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No, the title there belongs to the sort of vermins of the earth who would deny the existence of a sea of khatchkars by getting anal retentive about ram tombstones being Azeri instead of Armenian because someone violated backward rules banning photography in their half-arse country.

It's written by the Azeri Press Agency. The Bakhtiyar Hajiyev might not even exist.

Agreed. It is learned behaviour - learned from peers, from the media, family, you name it.

Of course not. Neither are the Japanese, nor Elvis Presley, nor Abe Lincoln.

Well, I did post this under "life" for a reason - did not want to get it religious, at least not too religious. What has really been on my mind is that some people will run after you with an axe for the slightest of slights, and most people let such roll over their backs. At the other end of the spectrum, you have people with the above story under horrible circumstances, albeit with religious reasons. So who is better off? I very much see the point behind harbouring the sort of feelings which harm the host, but then are not grief and revenge natural feelings? Or is it that revenge is a human concoction? Do other life forms seek revenge? Does a mother bear go after the slayer of her cubs? Why not? (Though we hear stories of vindictive elephants razing villages in the countryside.) In the human instance with the above story, is it what is called "rationalisation"?

Geez, get a PM.

So much for family-friendly Armenian comedy, then.

Angl-tun, maybe?

Oh dear, yes, I remember the movie. Creeps. Thank goodness I am not easy to copy either - takes a lot more commitment than just the hair, make-up, and clothes. (Courage for permanent make-up?) Don't know what to say, except that it sucks. And the situation with training her and helping her out shows you are kind. I don't know if you have any other choice in the matter, but given the environment, I'd say don't be (kind) - don't overextend yourself. In the previous workplace there was a team like that, and one girl in particular went through pretty much similar things like yours with her team leader. In the end they couldn't even look each other in the face. It's better to be cautious and reserved, IMO. Time, indeed, tells a lot, and it's best to piecemeal some things. Never underestimate the power of the element of surprise. I was lucky in the previous workplace with my supervisor. At least he wasn't an arse. I have a friend in another company who is even luckier, in that her team all go on vacation with theirs, but that is another extreme. And indeed most managers, I think, are afraid of talented, knowledgeable underlings. It takes character to know in a position like that that you should be empowering the employee, not dissing them.

Azaty Poo, I hope you're faring better. Good luck. Don't blame yourself, and I hope the criminals end up paying for it with their arses. This for you, when all this is over: http://video.about.com/vegetarian/Mousse.htm

I just remembered I get annoyed by pointless repetitions or nudging. Once I slapped someone in the line behind me for being an arse and the repetitions stopped. He actually left the line.

Yes, I made a post - and I'm allowed to, am I not? And it was a piece of commentary about a real-life event. The only valid point here is that some people do exercise a different approach to things in line with what they preach. It is not that I preach forgiveness or what-not per se - but the whole approach put into practice is beyond anything I had imagined. You always hear about it, the talk is talked, but the walk walked? I don't find it deranged or something - it is just what it is. Deranged is killing everyone around you in a rage or something of the sort, and moreover it is not shared by a community unless they do group drugs. I had a moment of reflection, is all. I'm not quite sure about the advantages of this approach, but I do find it fascinating in today's world. And I am not being touchy here - where did you get that from? Methinks you are projecting again. I'll start working for NASA by the time I figure out what you're getting at here. OK, so I'll wrap it up with a suggestion instead - practice what you preach.

