Post script Armenian fonts

[nairi]

What does post script mean? I have fonts for wordprocessing.

[Sip]

http://moon.yerphi.am/Free/Fonts/ArmenianTEX.zip

 

That zip contains a whole bunch of fonts to be used in TeX/LaTex. Not sure if that's what you are looking for since I have never used a mac

 

You are probably the only mac "guy" out there

 

If you search for "postscript armenian font" on google, about 1400+ links come up so I'm sure you'll be able to find something there. Unfortunately, I can't be of more help in this case

 

Dear Nairi: PostScript is the name of a language which was defined and is owned (I believe) by Adobe. It is intended to be used to describe a "document" that can be printed on highquality printers ... It has become a very popular standard with the most sophisticated desktop publishing crowd. So most likely, the document which you create in your word processor, is converted to PostScript and then sent to a printer to be printed. It is not easy to create postscripts directly by typing it in since it's not a very human friendly language Therefore, one almost always relies on a tool of some sort to create postscript documents (such as a word processor). PostScript files usually have the ".ps" extension.

 

Let me know if you need more details on how it works.

[nairi]

Thanks Sip, but I'm still not sure if my fonts will help Vava. Vava jan, let me know. Oh and welcome to HF!

[Guest Fadi]

Vava, unfortunitally for you, you have no many choices, they charge you for such things.

 

You can still have this.

 

http://www.editum.com.ar/mashtots/html/mac_osr.html

 

Very basic, but it still does the work, but its not postscript.

 

Have you the MacOS X ? If yes, has it an incorporated Armenian basic font in it ? If I am not mistaken it has.

 

As for the only MAC guy, I'm an ex-mac guy.

[Azat]

Ahhhhhh, that explains everything.

[Guest Fadi]

O.K I admit, I am an ex-Mac-hoolic, I have tried to hide that, but the truth always finish explosing in my face.

 

Vava ! Never do my mistake, never leave the good side for the dark PC side, Are you listening !!! Never ! Be the MAC upon you, keep fate upon the MAC, trust the MAC...

 

And never be like me, never be embarassed to show your fate for the MAC, never... never... never... !!! Are you listening, don't listen to Harut, Sip, Azat, Garo, those on the Dark PC side. Remember, those days with hypercard, Syperstudio, those days, when Photoshop was only on MAC platform, and you were laughing to see PCists with their Windows 3.1, trying to find any similair program, or their tuuu...tiii... sound cards music and our true 8 bit output ... :-)

 

The Windows may look like a MAC now, but it is not, don't trust the devil trying to imitate the MAC, or you'll burn in PC.

 

[ November 17, 2002, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]

[Sip]

Sure, a plastic knife is much more "user friendly" and safe than a sharp swiss army knife with 20 different attachments. You also probably won't hurt yourself too seriously with a plastic knife. If it's a plastic knife that you want for only cutting a birthday cake, go for it ... have your MAC You'll love it.

[vava]

Easy Sip... you're steppin' on some toes here.

 

1 - you may be happy with your PC, but THOUSANDS of users are not - especially neophytes who just want to email/surf, and then end up getting virus after virus, problem after problem, crash after crash. (BTW, I'm not talking Win2K, or any 'enterprise edition' of Windows - I'm talking the regular graden variety windows sold Joe Blow & his wife) The point is, it takes the level of education that you have acquired (or close to it) to be able to successfully run windows without trouble from time to time. Ordinary users could have that level of satisfication off the shelf with MacOS.

 

2 - Case study: My G4 at the office running OSX jaguar has been crash proof for the last 107 days. (I installed it 112 days ago) How about your windows machine?

 

3 - There's plenty of very sharp knives on a swiss army mac - you just have to know where to look. Networking? Never been easier on a Mac. Security? I think I can count all the hacks/viruses targeting Macs on my hands.

 

4 - I'm actually running Linux right now - not as user friendly, so I wouldn't recommend for average users, but it's coming along. One day. Anything is better than my windows machine. Anything. The only reason I still own windows is cause my clients use it.

 

Nairi: Thanks for the welcome. And thanks for the font offer, but I have plenty for my PC. There just don't seem to be many avalable for Macs.

 

Domino: Thanks for the link - the fonts are basic, and don't look too pretty, but hey they work. And I do remember the good old days - I still have a Mac Classic 2 kicking around. It still works, but I think it's got something like a 40Mb Hard Drive! It's too bad you converted.

