Vigil Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I speak Armenian and have immersed myself in Armenian history, but because I am AC/DC and no longer a member of an Christian church many Armenians state that I am not an Armenian. American-Hye, I have no problem with homosexual Armenians. In fact I have no quarrels with Armenians that are not Christians, unless of course they are Jews, then, I would never consider you Armenian. The reason that I do not consider Armenian Jews Armenian is because of the fact that being Jewish also means you are a Zionist. The only problem I have is when the "liberal block" feels that they can just convert an "otar" into an Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 American-Hye, I have no problem with homosexual Armenians. In fact I have no quarrels with Armenians that are not Christians, unless of course they are Jews, then, I would never consider you Armenian. The reason that I do not consider Armenian Jews Armenian is because of the fact that being Jewish also means you are a Zionist. The only problem I have is when the "liberal block" feels that they can just convert an "otar" into an Armenian. Vigil, how many times you have been screwed up by foreigners and how many times by Armenians. How many times those "perfect" Armenians acted like total pigs be it in casual life situation or when it comes to making important decisions. One reason why I hate so much the Turks besides everything else, is that they made us racists. And why should a foreigner convert to being Armenian? Is there any benefit out of it? Morally or otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Vigil, how many times you have been screwed up by foreigners and how many times by Armenians. I have been "screwed" by foreigners and Armenians. Listen, Gamavor, just because a Armenian has "screwed" you those not mean that all Armenians are evil. The reason that they "screwed" you is because you are living in a "capitalistic" nation, which means that I can only move up the social ladder only if I step on you. This is "capitalism" for you. Furthermore, I know an Armenian man that was just recently been "screwed" by a African American. He gave this devoid Christian 100k because he thought he could trust him as a "Christian", but today this "Christian" is no where to be found. Am I supposed to label all Africans as "evil? No, of course not See this is the problem with Armenians. This goes back to Extrahye’s comment on how "Armenian guys sleep around". Armenian guys sleep around because in America "sleeping around" is advertised as social "norm". However, in no way am I for or against "sleep around", but to date an "otar" just because Armenian guys "sleep around" is illogical because the same "otar" you are dating does "sleep around". Instead, Armenian guys and girls should make it a social "norm" to "sleep" with one another, instead, of continuing this social disease that is separating them. I just find it funny that instead of fixing the social stigmas and problems, Armenians, would rather be ignorant for the sake of being ignorant. How many times those "perfect" Armenians acted like total pigs be it in casual life situation or when it comes to making important decisions. So what? The only reason the youth in general, including Armenians, act like pigs is because of the media. Just turn to MTV and you will see the same "pig like" actions that you are condemning. How come Armenians do not act this way in Armenia, Iran, or any where else besides America? The problem is that morals in America have degenerated and now this same degeneration is affecting Armenians. One reason why I hate so much the Turks besides everything else, is that they made us racists. And why should a foreigner convert to being Armenian? Is there any benefit out of it? Morally or otherwise? Gamavor, I agree with you, which is why I find it insulting that Armenians want to force their "Armenianess" onto "otars" by implying that they have to be "Armenian". This is the only problem I have because later on it becomes very hypocritical to explain to you're child that you should be Armenian. In short, if this continues Armenians will become a shadow of what they once were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 You should know by now that I hate too long posts as long as they are not articles. Blaming media, African-Americans or the social conditions for ones miserable low life is a Middle Eastern excuse, which I don't buy! Nor I'm going to date ugly Armenian girls, no matter how Armenian they are! First and foremost beauty in my book - inside and outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 (edited) Brotha gamavor speaks da truth Can I get an Amen!!!! Edited August 3, 2004 by Seapahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 There should be an option for the starter of a thread to delete his own thread when he's bored with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 OK, do it but please keep the Joke!