julianfantino

From what I read http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/aazariINDEX.HTML The alliance between the west and Turkey seems only temporary. Ironically many Turks don't seem to know that to continue their denial atitude will be the very catalyst for the destruction of Turkey. Of course it seems the west also has plans to dispose of the Turkish government in case things are getting out of hand because a truly united "Turania" isn't exactly what the U.S. wants either. Its the division and bitterness within ethnic populations that matter. Already with the Turkish army interfering with America's Iraq plans is already intimidating for Washington because its not the Bushies interest. Looks like a finely diced up middle east is the west's true plan and not this "united Turania". I am sure this Pedo PM Abdullah already knows the consequences and is making a gamble in his megalomania plan, fighting a suicidal war knowing that sooner or later its allies will abandon this idea. Like with Afghanistan, the U.S. might end up cleaning a mess that they have started don't you think?? But then again, we can't always blame the U.S., Anatolia would be alot more stable today if Genghis Khan didn't invade. Building demolition is a Turkish specialty. Who in there right minds would destroy such beautiful architechure of ancient anatolia even if you are the conquerer?? Why is Genghis Khan and co, offended by buildings that are in one piece?? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Oh did I confuse something? I meant the British and Commonwealth alliance who where fighting the Ottomans. Certainly there where instances where regiments of Anzacs and British troops that where encircled, and its hard to believe the Anzacs and British are the kind that would fight to the last man.

This is one thing I have never really heard from British, Commonwealth and Anzacs other than they just retreated or just surrendered. Is that really all?? Many of the Allies could barely get off the beach in the relatively small areas of the Gallipoli landings, its impossible for hundreds to suddenly dissapear without a trace... Neither would the Allies fight to the last man. From what little I gathered, the failed Mesopotamia campaign by the Allies seems to have state that POWs taken by Ottomans ended with the same fate of Armenians. In WWI documentaries British survivors discribed that Ottomans forced the POWs into a Bataan style treatment. But what of the Gallipoli POWs? Did they return alive? Did Ottomans tried to find which is christian and dismember the POW? This administration of Ataturk is too suspicious, the behaviours of ultranationalists especially by the Young Turks seem to say "ulterior motives" everywhere.

I am quite concerned with the recent events regarding this whole "war on terrorism" thingy too. Given the specifics of this situation, it has created the perfect environment for the Turks to act with their false claims. Unfortunately too many people believe that suspecting Turks, Islam and Middle East, equates them to Bush and stuff like that. Many leftists can't seem to take the neutral stance and sympathize with anyone from the middle east blindly to show that they are against Bush and the war for oil. This support from different angles, especially the western media as newspapers all seem to have strengthened the most vocal extremists to gain support. The common masses tend to only side with "them" or "us" no in between or the "common sense" stance. I feel that the U.S. should clean up some of the mess they made first because once the Americans pull out of the middle east is where Turkey comes in. Military might of Turkey is only part of the concern. What if the Turks manage to use the Pan-Turanian propaganda to obtain "So-called-Turania" nuclear nations as allies?? One of the reasons Turanians want to unite Korea as their own is because of the nuclear stockpile. Iran's stockpile and Pakistan's stockpile. Also Russia's stockpile is poorly guarded with obselete security that the Turkish government might be able to convince the Tartars and Volgas to help them. Next thing you know the Turks will have the nukes and making the calls for demand with every superpower at its gunpoint threatening WWIII. The fundamentalist ones don't have anything to lose as they believe that they will end up with 72 virgins if they lose. So from the Turk's point of view WWIII is a win-win, according the the Turk.

But why do Turks use hate as a tool for unity? Civilized people today usually don't buy hate to conduct any form of action. Also in pro-Turanian sites, Turks that are not hateful enough are labeled as traitors, infidels etc etc by other more nationalistic Turks. With this kinda atitude even if Turania is to unite there will be massive slaughter within their own ranks because doubt of ones brethren is treason and the law of Turkey. No freedom of speech, opinion, culture clothing etc. is their ideal empire?? There are Turks that have stopped eating rice because its not Turkish enough. Turania seems really dull. Some posts at Turania.com have vowed to not use un-Turk products until governments of their boycott gives them full authority entry into the "claimed-as" Turkish lands. Whats hiliarious was then everyday the Turks claim to have discovered another country with Turkish roots. I am assuming the motive is world domination?? Also Pan-Turan seems too selfish. One one hand they want "independence" and "unity" and when they turn around they want to deny everyone else the right to live so the Turks can get more "living space". Double standards? Oh by the way, why haven't the Turks from, all the "stans" said anything yet?? They seem really quiet. And why does the grey wolf salute seems almost the same as the Nazi "seig heil" salute?? The arm posture and angle is the same except they only lifted to fingers in a different way. Finally, what happens if there is no country left for the Turks to claim as Turkish? Will they try to claim Mars as there own too??

Holy cow, did you any one here happened to visit www.turania.com?? Their geographical ambitions is just ridiculous. A Turanian empire bigger than even the soviet empire seems to be their one and only goal by the members of www.turania.com The funny thing is these Grey-Wolf fellows don't seem to have any interest in the cultural settings of the so called "turkic nations" they are trying to reunite. All they say is "its turkish" is all they say without any water in the tank. Is the Turanian theory false? All internet searches end me up in some hate rant then factual discussions. Do these Turks have any to talk about other then what battles they fought?? What makes a Turkish nation Turkish seems to be the fact the the conquered were raped by mongols. Now the Turks claim the raped victims to be Turk. Every history book I found seems to state that turk genes were found in so many countries is only evidence of the mongol bloodshed and nothing more. Yet these Turks think that they are some inventer of the wheel. They seem to hate anyone and everyone that don't have their genes. Of all the countries, it seems like Turkey uses hate to promote their nation more so than any ultranationalist that has ever existed. If there are so many racist Turks, how come the media NEVER talks about racist Turks and crimes about racist Turks. I found plenty all over but its never as big as the news about the KKK. What I saw Turks do to Kurd POWs would make every neo-nazi out there look like peaceful flower-gardeners. The most stupid thing I find is when they shoot their own foot by taking the warcrimes of other "so-called turkish" nations as their own accidently. One of my 100000 search results ended me up with a ridiculous claim from a Turk saying that because Japan is Turkish, the Turks are proud that they defeated the US at pearl harbour december 1941 as well as McArthur's battalion in phillipines. This means that the Turks are trying to indirectly say that they are responsible for crimes such as Bataan, Nanking, Burma railway, Phillipine, execution of Anzacs and Marines in Guadacanal and the list goes on.... I have never seen an extremist so dumb as Turks. I ended up here because I know you guys have genuine info on Turks. They are to under the radar. I would like to know what is false and what is true as claimed by Turks from a non-Turk view.