 

I acknowledge the fact that windows has progressed considerably, especially with it's GUI, but if there hadn't been any Macs, we would still be using computers with terminal interfaces.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Sip]

Don't you wonder where your precious MAC got the idea of the mouse and the "GUI"? Almost all these cool ideas originated from Xerox PARC!!!

 

It is certainly true that windows took a long time to get to where it is, but after Win 2K (after they switched to NT basically), I think Microsoft has become more superior than anything Appple or anyone else has ever offered in terms of Operating Systems. I can't remember the last time my PC has crashed. The one at UCLA has been running for about 18 months straight, side-by-side with my Sun Ultra 5 Solaris workstation. The home one, I keep turning on-and-off everyday. My laptop running XP, I keep hybernating on-and-off which means it goes for weeks before I actually reset it. NO CRASHES! No viruses, no problems ... just awesome, almost trouble free computing (as a user).

 

The problem people have with PCs is that they try to do too much. They buy a PC, then want to add all sorts of peripherals, scanners, printers, digital cameras, and run 100 different games with different controlers and 5.1 surround sound while getting MAXIMUM frame rates and performance.

 

Try to do that with a MAC, and you will also run into trouble. It's not that the current "PC" operating systems or hardware are flawed ... NO, I think the majority of problems come from sub-standard 3-rd party "add-ons". This was a HUGE headache before, now, Microsoft is slowly getting a grasp on it and preventing stupid programmers of add-on drivers/components/software from crashing their OS (which they should prevent anyway!).

 

The advantage that MAC had, was that they strictly controlled EVERYTHING. That's why you didn't see too many "extras" being sold for macs, and of course that way they can gurantee much higher compatibility levels and reduce chances of crashes.

 

But, I guess it is apparent how horribly the MAC strategy worked, and how hugely the PC market is dominating everything now ... even with the crappy history which many wrongly attributed to substandard Microsoft products. It's like going and adding a crappy intake system to your car, and then when the engine dies, you blame the car manufacturer for the problem caused by YOUR modifications!!!

 

Win XP is a great piece of software. I had high hopes with linux but it's not going to get anywhere close to what's being offered by Microsoft anytime soon. There's just no way when there is a company behind the product that had 8 billion in revenues just in the last quarter

 

A few years ago, there was reason to own a "MAC". The main thing was well, it doesn't crash. But now, that reason is not there anymore! The "virus" thing, it's just because it's not worth writing a virus for a MAC because only 2 people in the world would probably get it

 

ANY system has vulnerabilities. Don't think for a second your MAC is more secure!!!! You always have to watch out if you have important stuff. If your MAC was ultra secure, believe me, many companies would have switched to it as their server solution long ago! OS X 10 is basically UNIX/Linux anyway, right? Don't be surprised if you soon see some amazing new flaws being discovered in Linux as it slowly becomes more mature and more complex. You know what's Linux's weakness here? The source code is available.

 

[ November 17, 2002, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

[Sip]

By the way, I didn't want to sound like Microsoft or PC hardware components have NO flaws ... NO actually quite the opposite. Did you hear about the very widely publicized Pentium FDIV bug that they found in the floating point division part a few years ago?

 

Well, they have found THOUSANDS of bugs in the original 8086 chip with more bugs still being discovered each year. This chip has been around for DECADES, is 1000s of times less complicated than a Pentium, and they are still finding tons of bugs in the design. We can't even begin to imagine how many bugs just the original Pentium has.

 

Same thing applies to ANY chip (even the PowerPC). Hardware bugs are a fact of life and usually software has to deal with it!

 

Don't even get me started on software bugs though They are often much much more and much much worse. (but much much easier to fix as well).

 

[ November 17, 2002, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

[Guest Fadi]

Sip, I agree with most of what you said, but the superiority of the MAC is not where vava point it out to be.

 

You can not compare a MAC with a PC, as a product the MAC is like an expensive car, that you should pay more attention then a ford or a chrystler...

 

The Adventages of the MACs are more based on innovation and as a try platform then anything else.

 

1- The Firewire technology was developped on MAC, the fastest interface, it's this technology that was one of the responsable factors of the intruduction of the USB2 interface.

