the modern Turks when they were marched into Auschwitz post-war they refused to believe. The Turks on the other hand after WWI, the Allied Powers were more worried of each others intentions in carving up the Ottoman Empire and the Kemalists exploited this to finish doing what they were suppossed to be punished for by these Allies. The Allies could not form a unified policy on Turkey and instead competed for influence with the Kemalist forces in the most disgusting ways, watching from Smyrna while Christians were slaughtered ordering their ships not to rescue the civilians, the missonaries who used to report the Armenian genocide in progress were trying to cover up the genocide to endear themselves with the Kemalists and save their church properties, Kemalist soldiers showing to the Allied troops the watches and other trinkets they had looted from Christians as a sick sign of Turkish friendship, etc. Part of the reason for this discrepancy is that the European Powers militarily suffered much at the hands of the German military whereas Turkey could not project its force on the Allied Powers, it could only kill the former Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire which it did not need with the collapse of the millet system with the emergence of the even worse construct of an identity based on Turkishness. Germany in World War II was a threat to these powers so they did a better job of reforming German society whereas Turkish society they have not choosen to reform after WWI and to play games of who can curry favor with the Turks more. So we have two nations who committed genocide and did not think it was wrong but one due to outside intervention went from having a weak cultural super-ego to a strong one while the Turks still have an underdeveloped super-ego and still consider Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, etc. as ex-/subject peoples beneath them.

There is a huge problem in modern Turkish society due to its development. I think many of the anaylsis's are shallow based on the premise that most people are decent and that it is the Turkish state that is indecent and not the Turkish society. It is both that are indecent. Turkish society from the battle of Manzikert, to the founding of modern Turkey to their most recent military invasion of Cyprus in 1974 is built on invasions and destruction. The Greek American historian Speros Vryonis says that when the Turks invaded Anatolia the pastoral nomads created vast destruction to the sedentary peoples, so much that even the Seljuk rulers had to spend much time fighting Turkmen nomads as the sedentary peoples were useful economically while the Turkmens were useless economically, their only use was for conquering and creating a no-mans land so the Byzantines would have trouble reconquering areas lost. This vast destruction caused much trauma in the sedentary Christian societies their institutions were destroyed, their church leadership destroyed which made it easy for Islamic dervishes to Islamize these people after such trauma occured to their society. Today do you see Armenians to ride horses and move around from place to place in urts? It is clear who was conquered militarily and who was conquered culturally. Domino is right that the educated Turks are even worse, because they will not tend to use their intellect to seek the truth but to help whitewash the Turkish state's crimes with more elaborate psuedo-babble. The Turks who try to say that Armenians and Turks have so much in common culturally are pretty sly chauvinists in my opinion, but I suppose most will think they are reasonable Turks. The Turks essentially every group they have conquered they have destroyed almost completely their formal culture so that a few economic elites like the Greek Phanariots and the various Christian clergies are all that are left to carry the formal culture, which they could not do until near the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, formal culture being abandoned for popular culture, a folk culture, the formal cultures that were more advanced than that of the Seljuks(who stole so much Persian formal culture the Byzantines considered them as Persians), many subject peoples during the collapse found themselves in the same situation, with a more powerful formal culture than the Turks. It creates an inferiority complex in Turkish society that they have more military power and the Ottoman Empire, its premise was that the Christians were conquered so the muslims were therefore superior, but to be economically and culturally backward and knowing it while thinking they are superior. I think this explains the development of Turkish nationalism why such sayings as "One Turk is worth the whole world," have emerged. These sayings are clear evidences of an inferiority complex that characterizes Turkish society. Their nationalism was built on being proud to be Turkish, without being proud of achievements, even if they did develop their nationalism as being proud of their "achievements" they would probably have stolen the achievements of nations they conquered. Robert Melson in "Revolution and Genocide" mentions that the Turks compensated for their economic inferiority vis a vis Armenians with their military superiority and their governmental superiority, rounding them up, killing them and seizing their wealth. A few examples of the cultural situation: From Traditional Turkish Cuisine ...."Onion and tomato paste are two indispensable elements in Turkish Cuisine." .... The Liutprand of Cremona (c.922-c.972) makes much mention of onions used in the cuisine upon his visit to Contantinople. Besides does it make much sense for nomads to have eaten the cuisine of modern Turks who are sedentary or to assimilate the cuisine of the people they conquered? I have a book about Genghis Khan that mentions the diet of the pastoral nomadic Mongol tribes that included many Turkic tribes and it does not sound anything like Greek cuisine. Marco Polo also mentions that the Greeks and Armenians of Asia Minor made beautiful carpets during his travels there, so this shows which Anatolians are responsible for the Turkish carpets. Back to the fascist sayings of the Turkish state, if you go to this photo album you can see one of them "Ne Mutlu Turkum Diyene"(according to Lemonde Diplomatique: Happy is he who considers himself a Turk) hugely emblazoned on a mountain. This brings me to my conclusion do you expect this Turkish society to admit to an honest historiography? This is a huge case of congnitive dissonance. The Turkish historians in their majority just make what they write up, distort, take things out of context and the more intelligent they are the better they usually are at it. There is intelligence and then there is integrity like Taner Akcam have and Ismail Besicki many Turkish historians are intelligence but they use it whitewash the Turkish state. The Turkish historians feed the population with lies and they want to believe them because the truth is the Turks their society is built on destruction of other peoples and claiming their culture, their land as Turkish after enfeebling or even destroying these groups. What nation will want to admit that their accepted history is a monsterous lie, that their civilization is built on banditry, conquest, lying and that all their historians that are not in jail, have not been in jail or are not forced into exile are by necessity liars because the Turkish state does not consider them as enemies? The Turks to accept their history honestly would have to come up with a new saying: "How ashamed I am to be Turk" and "How much I must apologize".

