Yerevanian Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 hmmm Hayastan' ches moracel...... bayc Hayeren el ches grum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) hmmm Hayastan' ches moracel...... bayc Hayeren el ches grum... Isn't it ironic that I am writing in English to state that what you have stated is the first step of colonization? In The Tempest, written by Willian Shakesphere, Caliban explains the process to Prosper when he states: "You taught me language, and my profit on't/Is, I know how to curse. The red plague rid you/ For you learning me your language!" You can never critisize the entity that has taught you the very basic tools to prosper in western civilization. However, the cost of being labeled "westernized" to certain extent means giving up the very tools that allow you to maintain your ethnic identity. Eventually, this forces you to drift away from your ethnic identity, but again what do I know? Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 hmmm Hayastan' ches moracel...... bayc Hayeren el ches grum... Du el Hayeren ches grum, es tarerov menkh erpek chenk karogana Hayeren grenk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) By the way I must confess, I tried to steal one of Roubens photos and post them here, however he was quite clever by disabling the right click. I've been told how to get around it but decided not to push the limit. For those that don't know - you just press the return key on your keyboard at the same time as you click on the right mouse button. Is that Armenian Ethnographical Museum a recently opened building? Edited May 2, 2004 by bellthecat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 For those that don't know - you just press the return key on your keyboard at the same time as you click on the right mouse button. Thanks for the tip, I'll be saving some poster money now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerevanian Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Du el Hayeren ches grum, es tarerov menkh erpek chenk karogana Hayeren grenk. gurgen... mer erexeqn el es erkrum erbeq chen karoxana hay mnan..... (ete tenc mtatses) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerevanian Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Isn't it ironic that I am writing in English to state that what you have stated is the first step of colonization? In The Tempest, written by Willian Shakesphere, Caliban explains the process to Prosper when he states: "You taught me language, and my profit on't/Is, I know how to curse. The red plague rid you/ For you learning me your language!" You can never critisize the entity that has taught you the very basic tools to prosper in western civilization. However, the cost of being labeled "westernized" to certain extent means giving up the very tools that allow you to maintain your ethnic identity. Eventually, this forces you to drift away from your ethnic identity, but again what do I know? Viqil I think you are colonized! But Shakespeare has nothing to do with you denying your roots! I will never give in into this society! I have mine! Why should I become Westernized? Have you ever seen American who’s willing to change into Armenian? I haven’t … tell you the truth.. it is because some Armenians who lived in year 1915 were also covering themselves with Shakespeare, that they lost the lands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) Viqil I think you are colonized! But Shakespeare has nothing to do with you denying your roots! I am not my friend, but rather by understanding the fundamentals of "real politick" I get closer to controlling it due to the fact that in the world there are only "pawns and kings, emperors and fools". I will never give in into this society! I have mine! Why should I become Westernized? Have you ever seen American who’s willing to change into Armenian? I haven’t … tell you the truth.. it is because some Armenians who lived in year 1915 were also covering themselves with Shakespeare, that they lost the lands! When I wear my mask I am not hiding, but becoming. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_Karenina Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 gurgen... mer erexeqn el es erkrum erbeq chen karoxana hay mnan..... (ete tenc mtatses) style_images/master/snapback.png Yan, true we all have to keep hold of our Armenian roots, but to tell you the truth it's a pretty hard thing to do. I mean you live in a totally different society, and to be able to thrive, you do have to become part of that society. Secondly I am not even sure what being Armenian is. To keeo all our customs? to speak the language? I mean I know many Armenians that were not born in Armenia who speak perfect Armenian, and many who have just emmigrated from Armenia, who refuse to speak Armenian. As for the customs, many of the Armenian customs are very old, and I think it is time to let go of them, and move on. We need some kind of progress in life, we can't always hang on to our old ways, and try to fit in with the fast paced world of 21st century. I know this will anger you, but I'd rather raise a child here in Canada, than in Armenia. By seeing today's youth in Armenia, I can't imagine I would want to go raise my children there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 (edited) http://www.armeniadiaspora.com/js04/041020boulvard.jpg Count Voronsky would disagree with You! The picture above is one of the latest from Yerevan. Armenia along with all other East European post Communist countries has one huge advantage. We can learn from the mistakes of the others - namely the West. We can have better market economy without repeating the mistakes on the Macro and Micro level by using foreign experience and thus creating much more viable, vibrant and sustainable society. One of