Armat Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7AB...0055C58A4BD.htm Turkey is planning to send their present military hardware to Azerbaijan and they want to purchase new Hardware from Israel. Any corrosion on Israeli-Turkish relations is good news for Armenia. I wonder now what the Jewish spin doctors would do now.Award Erdogan with another doctorate degree? Erdogan is doing great PR for Armenians for free.Thanks and I hope you cancel those contracts as well. Edited March 25, 2004 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Will there be even a peep out of Israel about Turkey's "elephant in the room" minority problems, beginning with the Genocide right up to the present day. I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Amerikanski....how about this?! AZERBAIJAN ISRAEL TRAINING AND ARMING MUSLIMS? According to a report datelined Baku and published by the Italian-based Third World oriented press service IPS, Israel is selling stinger missiles to Azerbaijan and Israeli intelligence specialist David Kimche and American Irangate-Contragate figure Richard Secord, along with Israeli secret service personnel, recently visited the country. http://www.intelligenceonline.com/ps/AN/Arch/INT/INT_202.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 What do you expect, they are allies? Plus Israel wants their oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArmo Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) What do you expect, they are allies? Plus Israel wants their oil. Behold our real archenemy has been revealed, Did you really think Israel will allow Armenians to gain American support or gain recognition or heartfelt sympathy on AG? Nope, They will do everything in their power to derail our efforts and lobby against Armenian causes, Also they are credited for adding fuel to a volatile cease fire. They are shrewder then one might except, I say we can play their game and win. Armenians answer the Call ! Edited May 2, 2004 by MadArmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 There is another dark secret which reinforces this behaviour on the part of the conservative Israelis. They know that some of the leading Ittihadists who planned the Genocide were Doenmeh (Jews who had taken on a mantle of Islam). The archenemy of Armenians are not Jews in general but the Likud. Must I remind you of Yossi Sarid, Yossi Beilin, Yair Auron, Israel Charney, et al? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) There is another dark secret which reinforces this behaviour on the part of the conservative Israelis. They know that some of the leading Ittihadists who planned the Genocide were Doenmeh (Jews who had taken on a mantle of Islam). But at the very end does not the Jewish community in general benefit from the actions of these "few individuals"? Also, what then is the excuse of the Jewish Lobby? Are you telling me also that they represent another sect of Judaism? Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 The Jewish lobby is pursuing their interests, just as the Armenian lobby is pursuing our interests. Israelis have gotten involved with business deals with ROA Armenians for ventures in jewelry, et. al. If it serves their interests they will be our allies. We also have a common interest in the payment of unresolved life insurance policies. Surely you don't believe that Archbishopp Torkom Manoogian walking through Old Jerusalem arm-in-arm with Yasser Arafat does anything to improve Armenian-Israeli relations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) The Jewish lobby is pursuing their interests, just as the Armenian lobby is pursuing our interests. Israelis have gotten involved with business deals with ROA Armenians for ventures in jewelry, et. al. If it serves their interests they will be our allies. We also have a common interest in the payment of unresolved life insurance policies. I do not care what interest they have, but rather all I am pointing out is that the actions of the Jewish lobby directly represents the interests of the Jewish community. So, for a Jew to blame everything on the Zionists is a bit ironic, when in fact these same forces are what defends his interest as a Jew. Also, I do not care what Israel does as long as they do not get in the way of Armenian lobby, which just like Jewish lobby, defends the interests of Armenians domestically and abroad. Surely you don't believe that Archbishop Torkom Manoogian walking through Old Jerusalem arm-in-arm with Yasser Arafat does anything to improve Armenian-Israeli relations. Yes, he does, but his reason are far more justified than the stand the Israeli government has made towards the Armenian Genocide. If I am not mistaken, the very same man, Yasser Arafat, was the only official that represented the Armenian community in the Camp David Accord. If it was not for him we would have lost our quarter and rights in the holy city to the Israeli Government. With this being said, does Archbishop Torkom Manoogian deny the very obvious occurrence of a the systematic murder of 6.5 million Jews? Does he directly hold press