Does anyone know where I can find a military history/analysis(website or book) of the Karabagh conflict?

I have been thinking hard about the so called Holocaust that is tarnishing the image of Germans. I say open up the archives! Until the relevant archives are opened with records from Vichy France, The Third Reich, Germany's allies such as Bulgaria and Romania no one can make a decision about the alleged Holocaust. The only way a decision can be made by an individual about this Holo-hoax before the opening up of proper archives is due to a deep seated anti-German racism.

Accelerated your anaylsis is right on. The translated Greek newspaper article I pasted helps support this thesis. The Turkish government wanted to celebrate Turkish culture and the 550th anniversary of the Fall of Constantinople, and the location of the celebration spoke volumes. Not only do most Turks not think it is strange to celebrate invasions in a country run by the military but you do not see much protest that this celebration of an old invasion celebrated Turkish culture. This is kind of implying Turkish culture is war and invading and that Turkish culture steals the achievements of other nations such as the Greek built Hagia-Sofia. I can not think of a bigger example supporting your thesis than the Turks celebrating their culture in an Orthodox church which the Turks did not build but they destroyed much of its artistic beauty with minarets and painting over its murals with Islamic graffiti. If you go to Turkish tourist websites and waste your time reading their history you will see it is Hellenophobic propaganda. You get the impression from reading it that there were these mythical Ionians living in Western Turkey, mythical because the Turks try to take Ionians and not say they are Greek as if these Ionians did not consider themselves a part of Greek culture. Marauders have conquered these monuments from antiquity that most likely the Turkish state would systemically destroy if not for the hard currency that the tourists who come to see them bring. If you do visit Turkey try to do everything under the table. If you can stay at a Turks home and pay them instead of a hotel, do it to deny the Turkish state revenues from taxes to fund Armenian genocide denial, equip its military, fund F-type prisons, buy lobbying groups in Washington, pay for the brutal Turkish police, etc. The less money the Turkish government has the better.

Speaking of Hagia Sofia a Greek newspaper(Freepress) recently ran an interesting piece on what the Turkish marauders have been doing in this ex-church. Eleftherotypia: Parliamentarians talk about the "defilement of" the Hagia Sofia "Brutal challenge to the sensitivities of Hellenism" characterize the statements by the deputies of PASOK St. Papathemelis and Mr. Spyriounis and "they from the side of Turkish state defile Saint Sofia with its utilization as a place to hold "artistic" events for the celebration of 550th anniversary of the Fall of Constantinople. With questions to the ministers of Culture and Foreign Affairs they ask to be informed about how the Greek government will react, what initiatives it thinks should be undertaken internationally for the condemnation of this new barbarbism and if finally in bilateral relations the Government is to give a factual message and what this message will be. They stress, finally, that this coincides with an escalation of intensifying Turkish vulgarity shown with the continuous violations of our national sovereign territory. [This translation is based on a machine translation which I modified. It is a poor translation but you get the point.]

Sinan was German. The word sun in German is sonne. This is word sonne is compromised of the most common sounds made by humans son+ne, and since we know that all living beings need sunlight, we can conclude that the Germans are the most ancient people. I will have to spell this out --- THIS MEANS THAT SINAN WAS INDEED GERMAN.