 

Firewire is a standard on a MAC now, SCSI was a standard on the MACs, I had it on my old 68040 MAC. It was also the ADB MAC connection, that had to do with the PC mouse and Keyboard connection, while before the Keyboard one sounded like the First generation In/out MIDI interfaces, and the mouses, a parallel port type. The 3.5" disks, were finally introduced as standards thanks to the MACs and the First generation of Mac, the Classic, the sound interface on a PC, with a true in and out 8 bit echantionage for the common user was also made possible by Apply computer. The Graphic interface, and the first standard 512 Kb non-parity Video mem. were as well firstly introduced as standards on MACs, followed by the 1 MB, permiting the 32768 color repduction, while the standard PC was still comming with 256 color intervace system.

 

Apple reinvented the concept of personal computers, yes Xerox had the idea of the mouses, that Apple was the first one trying it on a personal computer as a standard tool, while Xerox had no worthy exploitation system with the interface needed to present it as a standard.

 

All the Windows conception, even the folders, the trash can, all the product of years of works by Apple that gave the computer that we have now, Sip the least you can do is to show some respect to Apple, without its existance probably many of the inovations now standards would still be science fiction. Apple was always open to innovation, the first RISC processors on personal computers were also tried on the MAC, all the softwares rewriten from the core to be compatible, while the PC still sticking with the worlds worst design the X86, and I hope you'll agree with me on that. :-)

 

My Windows XP, is the most stable system I had, yes ! I does not crash, and I am happy that once Microsoft has done a product that I really like, but apple once again innoved, with its OSX, with a part of its core open, like Linux, OSX has been inspired by Linux, all the system has been compleatly re-writen, and anyone are surprised the way it can imulate other MAC programs non-native to OSX, what great innovation has Microsoft provided ? Give me an example.

 

Apple should be viewed as what it is, a compagny that make the world of computer evolve, and it is a fact that only 5 % of the world computer users are MAC's, its as well a fact that not everyone uses an Audi car, you may found cheap cars with more horse powers etc... but it is on those expensive cars that new technologies are tried, and it is those tests that makes the world of cars move.

 

[ November 17, 2002, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]

[vava]

This could get LONG...

 

But I will save ourselves a lot of time/toil/trouble/typing: I agree with many of your points. And Sip, you SHOULD be right, after all you're the compsci major, right? I would like to respond however, because the main thrust of my argument is that the AVERAGE user would be much better off with a Mac.

 

And yes, I do remember Xerox PARC - too bad those fools decided not to comercialise their developments! then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

I agree that win2K is pretty crash proof. It's been long time coming, non? But what service pack are they at now? SP3? SP4? And they'll keep issuing them at a furious pace to correct the 'flaws' exposed in their program. Plus IIS server has had inumerable problems...

 

But again, these OSes are not commonly used by the average user. They are used as file servers, web servers, and development machines. Previous versions destined for home use, let's see win 95, win98, winME, Hmmm... were those pretty crash proof also? That's what you're average home user is working with...and that's why there's so much anti-MS frustration out there.

 

If we leave the gamers out, most people use their PC for wordprocessing, surfing the web/email, and very common, very simple applications. Contrary to your point, the average user is quite a novice, and doesn't attempt 18 million things at once. Actually, research finds that a slight majority of home users are afraid of installing applications found on the web (ie. realplayer)for fear of 'ruining' their system.

 

As for third-party software... well, as Microsoft buys all the third party developers, there won't BE any third party software. Less competition, fewer new tools, fewer innovations, and fewer options for you & me. Go Microsoft.

 

And if you're car's manufacturer tells you, (as a matter of fact, advertises it in your face) that the alternate intake system will work like a charm. Can you blame the manufacturer then? I would.

 

But I do concede that marketing/distribution wise, MS can run circles around Apple. The $8 billion/year in revenue will probably be enough to make that trend continue. The good news is, Apple market share is up - the company is in fairly good financial shape (and no where near where they were 6-7 years ago when they nearly went extinct!), and they have a core group of users that will never buy a windows machine.

 

The reasons to own a Mac today are plenty. Simplicity, ease-of-use, solidity, and the just plain 'cool' factor. You don't need to be a computer geek (err, guru) to be able to use one optimally.

 

I, for one, think that it's good to have alternatives.

 

[ November 17, 2002, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: vava ]

[vava]

Domino, what don't you know? I'm very impressed!

