Is Violence Cool?

[axel]

Actually I suppose this was all masterminded by Stormig to serve as a dissuasive illustration of what verbal violence may actually lead to: "Forum environmentalist" Sasun's pacifying intervention. Quite an awful perspective indeed considering her aversion towards ecologists.

[Sasun]

I tend to disagree Sasun,German,european, economies were in bad shape before ww2 and this fact alone was a justification enough for Nazis to start ww2 weather logical or not.I am talking more in terms of rejuvinating aspects of post war realities.There is great amount of evidance to support it.

Well, yes, as soon as war ends there is rejuvenation. It is the same with illness, as soon as illness is cured rejuvenation starts. But was the illness necessary to be healthy? That is the question.

In case of the economies, who is to say that had there not been WW2 the European economies would not be growing. It is more likely that without the tremendous human and material losses caused by the war Europe would have a better economy in the post-1945 period. The economy was not in good shape before the war, but at the end of the war it was much worse. So they had to start from a much lower base than before.

[sev-mard]

Sex and Violence two of the most base human activities involving other humans. They are instinctual as well, and maybe that's why it's so fascinating to all the denizens of the planet. And many times they blur and cross, sex and violence. So there will never be a time that we dont' have people participating in them, or actively watching them. I think it takes more "energy" to be peaceful in this world, seeing as the average Joe next to you is not in control of himself and will force you to eventually go up side his head.

Many ppl are drawn to violence and of course via games and movies and especially the news we are becoming less and less affected by violence. So in the end this may lead to more and more violence but then again it already does and has.

[Stormig]

Actually I suppose this was all masterminded by Stormig to serve as a dissuasive illustration of what verbal violence may actually lead to: "Forum environmentalist" Sasun's pacifying intervention. Quite an awful perspective indeed considering her aversion towards ecologists.

Stop talking through the other end of your alimentary canal, you heard Sasun.

[Stormig]

Sex and Violence two of the most base human activities involving other humans. They are instinctual as well, and maybe that's why it's so fascinating to all the denizens of the planet. And many times they blur and cross, sex and violence. So there will never be a time that we dont' have people participating in them, or actively watching them. I think it takes more "energy" to be peaceful in this world, seeing as the average Joe next to you is not in control of himself and will force you to eventually go up side his head.

Many ppl are drawn to violence and of course via games and movies and especially the news we are becoming less and less affected by violence. So in the end this may lead to more and more violence but then again it already does and has.

The instinct to compete and succeed, perhaps?

[sev-mard]

It could be seen in that way. I'm also speaking more from a male perspective as well. Sex and Violence are definately at the forefront instinctively dghamarder hamar.

[Armat]

The instinct to compete and succeed, perhaps?

Those can be done without violence as in Taiwan, Japan very competitive societies but little violence in proportion to their population size.

I think this is more of an American culture or lack of it that violence substitute rational alternatives.

Think also about Bush's approach to Iraq-very violent and it did not have to be that way.

What can US export other then violence and consumerism and more consumerism mediocre base for healthy society.

[sev-mard]

Those can be done without violence as in Taiwan, Japan very competitive societies but little violence in proportion to their population size.

I don't know about Taiwan, but I've lived in and studied Japan for years. The amount of suicides(self violence) and sexual perversion are obsencely high. You'd be shocked. There is also a lot of undercurrent violence, not crime as we imagine, but numerous hazing deaths in schools, abuse of the elderly, girls being conscripted into prostitution by other underage girls?! Humanity can't help itself, it may not be overt like in America, but that violent nature does seep out.

[sev-mard]

I think this is more of an American culture or lack of it that violence substitute rational alternatives.

 

I do wholeheartedly agree with this however. We have a "Culture of Violence" here in America that is very strong. I think media has a big part in it. Many times by over publicising criminal and violent activity I believe that the media gives ideas to people who were on the fence, but when given so much access to the deeds of other killers and violent people, they have so many new ideas for their own works.

[Stormig]

Those can be done without violence as in Taiwan, Japan very competitive societies but little violence in proportion to their population size.

I think this is more of an American culture or lack of it that violence substitute rational alternatives.

Think also about Bush's approach to Iraq-very violent and it did not have to be that way.

What can US export other then violence and consumerism and more consumerism mediocre base for healthy society.

Oh my gosh, you can't be serious about Taiwan!! Have you not seen them quarrelling in their parliament, resorting to physical violence, men and women alike? I've seen it on TV.

[sev-mard]

[Sasun]

I would like to put it simply - violence is an animal instinct, and like every other animal instinct it is bad for us evolved human beings.

[Armat]

Oh my gosh, you can't be serious about Taiwan!! Have you not seen them quarrelling in their parliament, resorting to physical violence, men and women alike? I've seen it on TV.

You know what I meant-scale of violance.US has probably more prisoners in jails then any orther developed nations.

[Bakersfieldian]

You know what I meant-scale of violance.US has probably more prisoners in jails then any orther developed nations.

and more by the day.

I'ts big business.

 

Report: 1 of Every 75 U.S. Men in Prison

[Sip]

... gagsta Rap ...