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 (edited) You should know by now that I hate too long posts as long as they are not articles. Blaming media, African-Americans or the social conditions for ones miserable low life is a Middle Eastern excuse, which I don't buy! Nor I'm going to date ugly Armenian girls, no matter how Armenian they are! First and foremost beauty in my book - inside and outside. Listen Gamavor, I am just letting you know that the moral degeneration you claim that is among Armenians is not because of the fact that they are Armenians, but because they live in a nation that is morally degenerating. Yes, no doubt that physical attraction is a must, but to force me to accept an "otar" as a Armenian is just wrong, this is my entire point. Like wise if a physically unattractive Armenian guy or girl may find it hard to find a Armenian mate, then by all means they can look else where, but to force someone like me to accept their mate as a "Armenian" is just ridiculous. Furthermore, I am not "blaming" African-Americans, but rather the media in general and yes, the media is the cause moral degeneration in this country. The fact of the matter is that corporations will support any form of advertising as long as it will promote the sale of their products even at the expense of morals. See these big corporations want to "spread globalization" and the only way this can be accomplished is by "promoting" assimilation. Listen, I am not going to derail the threat. I am just letting you know that Armenian-Americans, like any American, are a product of their environment. So, to imply that all Armenians are "bad" is inaccurate, when in fact the same moral degeneration is prevalent among all Americans. Edited August 3, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 (edited) Listen Gamavor, I am just letting you know that the moral degeneration you claim that is among Armenians is not because of the fact that they are Armenians, but because they live in a nation that is morally degenerating. BS, to put it mildly! So, you are saying that because you are living in a degenerated society(I agree) you are also degenerated? If so, could you please post your nude picture here in HyeForum, lets say while making love with somebody, just to proof how degenerated you are. Yes, no doubt that physical attraction is a must, but to force me to accept an "otar" as a Armenian is just wrong, this is my entire point. Like wise if a physically unattractive Armenian guy or girl may find it hard to find a Armenian mate, then by all means they can look else where, but to force someone like me to accept their mate as a "Armenian" is just ridiculous. BS, again! If you only knew how little I care whether she is Armenian or not! Furthermore, I am not "blaming" African-Americans, but rather the media in general and yes, the media is the cause moral degeneration in this country. Is anybody forcing you to watch TV? I quit long time ago, because the TV screen makes you feel small! Listen, I am not going to derail the threat. I am just letting you know that Armenian-Americans, like any American, are a product of their environment. So, to imply that all Armenians are "bad" is inaccurate, when in fact the same moral degeneration is prevalent among all Americans. I don't remember saying that all Armenians are bad. That would be prime example of dishonesty to myself, since I happened to be an Armenian by blood and I'm proud of my heritage. All I said is that I have hard time falling in love with all the Armenians, because most of them are not to my liking, not nesesseraly for reasons why others may dislike them. EDit: i fixed the quotes... i hope Edited August 3, 2004 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I quit long time ago, because the TV screen makes you feel small! I always told you that your 72 Inch TV was a little to big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 so instead of finding excuses, try to be a good armenian. Armenians in Armenia are a people who have great love for its people in the diaspora. There is a statue of Charles Aznavura in Armenia, and during its opening the entire city of Gyumri where it opened was present to honor this "great son of armenia". hi, first of all let me clarify I have never stated that people who live in armenia do not have love for their country, however on the other hand I was telling the reality was I wrong? when I said they were distingushing irana hays from ameriga hays and so on? of course not I have experinced that on my own skin, but I will never say that the people who live in armenia do not love their country. Even we can see this in this country as well for instance extra hyes case, by the way extra hay sorry to hear that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 (edited) BS, again! If you only knew how little I care whether she is Armenian or not! Gamavor, to be honest I do not care and have no "preference", but I just can not say that a "otar" wife will the equivalent of a "Armenian" in terms of "preserving" the heritage. How hard is that to understand? I am not justifying my actions. Furthermore, I feel that for