bellthecat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Art is the most intense mode of individualism that the world has known. Oscar Wilde And opinions like that have got art into the dire straits it is in today - meaningless and pointless and a not very funny joke. Good Art has almost nothing to do with individualism. It is to do with collectivism; the relationship between it and the society that experiences/creats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Dadaism dead - ba umf! Blago bung blago bung bosso fataka to you, Armat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 (edited) Dadaism dead - ba umf! Blago bung blago bung bosso fataka to you, Armat. Steve, I'm seriously concerned about your health?! Few posts ago you sounded very solid and readable! What happened?! Edited December 24, 2003 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provemewrongg Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 hey Armat can u take the tiem and tell me what is good art and what is bad art, im an artist myself and i cant really say what is good or bad unless im talking about my own personal taste, but i wanna hear what u consider good and bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Steve, I'm seriously concerned about your health?! Few posts ago you sounded very solid and readable! What happened?! Ba umf to you too Gamavor - it's from the famous Dadaist poem Karawane! Which Armat should know since one shouldn't go around talking about a thing being dead unless one know what the thing actually is. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Would someone explain what is dadaism? That poem of Steve intrigued me (any chance of it being started by a guy named dada? just curious ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Would someone explain what is dadaism? That poem of Steve intrigued me (any chance of it being started by a guy named dada? just curious ) Sasun jan, I think you are thinking about Tataism. completely different. But ask Bruin and she can tell you all you need to know about Tataism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 shabadabadabadadash dash dash.... compared to Blago bung blago bung bosso fataka Sounds like Tataism Hey Bruin are you follwoing, is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 that made my day Sasun jan. LOL Merry Xmas to you and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Merry Xmas Azat jan... Merry Xmas to everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Part of the Dada Manifesto, written by Hugo Ball in 1916. Dada is a new direction in art. You can tell this because up to now nobody knew anything about it, and tomorrow everyone in Zurich will be talking about it. Dada comes from the dictionary. It's terribly simple. In French it means "hobbyhorse." In German: "addio," "get off my back," "see you later!" In Romanian: "Absolutely, you're right, that's it. Yeah, really, let's do it." And so forth. An international word. Only a word, and the word as movement. It's just awful. If you make it into a direction in art, that must mean you want to get rid of complications. Dada psychology, dada literature, dada bourgeoisie, and you, most honored poets, who have always composed with words but never composed the word itself. Dada world war without end, dada revolution without beginning, dada you friends and alsopoets, posterior evangelists. Dada Tzara, dada Huelsenbeck, dada m'dada, dada mhm' dada, dada Hue, dada Tza. How do you achieve eternal bliss? By saying dada. How do you become famous? By saying dada. With noble attitude and fine deportment. Until you go crazy, until you pass out. How can you get rid of everything infernalish and journalish, everything nice and neat, everything priggish and brutish and foppish? By saying dada. Dada is the world's soul, dada is the point, dada is the world's best lily-milk soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 http://www.ubu.com/historical/sound/ball.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 many thanks to the little birdie for letting me in on all this 'tata' talk!! why yes! i can tell you all about tataism! it's the fine art of writing beautiful poetry and putting it to more or less traditional armo style music! (gotta keep the head swinging---side to side baby!!!---) ...always wear a cap and keep some facial hair/goatee/light beard (girls dig that!! ) ---then croon in that sweet voice that will even make the hardest of hearts soften up a bit --- but all this will only fly if you have been born with a beautiful set of vocal chords!!! aaaaahhhhh music to my ears --- ~~~aaakh dtzen em dalee siro anush vardavar, ko bagh j@rereeh hed yaris barev dar~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 I once went to a Dali exhibit in Rome - probably seeing more of his stuff at once than I could hope to via any other means. But, aside from whether he was this or that, I left the exhibit a bit disturbed, in that some of his stuff was pretty graphic (one sketch or something in particular that I recall now) - I'm not talking about nudism - that proved a bit too much for those of us who are too observant for their own good (like, uhm, me)... I asked others if they had noticed such and they asked me what the heck I was talking about. Anyway, no wonder the man was considered very crazy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Thanks Steve, this dada poem reminds me how 6 month old children talk And Bruinchik, thanks for the insightful explanation of tataism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 What a great bunch of posts on this thread Steve. I particularly liked the observation concerning photography - so true. I've always been a big fan of Dali's (but would never claim to be anything other then a novice...) - and apreciate what your saying Stormy - and thats somewhat the point - art should be disturbing (not always in a bad way - but yes that as well)...and I agree with Steve - art - to be meaningful cannot just be individualistic (for then it would have no point - outside/beyond the ravings of a crazy person) - it must have some broader apeal - otherwise it is not communicating anything - and art is essentially a form of communication - very much (a picture being worth a thousand words & such)...and this is also clearly shown by the sometimes vast differences in what is considered apealing or artisitc between/among different cultures - even to the point of acceptable/recognized mediums... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Thanks Steve, this dada poem reminds me how 6 month old children talk Naw ... 6 month old children try to talk with real words! Dadaists try to talk with unreal words! Like the author of Karawane said, they didn't want to be just poets "who have always composed with words but never composed the word itself". And, considering what real words were making of the world in 1916/1917, who can blame them for trying to be different. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fackit Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Surrealism as “style” rather died quickly since reality is much greater then our subconscious. I was never fan of Dali. Most people get awe struck on his visual images but he lacks real content. For me any Art form, which is based solely on intellectual plain, dies. Think about this. Minimalism-dead. Surrealism-dead. Dadaism-dead. Futurism-dead and so on. What all these ism have in common are manifestations of intellectual expressions. What does Van Gogh, Gorky, Rembrandt, and Velasquez just of few have in common? I will let you figure that. --- Note: This thread was split from another thread so Armat is not the initiator. --Sip You got a point, but its all gonna die, see art though never dies, dont look at the painting point of view. Those are styles. There is always new stuff around the corner, and new ways of expressing, but then again, everything ends and starts again. its all bullshit dude. but we cant judge on what ends and what starts, if the man expressed through it, thats what counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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