There is no doubt the German nation is glorious. I need only to mention two names to prove this: Einstein and Freud Has the Jewish nation ever produced such minds? The answer is clear. The deeds of the Fuhrer speak enough about his glory, but about him this I will say, he almost liberated the whole world from liberalism and would have succeeded if a certain group whose name begins with a J did not betray the Reich. What a joy it is to say I am German.

It is important to note that Turkey is not a country in the normal sense but more of a military that controls a given national boundary and in some mountain ranges it does not even have control in this national boundary due to various guerilla groups the biggest of which is KADEK. This is important to note for anyone expecting Turkey to recognize any of its crimes. The country is controlled by a omnipresent military that censors radio with the RTUK, it controls a vast portion of the Turkish economy with the OYAK organization, it controls national affairs with the national security council, etc. The military in Turkey is everywhere, and pictures of the soldier that founded the country named Ataturk are everywhere as well. So how to defend such a fascist country best? Offence, offence, offence. When France's parliament recognized the Armenian genocide, should this military that runs a country accept France's position or attack France in the Turkish press for its role in Algeria? Offence. Should Turkey wait till Cyprus becomes independent or part of Greece and can threaten Turkey or should Turkey invade at the first opportunity, after over 10,000 thousand Greek troops leave and the Greek junta conducts a coup with a mere 450 ELDYK(Greek Forces in Cyprus) on the island giving Turkey a perfect pretext to invade with little opposition? Turkey being run by its military is good for the fascist national interests of this state but for its population it is good for nothing other than making their society more fanatic and poor. Turkey is always on the offence attacking other nations with states, Armenia, Syria, Greece and nations without states even such as Kurds to protect what its militaristic elite considers their interest. Now the Turkish population is at whole very sick and actually respects its military and this military's control of the state. Turkey and Turkish society handles the Armenian genocide in a very militaristic manner, on a near constant offensive against the truth and reality.

Excuse me, it is you who is joking. The German nation is 83 million strong. The Second Great War was over 50 years ago, Jews need to think about Israel establishing good relations with Germany and to stop worrying about the past. We are willing to forget their backstabbing, but this genocide non-sense and anti-Reich propaganda from world Jewry must stop for us Germans to forgive them. Jews and Germans lived peacefully together for hundreds of years, until they decided to wake up morning and betray the Fuhrer, the Third Reich and the glorious German nation. We are 83 millions, we are Germans, we are strong! Do not be racist against Germans, or you will regret it. Germany is an important NATO ally, I must add.

While the Germans recognize that they massacred many Jews, the Jews do not admit that during the uprisings of the Warsaw ghetto uprising that many Germans, many of them soldiers, also died. The Germans recognize Jewish suffering, but do the Jews care about German suffering during WWII? It was a period of war, a difficult time for the Third Reich and during the war both sides lost many lives. Both sides suffered equally, most of the Jews died of cholera, dysentery and other diseases, diseases do not discriminate like all the anti-German racists who write about the "so-called Holocaust". Germans also got dysentery and cholera and died because diseases do not discriminate unlike these biased people trying to blacken the German nation and the Third Reich. The Jews were treated fairly during the reign of the Third Reich and Hitler but unfortunately they got the idea of collaborating with invading Russian armies against the sixty million strong German nation which left the Germans with no other choice than to protect Germans from Jews who were massacring Germans with the help of Russian armies, by placing all Jews in ghettos, forced labor camps and concentration camps. I truly feel sorry for both sides but there is no excuse for Jews stabbing the German nation in its back by collaborating with Russian imperialism. The Jews should have known better than to collaborate with Russian Jewry at a time when the German nation was fighting for its very survival and could not allow Jewish militamen behind German lines to help the Allied Powers.

That was a huge failed opportunity. Turkey has no trouble in using real-politik to further its genocide denial, Turkey is a good Western ally, let us forget its genocidal past and its poor human rights record, its aggressions againsts its neighbors, because they are such a good NATO ally who helped in the Cold War and today it buys American and Israeli weapons. That would have been a good opportunity to get Israeli politicians to recognize the Armenian genocide in retaliation for accusing Israel of genocide.

