shiner Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 Does anybody have any theories as to when communism will end in China? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 (edited) Does anybody have any theories as to when communism will end in China? That's basically the theme of my paper now. I think they're slowly moving in that direction. Slowly enough not to harm the fragile stability of their huge population. I also think they will change their system to some kind of quasi-democratic one in 15-20 years, when their domestic market capitalisation reaches sufficient level, so that they can be independent in terms of foreign policy. They have already introduced local elections in villages and townships but only as experimantal projects. Morevoer, in July 2001 business owners (capitalists?) were allowed to join the Communist party. This shows that they are going to reform the party in the future. Besides, the Chinese parliament is discussing the introdution of private property legislation as we speak. Edited June 6, 2004 by ArmenSarg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Does anybody have any theories as to when communism will end in China? When the Chinese finally realize that for too long they ate only the garnish. Courtesy of Radio Yerevan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Does anybody have any theories as to when communism will end in China? Who told you China was communist? She may be a lot of -isms like Maoist and whatever else, but when is the last time they described themselves as communist? The call their country Peoples' Republic. No one has has called them Communist China or Red China as the custom was some years ago. We and the world media just refer to them as CHINA, we don't even qualify that to distinguish between Taiwan. They had many ideological disputes with Moscow as to which was the real "communist", yet today there are more millionaires in Beijing than there are in Belgium. Go to your favorite Walmart type store and read the labels and see how many trinkets are made in China. Wait till they start making cars and other high ticket items and you can kiss goodbye Tokyo and Topeka. Btw. What does "communist" mean? Have you asked a Chinese that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 (edited) That oxymoronic statement "socialist market system" did a lot of good in my opinion. To undertake a slow and gradual transitional period towards a market system without resorting to cutthroat capitalism in a large and complex country like China is an achievement in itself. The implosion of Russia after the collapse of communism should be a grim reminder of what happens to a country that degrades into that sort of chaos. I think that this process is moving China towards a representative form of government in the distant future. If I'm not mistaken the former president of China Jiang Zemin already outlined the vision of the Communist party that China will become a democratic country in 25-30 years time. Only a benevolent autocratic government can rapidly move society forward and be a catalyst for change and economic progress. This is in stark contrat to India, which despite its democratic principles didn't move an inch forward economically and still wallows in its social ills. The successes of Singapore, Malaysia and South Korea are a good example of benevolent and fastidious stewardship of a country in the right direction. No one thinks of Taiwan when we talk of China, even though they still like to use the label "Republic of China". Well they don't deserve that label anyways, since because of them one billion Chinese weren't even represented in the UN. Which only helps to show what a sham organization the UN really is. Not only that but like their cousins on the mainland the Taiwanese have succesfully hijacked another territory which originally belonged to another, the Formosan people. Edited June 7, 2004 by Nakharar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 When the Chinese finally realize that for too long they ate only the garnish. Courtesy of Radio Yerevan I am afraid that Communism will never end, it's like a never ending plague. As long as there are economically "deficient" countries out there Communism ideology will be like a vicious vulture circulating around poverty stricken environments looking for a desperate and gullible prey. As for China it's already gaining its corporate image and soon enough, they will realize that it's more beneficial for their growing wealth, to switch to capitalism. As long as economy is in a good condition it is safe from a Communist infiltration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Communism in its truest sense of the word doesn't exist if it ever did in the first place. It's easy for me to say as I have never lived in a communist country. But I'm more worried about excessive capitalism. Maybe it won't consume itself as socialists love to predict, but the costs are getting too high with globalization taking place. The most dangerous thing to befall capitalism is the hegemony of the United States and its worldview. Their squandering of natural resources should be very worrying in itself. Not to mention the globalization of societies who have no defense mechanism to preserve their culture. But the most worrying aspect is that the United States has become a world onto itself and the lack and total disinterest of the American public to grasp that their actions wield enormous influence around the world which has to take the brunt of these actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Nakharar, very well said indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 The most dangerous thing to befall capitalism is the hegemony of the United States and its worldview. Their squandering of natural resources should be very worrying in itself. Not to mention the globalization of societies who have no defense mechanism to preserve their culture. But the most worrying aspect is that the United States has become a world onto itself and the lack and total disinterest of the American public to grasp that their actions wield enormous influence around the world which has to take the brunt of these actions. Defending America is not my normal activity - but when someone in a thread about China accuses the US of being "a world unto itself" then things have gone too far! China is by far the most self-centered, self obsessed, and self-engrossed nation on this planet. In fact the word "nation" is not appropriate here, since it implies that the Chinese even consider that there are other nations in the world besides themselves. Compared to China, America is the very definition of openness, consideration, and civilisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 I am afraid that Communism will never end, it's like a never ending plague. As long as there are economically "deficient" countries out there Communism ideology will be like a vicious vulture circulating around poverty stricken environments looking for a desperate and gullible prey. As for China it's already gaining its corporate image and soon enough, they will realize that it's more beneficial for their growing wealth, to switch to capitalism. As long as economy is in a good condition it is safe from a Communist infiltration. Anileve still checks under her bed every night in case a plague of those pesky Reds have come searching for more gullible prey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 As I see it, at this time the only difference between China and the US, is that the former is a one-party state and the latter a two-party state - both capitalist. Considering that both Democrat and Republican foreign policy fundametally are one and the same, to any outsider it seems that the US is also a one-party state. So what was the difference again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 China, if anything is an oxymoron. It's "Communist revolution" has run out of steam. China has a system that is hybrid, with strong residues of communistic dogmatism in the industrial sectors and in the State bureaucracy coexisting uneasily with a capitalist entrepreneurship driven by foreign investment. This hybridization cannot last long, for as the two sectors grow more and more distant there will be significant changes within the government itself. Clearly it is not following the perilous road of the Russians in the hasty and sloppy "reforms". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 I never said that China isn't one itself. Their self-love probably stems from the time when they were the "Middle Empire" with no nation looming around who could even remotely match them. You can't really compare a nation-state with the US. The US is a world onto itself, but it doesn't mean that they are a closed entity. Luckily for them they get the best and the brightest from all over the world to project their power and influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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