the reasons why foreign investments exist at all is exactly this. This could be a good start of a new thread "What kind of Armenia we want?". Remember Queen's song "Is this the World we created....?" Edited October 22, 2004 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I want to thank everyone for posting these amazing pictures of Yerevan, Dilijian and Hayastan in general. I haven't been to Armenia in 10 years, and I miss it dearly. Unfortunatelly, I don't have as many memories of Hayastan because I was born and grew up in Tbilisi, and then moved to US. However, I used to spend at least 4 months out of every year in Hayastan vacationing and visiting family. I have some great pictures of Sevan, Ararat and Hayastan. They're not digital, so I'll see if I can scan them and post them up. Again, thank you all for putting a huge smile on my face and making me remember some amazing times that I spent in Hayastan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I don't like this thread. It's like people speeking about my actual home like it is something gone forever. Makes me feel like dejavu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Count Voronsky would disagree with You! style_images/master/snapback.png Gams, maybe she just wants to say that she's some Karen's Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Gams, maybe she just wants to say that she's some Karen's Anna style_images/master/snapback.png Good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Gams, when have you been to Armenia last time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiner Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Yan, true we all have to keep hold of our Armenian roots, but to tell you the truth it's a pretty hard thing to do. I mean you live in a totally different society, and to be able to thrive, you do have to become part of that society. Secondly I am not even sure what being Armenian is. To keeo all our customs? to speak the language? I mean I know many Armenians that were not born in Armenia who speak perfect Armenian, and many who have just emmigrated from Armenia, who refuse to speak Armenian. As for the customs, many of the Armenian customs are very old, and I think it is time to let go of them, and move on. We need some kind of progress in life, we can't always hang on to our old ways, and try to fit in with the fast paced world of 21st century. I know this will anger you, but I'd rather raise a child here in Canada, than in Armenia. By seeing today's youth in Armenia, I can't imagine I would want to go raise my children there. style_images/master/snapback.png You are right, there is definitely conflict. One definitely needs to be fully integrated in the society they live in so they can thrive. But I guess it is still possible to be familiar with a particular (ancestral) culture in terms of language, history, music, food, literature, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 just like to add some new pic's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 i love this one - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 It should be noted, my dad had a Jiguli and I always sat in the front seat as we drove through the streets of Yerevan! style_images/master/snapback.png Yeah? Did he yell and curse at other drivers that cut him off? I was scared to stand to close to the street in Yerevan. Drivers are crazy. I hear it is even worse in Tbilissi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Yeah? Did he yell and curse at other drivers that cut him off? I was scared to stand to close to the street in Yerevan. Drivers are crazy. I hear it is even worse in Tbilissi. style_images/master/snapback.png As someone who lived in Tbilisi & visited Yerevan many, many times I know for a fact that Tbilisi drivers are somehow even crazier then Yerevan drivers. Don't know why, but they have no rules when it comes to driving. That's something that I don't miss about Tbilisi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 (edited) I know for a fact that Tbilisi drivers are somehow even crazier then Yerevan drivers. Don't know why, but they have no rules when it comes to driving. style_images/master/snapback.png I would argue with that, bijo. I think Yerevan drivers are crazier than those in Tbilisi ------------------- F: A u nas v Dilijane otkrivaesh kran, voda techet...vtoroye mesto zanimaet v mire. K: A pervoye v Yerevane da? F: Net, San-Francisco Edited October 24, 2004 by Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I would argue with that, bijo. I think Yerevan drivers are crazier than those in Tbilisi ------------------- F: A u nas v Dilijane otkrivaesh kran, voda techet...vtoroye mesto zanimaet v mire. K: A pervoye v Yerevane da? F: Net, San-Francisco style_images/master/snapback.png I'm not bijo. Are you from Tbilisi or Yerevan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I'm not bijo. Are you from Tbilisi or Yerevan? style_images/master/snapback.png Sorry, didn't mean it the serious way Yerevan but I spent half of my childhood in Batumi Have you been there? It was a very nice town with a mixture of cultures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Gams, when have you been to Armenia last time? style_images/master/snapback.png 1983, but between 1974 -1980 I was there almost every year. That was until some of my relatives moved to US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 1983, but between 1974 -1980 I was there almost every year. That was until some of my relatives moved to US. style_images/master/snapback.png Should I say that since than A LOT has changed If you wanna go sometime let mo know. Or better wait until I am back next summer and than come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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