That is a lie that Turks have had good relations with the Jews always. Turkey stripped its Jews of their property unlawfully with the Turkish Head Tax, the Varlik Vergisi in a very racist and chauvinist action typical of Turkish state and society to try to place the economy out of the hands of Greeks, Armenians and Jews and give Turks more economic power. In WWII Turkey was neutral playing both sides for favors but it was more pro-Axis then Allied, it even turned back a ship of Jews fleeing the Holocaust to not anger Germany. The modern Turkish identity is based on alot of anti-arab chauvinism as you display. If you look at the pictures of clothing that many Turks used to wear before the authoritarian dress reforms you will see they are similiar to arab dress, also the Turkish language reforms purging words seen as arabs for words considered "pure Turkish" display this chauvinism. I do not think many Armenians are impressed with the "secular" Turks and their new ultra-nationalist Kemalist ideology, so save the crap about backward Islamism as if this new ideology is better or less authoritarian. When the Ottoman Empire was collapsing the leadership turned to pan-Islamism to try to keep the Ottoman Empire together and as you display many Turks even today resent the Arabs for rising up with the "imperialist Brits" ignoring that the Ottoman Empire(Empire=Imperialism) was imperialist. I think what System of Down said in their song about the Armenian genocide can apply to any group under Turkish rule, even these arabs who "stabbed Turks in the back": "Revolution, the only solution, The armed response of an entire nation," ... For even today you show resentment and trouble in accepting the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, you talk about not violating its or Turkey's territorial integrity in other threads, it is a Turkish idea fixee about minorities stabbing them in the back for not wanting part of their despotic Ottoman Empire and rebelling and then to hypocritically talk about imperial Brits. My friend the average Brit of today accepts the collapse of his British Empire and can admit that their Empire deserved to die, unlike the Turks who are still fixated on "people stabbing them in the back".

About the "harmless Turks"... I do not know what should be considered more disgusting the two faced Turks who deny the Armenian genocide and try to feign concern for Armenian suffering, or the Turks who do not even know Armenians ever existed. It is not harmless when a society can destroy a group from Anatolia and have members of this society who have no memory of the destroyed group. You should not be relieved that they do not know who Armenians are, you should be amazed at their ignorance, their historical absenteeism and offended.