me to assume that an "otar" will hold no "drawbacks" is inconsistent. It is inconsistent for me to assume that by decision to marry a "otar" is equivalent of not marrying a "otar". I don’t want to get back into this subject, so, I am going to end it here. You can do what you want with you’re life, but the fact remains that you’re line will only be part Armenian. This entire thread leads me to believe that that some members are trying very hard to convince themselves rather then convincing me. If you think you are right why you are defending or justifying you’re decisions? Why try and use technicalities? I am facing the reality and, ultimate, consequence of my decision, but are the rest of you facing them as well? Edited August 3, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 However, in no way am I for or against "sleep around", but to date an "otar" just because Armenian guys "sleep around" is illogical because the same "otar" you are dating does "sleep around". Except non-Armenian men don't go around saying women shouldn't sleep around while they can and must because they have some urges - a bonus as sexual hang-ups (that women are or must be nonsexual beings) suck and also proof that they know they're not shagging sheep. And non-Armenian women probably don't go around with these ideas of princes on white horses, expecting goodness knows what of men. And then of course both sides may have legitimate grievances about each other, shouldn't discount that altogether. But I think in the case of men it would have to do with the way they see themselves - this Near Eastern thing with men thinking they're God's gift to women. And that might go down to the family structure issues Harut mentioned. You need democracy and respect even in dating couples and relationships. Putting the "makur" fiancée on a high pedestal, as if she's a queen, while being disrespectful toward other women, including the ones on the side... Ew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Vigil, It is obvious from your comment that you consider me to be homosexual. I will have you know that homosexuals consider me to be heterosexual. No, I am not Jewish by religion, so you can still consider me Armenian. But what about all the famous Armenians who married Jews, most of whom took the Jewish religion? Is Arlene Francis no longer considered an Armenian? And what about Saroyan children? How about the Armenian who just married Aaron Spelling's daughter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 (edited) It is obvious from your comment that you consider me to be homosexual. I will have you know that homosexuals consider me to be heterosexual. American-Hye, I only assumed that you were homosexual, but even if you were homosexual, I would still accept you as a Armenian because in my opinion homosexuality is a form of handicap. Furthermore, no one should know what you do in you're private life. However, trying to imply that being homosexual is "normality" is as wrong as a Armenian trying to convince the Armenian community to accept a half Armenian as a Armenian. In short, American-Hye, I have no right to judge the actions of another person, but at the very end a apple is a apple and a orange is a orange, so, to assume that a apple can be the equivalent of a orange is inconsistent. The apple is not better than the orange, but in no way will they have the same taste, scent, and appearance. But what about all the famous Armenians who married Jews, most of whom took the Jewish religion? Why seek my approval? Why don't you ask a Jew to define what a Jew is? In fact let us take a look at how Jews define a Jew: "As a result of the long and varied history of the Jews, it is difficult to define a Jew. For example, there is no such thing as a Jewish race. Anyone born to a Jewish mother, or anyone who has converted to Judaism according to Jewish law, is a Jew. Many people define Jews as a persons who consider themselves Jews." American-Hye, by default they win. See for a Jew preserving their Jewishness by "blood" is a impossible feat due to the fact that there is no such thing as "Jewish blood". They resort to technicalities and illegitimate means to increase their population, but fail to realize that great civilizations have crumbled because they promoted diversity. In fact in Israel they are implemented a "cast system" in which Ethiopian Jews are being used for labor and military posts, while the "whiter" Jews seek seats in politics. They are basically trying to use the "backwards" notions of a "lost tribe of Israel" to convert mass populations worldwide. Recent reads indicate that the Israeli government is looking for the next "lost tribe of Israel" in China. They have zeroed in on a Chinese community of 30 million. Now, 30 million for the Chinese in terms of population is a drop in the bucket, but 30 million for Israel will guarantee their survival. They are trying to do the same thing to Armenians and Kurds by using genetic tests to connect us with Turks (from Turkey) and Ashkenazi Jews. Yes, Turks (from Turkey) and Ashkenazi Jews