Regardless of the person's beliefs, I also feel the need to commend him for being from a group somewhat exclusive and yet praising the Amish in line with his beliefs. Most do not bother. Below is the story. I find it really interesting that someone can be in that frame of mind. It's not exactly inspiring but still food for thought in these days when many of us short of lose it for comparably lesser slights and annoyances. Maybe it's time to abandon technology and move back. Amish grandfather: 'We must not think evil of this man' POSTED: 2:30 a.m. EDT, October 5, 2006 Story Highlights• Amish community speaks of forgiveness for schoolhouse gunman • Funerals for five slain girls to be held Thursday and Friday • Five more shooting victims remain in hospitals in critical or serious condition • Police: Shooter said he molested children in the past, dreamed of doing it again Adjust font size: PARADISE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A grieving grandfather told young relatives not to hate the gunman who killed five girls in an Amish schoolhouse massacre, a pastor said on Wednesday. "As we were standing next to the body of this 13-year-old girl, the grandfather was tutoring the young boys, he was making a point, just saying to the family, 'We must not think evil of this man,' " the Rev. Robert Schenck told CNN. "It was one of the most touching things I have seen in 25 years of Christian ministry." The girl was one of 10 shot by Charles Carl Roberts IV after he invaded their one-room schoolhouse in rural Pennsylvania on Monday. (Watch how the Amish have already forgiven the killer -- 2:46) Three died at the scene and two died early Tuesday at hospitals. (Watch how Amish practices affected treating, identifying the victims -- 4:16 ) Funerals for four of the victims are scheduled for Thursday, and the fifth will be Friday. Five girls remained hospitalized on Wednesday. A 13-year-old and a 12-year-old were listed in serious condition, and three other girls, ages 6, 8 and 10, are in critical condition, according to hospital officials. At the families' request, the hospital did not provide details on the extent of the girls' injuries. Schenck met with the families of two of the victims as well as the family of the gunman. Relatives of Roberts had no hint that he would commit such violent acts, the pastor said. Others who knew him described him as troubled. "One person who had had almost daily encounters with him said that she noted that he never looked into anyone's eyes, he never looked into anyone's faces, and she knew that there was something deeply troubling about him," Schenck said. "Although she did say, she was very careful to say, that Charles Roberts was not an evil person. That he was a deeply troubled man, that he had, in her words -- the sort of modest words of the Amish -- that he had problems of the heart." On Tuesday, police said Roberts told his wife he molested young relatives 20 years ago and was dreaming about molesting children again. (Full story) But police said Wednesday that they located two relatives Roberts allegedly molested when they were between ages 3 and 5, and both "are confident they were never assaulted by Roberts," said Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Linette Quinn. "If there was a question of the fact that they could not remember because they were at a young age, I'm sure the investigation would look further, but I believe they are confident with the information they received," Quinn said. Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Roberts may have targeted the school for its girl students and -- given various items found in the school -- intended to molest the children. (Watch police describe the molestation confession -- 1:34 ) Jack Meyer, a member of the Brethren community living near the Amish in Lancaster County, said local people were trying to follow Jesus' teachings in dealing with the "terrible hurt." "I don't think there's anybody here that wants to do anything but forgive and not only reach out to those who have suffered a loss in that way but to reach out to the family of the man who committed these acts," he told CNN. Sam Stoltzfus, 63, an Amish woodworker who lives a few miles away from the shooting scene, told The Associated Press that the victims' families will be sustained by their faith. "We think it was God's plan, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces and keep going," he told AP. "A funeral to us is a much more important thing than the day of birth because we believe in the hereafter. The children are better off than their survivors." When members of the community die, they are buried in wooden coffins; women in all white and men in all black, according to AP. (Watch how the Amish maintain their simple lifestyle -- 2:40) Bodies are embalmed, but undertakers do not apply makeup. Funerals are held in the victim's home, and the dead are delivered to the cemetery in a horse-drawn carriage. A hymn is read, but there is no singing, AP reported. Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/04/amish.shooting/

Um, I don't think he was actually promoting apathy. Maybe you should read it again? This man is active in a Christian denomination, FYI. No Buddhists around to comment on the piece?

Relax. You're projecting. I had my coffee incident on my mind. (By the way we took class action and the situation has improved. ) Just because I posted it doesn't mean I actually endorse it, at least not fully. What I do relate to, however, is that part where he mentions that while we seethe the other end does not even have a clue as to the feelings harboured. It is so true - except until you take corrective action, of course. I don't partake to the idea of turning of the other cheek and similar frap. And I advise that you don't go too far in assuming about my wishful thinking or convictions. Both are irrational notions.

I think in this case they had no understanding of what was going on.

I missed the part about the job. What is it?

