provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 alright look people, this is all my opinion just letting you know. you are all talking about great artists like Dali, van gogh, gorky and bla bla bla, k they're all great, i have alot of respect for what they have done, but just pause for a second and ask yourself who defines what is great art? who are the great artists? and why and how did they become so great? art is not always about the finished work, its about the process. what you people dont realize is that artists are the greatest liars out there. when you look at a painting its just paint on surface, dont you get it, nothing more. paint on canvas. the reason you as the viewer look at a painting and identify it as things you know is becuase u are taught to look at that way. when i draw its nothing but scribbles on paper. sure i organize it, but the bottom line is its line on paper. its an illusion. there is nothing beautiful about it. art is about process. on top of that there is no such thing as good or bad art. and if you do say there is good and bad art ask yourself for who? how do u define good and bad? who defines it for who? yes it sounds complicated but thats what art is. its complicated bs. lets be honest there is no one definition for art and who is to say your definition is better than mine, or mine is wrong and yours is right. as long as art does not have one defintion, then it has no boundaries, and something that doesn't have boundaries cannot be defined. am i glad that anything can be art? no im not, but thats what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 when i say no boundaries i mean there are no limits to art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 and if anyone knows how to post an image larger please let me know. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 provemewrongg, welcome to HyeForum. VERY positive start. I love it. Just change the size of the images on your PC to however large you want them then they will appear larger on the forum as well. Make sure to keep the images under 50K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
564312 Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Prove, art as a creation defines the artist. Who is the great artist you ask? I say a masterpiece that leaves on forever defines the artist. An artist that can elevate a human spirit, an artist that speaks to generations centuries upon centuries, I call them wunderkinds, not only great artists but men who possessed the sparks of the divine creation. Today art can be anything because today everything goes. Compared to someone who throws paint on a canvas from their behind I guess even Picaso is a great artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Picasso is a great master compare to anyone. So is Pollack who did basically throw paint from his behind in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 (edited) To P. If Art is a creation of a human being, which it is then lets judge other creations according to your relativity ideas of, there is no bad Art and good Art. There is a bad wine verses great wine right? There is a bad cheese verses great cheese right? There is a bad car verses a great car right? There are lousy shoes verses a great shoes right? You perhaps wondering what do these examples have anything to do with Art? Humans created all my examples above and they adhere to certain principle of quality which incidentally always is present. I strongly reject the Argument “who tells who what is great” verses Art itself displays its virtues! As for painting being just a paint then why not a car just a mental, operating room equipment just a pieces of plastic, mental etc. Again it is always the mediocre painters, artists, writers try to level everything on sewage level so their mediocre creation rise to equality level with other great works.(not intended personally to you) Edited December 24, 2003 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
564312 Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Azat that picture that you have on is much greater artist then Picasso or that pollack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 (edited) I hate these stupid mediocre arguments, which are devoid of any logic. Arguments like there are no great Art verses mediocre Art. Who is the judge what is etc.etc. spineless, baseless, thoughtless pattern of thinking. Our very essence what made us humans depends on certain quality recognition therefore we would have seized to exist as humans. Imagine if we as species failed to distinguish even basic survival criterias like making safe foods, building ships that sailed, cracking that ancient bones to suck the marrow. Not related? Think again these are essentially quality built instincts which driven humanity toward the moon. The relativity ideas can downgrade everything to ashes since it fails to distinguish quality verses none. Quality is self-defined. It is build within by its creators Edited December 24, 2003 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 alright people look how can you compare picasso to pollock you cant, they had different intentions. and as far as saying pollock just threw paint on the canvas then you have absolutely no idea about him do you. if you did your research you would know that pollock had his paintings planned out before he painted them, sure everything wasn't planned out but the basic lay out was. how do i know because after he passed away they did research on his paintings like an x ray thing where you can look through layers and they found paths on the canvas drawn with pencil and guess what the paint followed the same paths. pollock was a disciplined artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Certanly there is no 'objective' criteria to evaluate someone's greatness in arts. However, long time ago in France was introduced the so-called 'point' system. Each artist's works have been evaluated by the number of the works sold through Art galleries. The artists with most points could afford to throw paint behind their backs being certain that whatever they produce would be sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 all im trying to say is that it is a system. just becuase something is in the gallery doesn't mean its good. there are thousands of artists out there who never get the opportunity to show their work. does that mean they aren't good? i dont know you answer that. im not here saying what is good or bad, and i dont have the right uless i am speaking for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 here is another drawing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 here is another one, i have storyboards on this too which i'll post in a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 here are the storyboards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Azat that picture that you have on is much greater artist then Picasso or that pollack what picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 alright people look how can you compare picasso to pollock you cant, they had different intentions. and as far as saying pollock just threw paint on the canvas then you have absolutely no idea