[Sip]

There is NO doubt that Apple has had a great history and strong influence in the development of the "Personal Computer" ... YES, a "MAC" is a "PC" too

 

But as far as I am concerend, they are a dead company

 

Just in chips, intel, AMD, and Transmetta are really at the cutting edge while IBM, Apple, and Motorolla seem to have pretty much abandoned the PowerPC

 

The PowerPC and "RISC" in general is a great design philosophy, but I wouldn't say CISC is nesessarily worse either.

 

By the way, the 1394 (Firewire), I LOVE IT. I wish it would become a standard instead of this stupid USB we had ... now they have USB 2 but it's too little too late. I think Wireless will put all those to shame very soon (Ultra WideBand and BlueTooth being the two main buzzwords).

[vava]

I'm actually really excited about the Tranmeta chips. I've seen it used on a Fujistsu sub-note. Truly a wonderful machine. I think they're having trouble with it heating up, no?

[Sip]

Vava, that was 8 billion in the last QUARTER!!! (I think, ballpark wise I am close)

 

You are also definitely right that current "high-end" PCs, are much more than any novice (or average) user needs, with the exception of the gamers. So I am very sure that the "PC" will change drastically in the next few years. The directions in the "state of the art" seem to be towards "ubiquitous" and "pervasive" computing. Basically, sticking a processor everywhere around you, and make those "computers" more pro-active. The "PC" of today, will most likely become more appliance like in the house of the few years from now with very different philosophies than what we see.

 

The other thing is, you have several computers which you are interacting with now, and that is slowly becoming a HUGE pain in the you know where (processors per person increasing). Slowly, that's going to change and you are going to interact with maybe one or two interfaces that in turn interact with all your other computers (cel, pda, laptop, "PCs", tv/satellite/cable, etc.)

 

But for now, if you just want to do word processing, email, and browsing, either a MAC or a "Windows" PC will do just fine as of now. A Windows PC however has a lot more room to grow as I suspect most users will want to do. Some just want to stay the same, but the majority will want to GROW

 

By the way, you are right ... it is amazing how Apple changed completely from certain death to becoming a "live" company ... when I said "dead" I meant in terms of being on the cutting edge of technology, as they once were.

[Sip]

Transmeta's Crusoe is an interesting design. Theoretically, they can achieve very low power consumption but that eneded up not being so true in real life.

 

What they do, is that they have this "translation" layer which in real-time converts the x86 instructions to their VLIW (I think) architecture which can run several instructions in parallel. Once converted, they can run very efficiently and do some cool stuff. However, it turns out that the translation layer ads a lot of overhead and basically cancles all their gains in performance/power.

 

Their idea was to use caches to save translated parts of x86 code, since many parts of a program run over and over (so they don't have to translate again). Well, at least for current benchmarks, that doesn't seem to work too well, although that may work great in real life. I am not sure at the moment.

 

So I think they still have a lot of work to do but is certainly promising as another "alternative". Unfortunately, they must be compatible with x86 and windows, otherwise they have no chance to succeed.

 

The only transmetta-chip "PC" I have played with in person has been the Sony Picture-book. It's an AWESOME toy

[vava]

 

That's more than the entire GDP of several small countries! What do you do with that kind of cash-flow????

 

[ November 17, 2002, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: vava ]

[Azat]

True. great stuff came out of Parc labs including the GUI, Mouse, Ethernet and more.

 

OS X is actually Free BSD and there are many hacks and holes in BSD. Actually OS X has MANY more holes than does XP, but when kids are writing viruses and hacking machines they tend to spend on the type that is going to infect the most number of machines that they can thus Windows PC followed by UNIX machines are hacked the most.

 

I think if the MAC was SO much more superior to the PC the market would have followed the MAC and not the PC. Why do you think huge corporations install exclusively PC vs MAC. If MAC is so secure and easy to use and stable and this and that, why would huge corps not have a bigger effort to train and move their organizations to the MAC. God knows they spend lots of time and effort and money fixing PC crap?

[Azat]

Just in case you wanted to see the latest comparison between the 2 high end machines.

 

Mac vs. PC III

-Dell Precision Workstation 350, Intel P4 3.06 GHz, 1GB PC1066 RDRAM costing $2964(not the fastest Dell PCs in the market)

 

-Apple Power Mac G4 Dual 1.25GHz with 1GB DDR RAM which cost a whopping $3,949, ooch!