Armat I think you're on to something with that ... since it's a very proper term for it because I also tend to gag when I hear gangsta rap sometimes.

[sev-mard]

No this is not a joke. Notice in American colture violence sells more tickets, books, cds and one would think it should be other way around.

Young kids rather imitate gagsta Rap then its peaceful positive alternatives. Are we going down the drain as a civilization?

 

This is more a philosophy topic then theology but nowhere to post hence here.

You'd have to examine the "type" of violence I guess as well. For example the sure volume of wars that take place on non-american soil. The death squads, coups, public execution, cruel dictators. In some respects the world outside of America can be seen as more violent. Yet we have the most serial killers, a gargantuan prison population and a gun culture that is out of control.

 

There are people getting killed daily overseas via war, and coups and the like. But we have the greatest volume of "everyday" killers hands down. American can and will go "postal" at any minute, and if you make a movie or t.v. show about it, all those people who are terrified of such violence, would tune right in. <_<

[THOTH]

The capacity for violence is ingrained into all of us...its only through the application of rational thought (and ultimatly self interest - what goes around comes around sort of thing) that prevents many of us succumbing to such base responses. That there is so much violence in media/entertainment etc - in our country - and even elsewhere -and through history - is really - I think - somewhat of a (safe) outlet for this sort of thing...of course much spills over into our greater culture due to or perhaps in spite of these outlets....

[Armat]

The capacity for violence is ingrained into all of us...its only through the application of rational thought (and ultimatly self interest - what goes around comes around sort of thing) that prevents many of us succumbing to such base responses. That there is so much violence in media/entertainment etc - in our country - and even elsewhere -and through history - is really - I think - somewhat of a (safe) outlet for this sort of thing...of course much spills over into our greater culture due to or perhaps in spite of these outlets....

Thoth

the safe outlet you are referring is culturally conditioned and a poor excuse for producers of these kinds of violence, which they pry on human basic fears. In Scandinavian countries they are no outlets since they got no need to begin with.

You got to wander why teenagers would go to school with automatic weapons and kill their classmates and teachers and it is absurd that in developed country like US high school kids got to go through metal detectors. What does that tell kids about themselves?

I believe violence like sex is pretty much has been used in this country like Steve pointed out to sell products but the public is not bunch of bricks they do get influence. That is my essential point that violence is there under our skin but it does not have to manifest in civilized society unless it becomes a driving force to condition and brainwash public to flack their valets to buy the crap.

Edited May 28, 2004 by Armat

[THOTH]

soma...OK..yes...understood...

[ED]

I believe violence like sex is pretty much has been used in this country like Steve pointed out to sell products but the public is not bunch of bricks they do get influence. That is my essential point that violence is there under our skin but it does not have to manifest in civilized society unless it becomes a driving force to condition and brainwash public to flack their valets to buy the crap.

Unfortunate, but this is a age old reality human kind has faced over its existence, gradually and thru times concept of what old Greek idea of democracy had been manipulated over the times just like the holly books, but its a mystery however how human mind can develop and "progress" over times giving the total freedom, in this case the under the umbrella of "democracy" to thrive. Man kind intend to head just for the opposite direction, speaking of violence, and what or how much man kind is capable of, look thru the centuries of its existence and there is no shortage of "creativity"

 

I remember seeing “bowling for columbine” I wish this was made by someone else, however, attitude of its government does reflect the attitude of its people (in this case violence in USA). I ask you, do you think government and religious public figures like Jerry farTwell, who goes on 60 minutes and makes a statement such as “Islam is a religion of terror and Mohamed was a terrorist” is helping for a gentler Nation? Less violent Nation? Collective and organized Violence in the name of what? Humanity? God! And same can be said about radicals of every religion. That’s what it is, the good old God, Allah, Buddha, who has been used and God is continues to be used as a weapon, 70 million of evangelical Christians in this country are supportive of such a violent statement by this man, and you tell me if this has positive affect as far as reducing violence here in a USA, personally this kind of brainwashing makes me sick to my stomach!!! As long as those voices who oppose and needs to be heard are continue to be silenced. We are governed by natural law after all, when there is a matter then there must be always antimatter for human survival.

[Stormig]

Unfortunate, but this is a age old reality human kind has faced over its existence, gradually and thru times concept of what old Greek idea of democracy had been manipulated over the times just like the holly books, but its a mystery however how human mind can develop and "progress" over times giving the total freedom, in this case the under the umbrella of "democracy" to thrive. Man kind intend to head just for the opposite direction, speaking of violence, and what or how much man kind is capable of, look thru the centuries of its existence and there is no shortage of "creativity"

That's probably because our programming hasn't caught up with our evolution. Courtesy of Dr. Robert Winston.

As for the other remark, about making remarks about Islam and Mohammad, inasmuch as they contain references to violence, I don't think it has as much to do with violence as it might seem - it's just stupidity and some smart eshes exploiting that stupidity. Here, violence is not a means but a tool. But I hear ya, it is sure exploited.

[axel]

is not a means but a tool.

 

Could you explain the difference?

[Stormig]

Sorry, I should have said not an end.

[Anonymouse]

Is Violence Cool?

Very much so, especially against cats. God forgives that.