Forgiveness March 12, 2007 Dear X, There was a vivid image reported when the gunman went into the Amish school and killed the little girls. A grandfather of one of the slain girls stood over her lifeless body in the bloody classroom and lectured the young men there on forgiveness and not thinking ill of the killer. Many of the Amish reached out to the family of the killer in their time of need and offered their forgiveness on the very day of the attacks. Meanwhile, a columnist in our local newspaper recently wrote a story about how he cannot forgive the state of Virginia for the slavery that occurred here before 1865 – almost 150 years ago. Why is it that some people can forgive nearly instantly for the most personal transgressions such as someone killing your child and others cannot forgive things that didn’t even happen to them or anyone they know almost 150 year prior? The answer, it would seem, is in our understanding of forgiveness. The first major misunderstanding of forgiveness is the confusion between giving forgiveness and earning forgiveness. There are some that believe that in order to forgive someone, they must earn it by expressing penitence (being sorry), apologizing and repenting. If this were true, we would forgive very few people. Let’s face it, all too often, when someone does something to you or your loved ones, they are anything but sorry that they did it. They justify themselves at best and are plainly happy about it at worst. Forgiveness is like grace; it is not earned. It is freely given without any expectation. Take the Amish incident as an example. If the Amish waited for the killer, who committed suicide to repent, they would still be waiting, wouldn’t they? Another misconception about forgiveness is the idea that the primary benefit goes to the forgiven. This may be partially true, but the truth is that the main benefit accrues to the person doing the forgiving. First, the person who forgives does not have this cancer of the soul of being unforgiving. When we do not forgive, it makes us bitter, angry and resentful. We suffer. There are times when the offender doesn’t even know we are upset with them. Yet, we carry around this burden which eats us up inside as if when we finally do give the offender our forgiveness, they are the ones who will be unburdened. Second, we will be forgiven as we forgive. If we are the type who is very stingy with our forgiveness, we are setting up a scenario for ourselves at Judgment that will be far less than ideal. It would be preferred if we showed up at the Judgment being more like the Amish than the columnist. Finally, the last common misconception about forgiveness is that forgiving means apathy, signaling approval of the deed or not following through with correction. Nothing could be further from the truth. To forgive is to put away all malice, hatred, ill-will, desire for retribution and personal vindication. Forgiveness is NOT necessarily letting someone get away with something, go without consequences, avoid ecclesial discipline or simply allowing this type of behavior to go on. We can and should forgive instantly. From this basis of love (rather than anger), we can act justly. Thinking Godly thoughts in love, we can decide what exactly should be done, if anything, according to the Scriptures. Anger and bitterness are only blockers to doing the right thing, not agents for righteousness. Until we truly forgive, we are not in a position to act. To act without forgiving assures us that our decisions will not be correct if only from the fact that our motives will not be pure. Forgiveness must precede correction. It is sad that among God’s believing children there are those who, despite the clear counsel of Scripture, continue to carry around the cancer of being unforgiving. It makes this life much harder and harsher putting a tarnish on all we say, do and think. It also makes the prospect of Judgment very bleak. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. (Matt. 18:32-35) Have a great week, Kyle Tucker

Yes, I have been terrible at relating anyway and moreover am terribly stupid. Apologies for the inconvenience.

I get annoyed in traffic or when having to dodge people on the sidewalk. Otherwise I'm pretty OK with the rest. The mouth noises, I have a threshold limit with. I also do not have problems with barking dogs and stuff, sometimes don't even notice. Some people really get annoyed by them and starting shouting back at the dog. I do not however like to be kept from my sleep by a crying baby or something, especially on the plane where you shouldn't be using earplugs. It gets tougher when you are really tired. Then I start fantasising about the baby getting on its feet and going out the exit door. The screeches, eugh.

Who ever has been telling you that you can't is a scam artist. All it takes is a visa and a two-way ticket...

Oran rolled in as a candidate only belatedly. I think that didn't help. Not sure there is a way of knowing whether he could still have scored higher than the 3/8ths of what he needed even without the poke in the stokes. Oran also had the support of fringe groups such as homosexuals and transsexuals, where he has research and activism experience - his slogan going along the lines of, All who are oppressed and marginalised by the system shall stand up for each other instead of adding to the divide - the Kurd for the homosexual, the homosexual for the Alewite, the Alewite for the Armenian, the Armenian for the X, one for all, all for one. And of course he made it very clear that people had to stop voting for someone simply because they were from their own group - Alewites for Alewites, Kurds for Kurds, etc. Apparently people still aren't quite there yet... Furthermore someone as sharp as Oran would have brought about greater noise, which is what is needed to "break the mould," than Uras is generating now. Let's face it, neither can accomplish, achieve, much of matter - so shaking people up would have been good service. Uras' speak is limited in comparison. Oh well, such is life. Oran likely would have chewed the mould and spat it out. For those of you not familiar with him, I had mentioned Oran before - http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15...mp;#entry189475

Uras would not have been alone if Baskin Oran had been able to make it into parliament as well. Sadly the votes were divided between him and another last-minute and totally, IMO, inconsequential candidate from the same clique... What a mistake.

I see nothing wrong in the girl's outfit. And CNN provides the irony and bigotry as well - the advertorial. Who the hell are they to lecture her on proper clothing? Nobody care to comment on what I said? Let me draw it up again - if you put girls up on a pedestal for the education they receive and the intelligence they are supposed to have, what of the people who harass them, who are also supposed to be intelligent and educated and what-not? Why is so much being expected of girls only? What happened to the sexual revolution? That girl was a lady for being "embarrassed" and "upset" - in her situation I would have force-fed the bigots my shoe.

But of course - nobody that "educated" and "respectable" would want to be caught dead working in a place like THAT - a tattoo parlour!