 

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11..._macvspciii.htm

[Azat]

Bill Gates put in 1 billion dollars and that infusion of money helped them recover. Plus MS continued to produce MS Office for Apple which helped some companies to justify having a MAC in the office.

[vava]

Does anyone have any Post script Armenian fonts that can be used on a MAC? I've been able to find plenty of TrueType fonts for PC as well as the windows Armenian language support & keyboard driver, but nothing for the MAC. Anyone? Or am I the only Mac guy out here??

 

Thanks!

[Guest Fadi]

Azat, never wonder why Bill Gates helped them to recover ? Because they know they own Apple so much, if we followed the Machintosh world for long, you'll see that Apple was considering sueing Microsoft for the Windows system, because the MAC os, WAS copyrighted.

 

It is true that the OS X, has many flaws, but hey, when has Microsoft ever completly re-writen its OS ? As for the prize you know you can not compare prizes like this, because Apple has no control over everything, the Power PC 4, is starting to get old, and IBM and Motoralla had many conflicts, and both decided to work independently, the Power PC 5 that was supposed to be released still is not, and you know that the prize of a computer is based on the market and the production prizes, more production capabilities and the prize drop. Years ago, when apple decided to sell copyrights, many clones took life, even Motorala started making clones, the prizes of the MACs droped considerably, at that time, an equivalent IBM BC compared with a Motorala MACOS platform worthed the same prize.

 

As for why compagnies don't decide to move for the MAC OS, first of all, they have little choises for their servers, secondly, the near only real problem with a MAC, was the most important think for compagnies, the memory protection, before the MAC OS X, a MACOS memory protection was worst then Windows 95.

 

Azat, have you worked in any softwares for the MAC ? Not as a coversion programmed in C, but with native MACOS, software production programs like Hypercart, those programs are very old, in time times, where the Windows 3.1 came to light, how is the intergration of Borlan or any other program with Windows, I mean a direct integration, I had hard time learning the bases of C++, and the only thing I could come with were adress books, opening in a DOS scence, how many more work it takes ?

 

Hypercard was the kind, with my basic knowledge of its languages, I was able to program little games, softwares, with direct extension with keyboard options, how many years it took microsoft or any other compagny to come up with such products, not for the professionals, but for "idiot" like me that wanted only to present a work, without studying a book of a thousand pages ?

 

If you want to study the superiority of a MAC vs PC, you are looking at the wrong place, its true that the PC has won the battle, its true that I know nothing better then my Windows XP, that I finally was able to stabilise, that it did not crashed from the day I found from where the problem came from. And guess what, my professor info in my university, is a Linux and PC user, and he admited that what Apple has done for the computer is something that no other compagnies will be able to do, and he said that the best OS and the most user friendly was the MAC, you know what it created ? A war in the class, a war of one hour, while there was one MAC user in the class, then the Prof was tired of all this, he took the rest of the course, to explain the MAC architecture and why it was better then the PC, I wished to record that moment. :-)

 

BTWm Sip, wireless technology has been as well firstly tried as a standard on the MAC

[Azat]

Couple of minor corrections Domino.

 

Uncle Bill(I call him that in hope that someday he will throw some change my way. lets not talk about the chances of that happening.) threw a billion at Apple in hope that Apple survives not for it's innovations and all that but because he knew if Apple survived he could sell Office to Apple users as well. And over the next 5+ years he would get his money back. He(MS) also got lots of Apple stock at bargain basement prices at that time as part of their investment. Guess what happened to Apple stock few months after the investment and Jobs return?

 

I unfortunately have not done any work on the MAC. I use to play(use) one once in a while few years back(7-8 years now) but it has been a while.

 

I actually do think that the MAC GUI is to this day superior to that of Windows. I have nothing against the MAC except I feel that NT4, W2K and XP are more powerful operating systems.

[Sip]

The reason I hybernate is because my laptop's default settings makes it wake up and hybernate after 30 mins of being in stand-by. The problem is that I have been too lazy to go back and change that setting so I just hybernate (actually, I didn't think about it much)

 

... and plus as you said, the fact that it is completely OFF and no power gets wasted because sometimes I don't use that laptop for days (it's a problem when you have 2 main laptops and 2 main PC workstations ... you just don't have time to pay attention to all of them, all the time ... if they are in "standby", they may get mad at you)