about him do you. if you did your research you would know that pollock had his paintings planned out before he painted them, sure everything wasn't planned out but the basic lay out was. how do i know because after he passed away they did research on his paintings like an x ray thing where you can look through layers and they found paths on the canvas drawn with pencil and guess what the paint followed the same paths. pollock was a disciplined artist. Maybe you should reread my saying one more time. As for knowing Pollock or not, i can assure you that I know ALOT about Pollock and art in general. In the above statement all I said was that I think Pollack was a great artist even if he in the "end" was throwing pain on the canvas from his back. If you want to see an example of when he was just throwing paint in the canvas please research when he had a high speed fan turned on and he would splash the paint on the canvas with the assistance of the fan and such. Thanks for your informative info on Pollock. I am sure that may be news to a few about his planning, but not to many on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 alright that sounds cool now i've learned something new. thanks Azat. i still think the art world is full of BS anywayz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 (edited) Now, THIS is art.... http://goooze.nm.ru/temp/boom.jpg notice the anticipation on the peoples faces Edited December 25, 2003 by Accelerated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 thats performance art lol thats what i wanna see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 could it be a photoshop art? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 26, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 could be. speaking of photoshop art here is one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fackit Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 alright look people, this is all my opinion just letting you know. you are all talking about great artists like Dali, van gogh, gorky and bla bla bla, k they're all great, i have alot of respect for what they have done, but just pause for a second and ask yourself who defines what is great art? who are the great artists? and why and how did they become so great? art is not always about the finished work, its about the process. what you people dont realize is that artists are the greatest liars out there. when you look at a painting its just paint on surface, dont you get it, nothing more. paint on canvas. the reason you as the viewer look at a painting and identify it as things you know is becuase u are taught to look at that way. when i draw its nothing but scribbles on paper. sure i organize it, but the bottom line is its line on paper. its an illusion. there is nothing beautiful about it. art is about process. on top of that there is no such thing as good or bad art. and if you do say there is good and bad art ask yourself for who? how do u define good and bad? who defines it for who? yes it sounds complicated but thats what art is. its complicated bs. lets be honest there is no one definition for art and who is to say your definition is better than mine, or mine is wrong and yours is right. as long as art does not have one defintion, then it has no boundaries, and something that doesn't have boundaries cannot be defined. am i glad that anything can be art? no im not, but thats what it is. see, let me tell you this about art, HE IS RIGHT COMPLETELY. but the true definition of art isnt illustration, painting or whatever. art is expression in any shape or form. Im an illustrator and I;ve been told my stuff is nice, but to me its bullshit. because thats what I do as a job, i dont express with that. I express with other things. When you do so much of something a day, there is no expression left. You gotta live. but what true art is, its balance, harmony, there are secret codes that not everyone knows about that creates textures none like other. Its math, its particles that create everything, But to study these codes? there are too many. Look at great composers for example, Guiseppe Tartini, lived in the 1600s, 1700s, WAYYYYYY BEFORE THE ROMANTIC EXPRESSIONISTIC STYLE WAS IN. before people composed music for other themes, cultural or religious, or for joyus occasions. such as gregorian chant, they just chanted for hours, no melody, no harmony, nothing.................. now there is renaissance changed things, melody comes in, but every sentence in music ends early. Now Tartini is a great example of a magician. dont loose me im getting to my point about artists being liars. Tartini composed for the court, wrote bullshit so the kigns and queens can mascarade and eat grapes, when he went home he wrote shit with expression when expression wasnt done in music. He has verses and passages in pieces that a 100 years later they used. HOW DID HE DO IT????????? HE IS A BAROQUE COMPOSER WHO EXPRESSES IN MUSIC WHEN OTHERS DIDNT. ALL THEY HAD WAS LITTLE RENAISSANCE DANCE THEMES, LAL LA LA ALA LLA LAL AL AL end. starts a new verse no passage. he obviously knew codes, and secret shit we dont know about. See there is expression in art, and what art truly is, its expression. If you express in drawing (proovemewrong) then its great, and when I look at your stuff I see balance, I see perspective, foreshortening, that creates balance, you can see that, and at the end it creates harmony somewhat. harmony is used everywhere. IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO BE GREAT, YOU NEED HARMONY, LIKE FERRARIS, THEY ARE SO UNIQUE IN DESIGN, WHY???? BECAUSE THE DESIGNER JUST DREW IT, NO HE KNOWS HARMONY. and at the end yes, artists are liars, ive lied shit!!!! ive done some drawings where i was just messing around, at the end i named it something else. but then again I dont express through illustrating. Im lost yeah. but just remember, your work has balance dude. and if thats not what you express in, just do it so you make money off it. ACES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted January 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 dude i could give a shit less about makin money. i do cause i want to thats it. and if i make money with it thats fine, if not then thats also ok, cause thats not my goal. to me art is storytelling, the reason i love storytelling is because i want to get through people. and even if only one person looks at my work and says whoever did this has passion and heart for it then i've achieved something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fackit Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 dude i could give a shit less about makin money. i do cause i want to thats it. and if i make money with it thats fine, if not then thats also ok, cause thats not my goal. to me art is storytelling, the reason i love storytelling is because i want to get through people. and even if only one person looks at my work and says whoever did this has passion and heart for it then i've achieved something. then thereyou go, its expression. thats what you do, you like to story tell through drawing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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