Domino, excuse me but your position is quite despicable and you owe Greece and Greeks an apology. I wonder if any Armenian here has read the book "Smyrna 1922: The Destruction of a City" by Marjorie Housepian Dobkin ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/096...6391374-5358426 ). I am basing most of what I say here on that book. I do not own it or have it with me, I read it on an interlibrary loan and that was quite a few months ago, so this is all from memory. The Turks say the Greek expedition to Asia Minor was imperialism, but then they do not think or say the Ottoman Empire was imperialist, or that Turkey is imperialist, so they know nothing. The Armenians of Smyrna during the short period of Greek rule could relax knowing the Turks could not do anything drastic. Greece was the only country that really had an interest in supporting the Sevres treaty, Britain supported Greece morally, but not materially and helped enforced a blockade of naval re-supply of Greek forces that eventually caused the Greek collapse. Ulimately in the end Britain turned to the side of Mustafa Kemal and gave him the exact and precise positions of Greek forces, told them Greek plans and diverted several Greek divisions to help the Kemalists get their victory against the Greek military. France was very two faced and pretended it supported Sevres but was collaborating with the Nationalist Pact and trying to curry favor with that racist Mustafa Kemal. Dobkin's book even mentions an anecdote where high ranking French military officials were meeting with Kemal and were impressed by his "daring" in raiding and attacking lightly armed French garrisons in Cilicia and snatching French weapons to use against the Greek army and Christian civilians such as Armenians. That to me was amazing and shows the disgusting and disdainful policy of the French government to make it look like it supported Sevres but then be impressed when Turkish leaders dared to defy Sevres and even kill French soldiers! The Armenians from surrounding areas who fled to Smyrna were being fed and helped by Greeks and Armenians of Smyrna. After the Greek army was defeated, due mostly to the lack of the Western policy to form a cohesive policy to force the Turks to accept Sevres and its conditions and instead adopting seperate policies that involved trying to curry favor with the Kemalists by doing disgusting acts. Some of these disgusting acts were the refusal of many Allied admirals to help evacuate Christians from Smyrna, it was the policy of all the Allied powers to not help evacuate Christians and leave them to the Turkish army. If an Allied warship did help in this it was done against their governments policy, because of a sympathetic crew or admiral to the plight of the Christians. On the other hand Greece, a bankrupt nation asked for permission from the Allies to send steamers from Athens to help evacuate the Christians during the massacres of Smyrna, and Greece did not refuse to take Armenians even though there were so many, over a million refugees eventually in Greece most of them Greek. Greek islanders with their small boats also helped saved thousands of Greeks and Armenians from the Turks and helped them. The racist Admiral Bristol of the United States refused to help Greece with aid to care for the refugee epidemic, eventually Dobkin's book mentions that France agreed to help Greece by taking thousands of Armenian refugees away from Greece and into France where they could be cared for better, since the Greek state was destitute at the time and there was mass disease in the refugee camps in Greece. I cannot remember when France did this, but they waited a while so not to anger Turkey, which shows French policy. France owes the Armenians an apology! It played a part in the Armenian genocide in its later stages with its policies, it was jealous Britian got oil rich Mosul and they say the Greek expedition to enforce Sevres as a Greece being Britain's foreing policy tool, while France had to babysit Cilicia. So Armenians left to go back to their homes thinking of French protection while the French had a more banal policy. Greece and Greeks played no part in Armenian suffering at the time and instead did what they could to help Armenians even though Greece at the time had so little and was bankrupt. It is not just Armenians who know what it feels like to have these unvited Turkmen nomads to come to the region and watch the Armenian world shrink before the non-stop Turkish onslaught, the Hellenic world and Hellenes have had the same experience, so Greeks are not indifferent as Frenchmen to Armenia's current situation. As recently as 1974 the Greeks of the North of Cyprus and their thousand year presence ended, the Turks also cleansed other Christians like Maronites and Armenians from their ill-gotten gains. Any Armenian can go to the best Armenian genocide website here: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/current_c...ation_list.html and see in a few seconds time that France recognizes the Armenian genocide but does not name or condemn a perpetrator lest they offend Turkey, nor does it apologize for its part of the suffering of Armenians. The Armenians of Musa Dugh ( http://www.armenian-genocide.org/encyclope...a/musa_dagh.htm ) who heroically resisted the Turks, had to relocate because of France giving the Turks Alexandretta as a present in 1939, they did not want to take a chance with Turkish repression. So even as late as 1939 France was causing Armenian suffering lest they should anger the ultra-nationalist and fascist Turks and their claims on one of their neighbors. Greece on the other hand along with Cyprus both name Turkey as the perpetrator. Cyprus goes one better and calls for the restoration of the inviolable rights of the Armenians, but Domino probably thinks Cyprus is opportunist for also mentioning: ... "In parallel considers it necessary to condemn the crime committed against the people of Cyprus by the Turkish invasion of 1974." I wonder how excited you will be when Germany recognizes the genocide but does not mention its role of complicity, risking economic retaliation by Turkey unlike unprincipled Russia and Greece. Greece and Greeks gave Armenians much help when they needed it the most while France would not even set a policy of using its warships to help retrieve Armenians and Greeks from the quay of Smyrna. George Horton ( http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/HortonBook.htm ) estimates over 100,000 Greeks and Armenians perished at Smyrna. You have it backwards as to which party is respectable in genocide recognition and which side has no honor and no shame; France. France sells Turkey weapons, meanwhile Armenian officers receive military education in Greece; Cyprus and Greece have limited military co-operation with the Armenian republic. Vive la France!

Domino, the Turks lack what Freud called a cultural super-ego. What the super-ego is to an individual, the Turks as a collective lack it. I will start a thread on this meme later in the Genocide Forum where it is most appropriate as it explains why the Turks deny the Armenian genocide and why they are so two-faced. When an individual does not commit murder, it is because of his super-ego usually and not out of fear of punishment. Even the very thought of murder to most is enough to make them feel bad as the super-ego admonishes even for mere thoughts. If someone does not commit an atrocity such as murder only because of a fear of external punishment something is wrong. Now for the Turks to develop a super-ego in my opinon would necessitate for them to face a huge and total military defeat similiar to Germany after WWII, because I see little honesty and potential for freedom in Turkish society. The Germans it must be remembered as a society during Nazism lacked a cultural super-ego as well, the ones that were made to see concentration camps by the Allied troops refused to believe in the Holocaust, which is similiar to Turks today, they are children who feel no remorse and they must be punished externally to develop an actual super-ego. I recommend any Armenian here read the book: "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" by Wilhelm Reich if you want to understand Turkish and other fascist societies with no morals. Most people blame the leaders only, but with something like genocide it is not possible without the support of society. If the Turks had a cultural super-ego and thought destroying other groups was wrong then there would be no Armenian genocide. The interesting thing about Reich is he says fascism and sexual repression goes hand in hand. The Turkish military, as I am sure most Armenians know, has a long history of mass rapes, as can be seen as recently as 1974 in Cyprus with thousands of mass rapes, which shows Turkish society is acutely sexually repressed.