are related to Armenians genetically, but keep in mind that Turks (from Turkey) and Ashkenazi Jews migrated through Armenia and or the surrounding areas at one point in their past. The sharing of our "genes" was only one way, which is why you will never see the same genetic similarities in Turks from Asia and or Sephardic Jews. The only way I will buy this as a legitimate indication that Jews, Turks, and Armenians are related is if Armenians had a genetic connection with isolated tribes of Turks and Jews or the ones that historically have never been in Armenia. See this is the flat out racist and prejudice stuff the Jewish academia tries to do, which forces me to mistrust them. Why promote diversity and at the same time conduct genetic tests to discredit Armenians? The bottom line is that there can never be a truly "egalitarian" civilization. We can have a the illusion of a "equality", but to actually achieve it would mean committing a cultural and racial genocide on the scales never seen before. See you would not notice this because in the "west" the Jewish academia promotes "diversity", but the same "diversity" is not so widespread in Israel. See in order for Jews to truly be "Gods chosen people" they must be the "oldest" of "Gods people", but how can they be the "oldest" if Armenians predate them? They want to rewrite history in their own image, which, ultimately, places them as the "most ancient" civilization. Furthermore, they exclusively label themselves as the founders of the belief in "one god" when archeological evidence has shown that their scriptures are based on the writings by previous civilizations. At the very end a Jew will always pledge his loyalty to Israel. Just look at the Jewish community in Armenia. They have their Israel why are they in Armenia? I mean what possible reason is there for Jews to create and strengthen "Jewish life" in Armenia? Israel has more jobs and opportunities, so, why come to Armenia? The only possible reason I see is that they want to directly connect themselves with the economies of other nations because once this is done Jews will indirectly gain geopolitical power. This in essence is what the ultimate goal of Zionism is because once Armenia becomes "Jewified", we will see our own national interest become second to those of Israel and her allies. This is why America holds a bias stance towards Israel. Jews have a lot of assets in American banks, which means it would be economic suicide to oppose them. Just recently Ariel Sharon threatened France by calling all French Jews back to Israel, now, why would he do that? See everyone in the world is a slave to Israel, Jews, and Zionism. There is no way to "fight back". Our tax dollars go towards funding Israel and "Jewisness" world wide. As Armenians, we support the very same Jewish lobby that is trying to eradicate race, culture, and ethnicity because once this is done they will remain as the sole ethnicity, race, and culture. If you think I am paranoid, so be it, but I will never ever trust a Jew. Edited August 3, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Vigil, My implication did not register with you, or you assume that there are only two classes in this regards-heterosexual and homosexual. That is not the case. Of nine first cousins, three married Armenans, including myself, three married Jews, one married an Assyrian and two married other Europeans. All three who married Armenians got divorced. My brother got divorced from his Jewish wife and married a Portuguese. The other are all still married. There are many Jews and their ges-ou-ges children in my family. We are one with them and they are one with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Amerikanski, if you think that there is anyone who do not know your family history you are wrong. The whole Universe knows. Stop it for Christ sake. I'm sick and tired of reading idiotic posts, not that I'm obliged, but since the thread is "What is Armenian", if you are Armenian, I'm Eskimo! And Vigil, go get a boyfriend/girlfriend. If you can't just go and take cold shower! Off Be, askan abush joghovurt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 And Vigil, go get a boyfriend/girlfriend. If you can't just go and take cold shower! Or maybe order himself online a toy. I understand some companies deliver everywhere in the world and some not, but always included in scrollbars is the Vatican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 (edited) And Vigil, go get a boyfriend/girlfriend. If you can't just go and take cold shower! Gamavor, now, you have the bigger "penis". /clap Or maybe order himself online a toy. I understand some companies deliver everywhere in the world and some not, but always included in scrollbars is the Vatican. I bet you would know. Why don't you take your own advice and sit on one and rotate. Edited August 4, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Folks, please, there is no need for getting personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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