conferences to defend the image of Germans by officially letting it be known that 6.5 million Jews died from diseases rather than a mass killing? No, he does not take part in these unjust crusades towards Jews, however, the same can not be said of the Israeli government, which continually uses their influence in the media to deny the very undeniable Armenian Genocide for their own gain while at the same time preach how important it is to recognize the significance of the holocaust, but fail to realize their misery could have been avoided if they Armenian Genocide was paid attention to. Alas, history is bound to repeat it self and has already because when Schindlers List was being over exposed helpless Rwandans were being butchered, when in fact the same forces that could have prevented the Armenian Genocide failed to do so when it counted in the future. Like I have said before, Jews can parade about how important the holocaust is to them, but as long as they deny the Armenian Genocide, they lose the very credibility of the importance of recognizing the holocaust. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Under the Camp David Accords, the Armenian Quarter would have been been adminstered by the Israeli government, being a part of Israel. It would have been treated by the Israelis the same way they treat Armenian facilities in Haifa or elsewhere in Israel. It would have remained an enclave for Armenians and a tourist mecca. I have been to Jerusalem, have you? The Israelis have placed plaques around the city, both in old Jerusalem and the new city to commemorate achievements and historic sites related to Armenians. I have seen all of this with my own eyes. Yes, Sharon set up residence in the Moslem Arab Quarter of Old Jerusalem as a irritant to the Moslems. I saw with my own eyes what the Palestinians had done to all the Jewish temples in Old Jerusalem's Jewish Quarter between 1947 and 1967, demolished them. I think that your views are very skewed. Why do you consider Israeli administration of the Armenian Quarter a LOSS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArmo Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Under the Camp David Accords, the Armenian Quarter would have been been adminstered by the Israeli government, being a part of Israel. It would have been treated by the Israelis the same way they treat Armenian facilities in Haifa or elsewhere in Israel. It would have remained an enclave for Armenians and a tourist mecca. I have been to Jerusalem, have you? The Israelis have placed plaques around the city, both in old Jerusalem and the new city to commemorate achievements and historic sites related to Armenians. I have seen all of this with my own eyes. Yes, Sharon set up residence in the Moslem Arab Quarter of Old Jerusalem as a irritant to the Moslems. I saw with my own eyes what the Palestinians had done to all the Jewish temples in Old Jerusalem's Jewish Quarter between 1947 and 1967, demolished them. I think that your views are very skewed. Why do you consider Israeli administration of the Armenian Quarter a LOSS? The Armenian issuse is a complicated one with them indeed, They shot an Armenian priest in the back to send a message to us, They took over Armenian church property to build a security wall to serve as a buffer zone. I can't understand why we have to be sympathetic for their sufferings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Do you mean the priest that was shot in Bethlehem? The Israelis apologized and said that it was an accident. Please state the facts as they are, not as you see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewish Friend Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 (edited) I have been to Israel too and I agree on some of the posters views. Most Israelis and Palestinians are very nice everyday people with mutual problems. The Armenian Quarter is one of the nicest areas.Actually, Jerusalem is beautiful..go there one day if you haven't. you will leave with a radically different view of the local situation there..YidKid P.S. I don't contribute to Jewish organizations except the JNF which plants trees. They {Lobby}don't push my cause necessarily.They are political, not spiritual or religious. I hate a lot of the leaders because they act "Jewish" and then their kids intermarry!lol Mine were raised less fanatical and guess what..they married Jewish. Mazel Tov! YidKid Edited May 12, 2004 by Jewish Friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Turkey might recall its ambassador to Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Turkey might recall its ambassador to Israel Sorry could not resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 P.S. I don't contribute to Jewish organizations except the JNF which plants trees. They do a lot more than just "plant trees". And even for the tree planting they first buy, or get hold of by other means, the land to plant those trees on - land that would otherwise have been Palestinian land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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