Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Have you read the CNN article? It clearly explains what the advantages are. If I understand correctly pleasure "initiates" when the skin is pulled back, thus exposing the sensitive are, and so on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Yes, I read the article. The advantages are all hygienic. Couldn't find anything else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Armen what more do you want? Shooting stars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Yes, but again in our days those advantages are effectively matched. And one more thing: if a man does not look after himself he'll not get sterill even if you cut the whole organ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 My wife and I actually discussed, debated and researched this issue quite a bit for our two boys. Ultimatly we felt that there was no right or wrong - but we felt it might be somewhat better hygenically (to circumsize - and we did)...and considering how much we struggle just to get our kids to brush their teeth I think we made the right choice. And I can certainly sympathize with the ladies who might like the look better...and other related factors....again all reletive and individual preference and such... A couple of things regarding the pleasure issue - I dispute that there is more with versus without - though tough to really prove - and I think it is quite relative (to a lot of things) anyway...secondly - does it make any difference if one is using a condom? - I would think not and third - most guys I know have problems holding out as the pleasure is too intense...so perhaps if it were a bit less maybe sex would last longer...don't know...(while I can agree about the pleasure aspect I ussully don't have this problem..though it can happen to the best of us at times...luckily for some of us it doesn't always matter...LOL - though I've certainly lost some of this ability with age...shame...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 If I understand correctly pleasure "initiates" when the skin is pulled back, thus exposing the sensitive are, and so on.... Eve, you are damn close! The barbarism starts when a parent without the consent of the child takes decesions which could not be reverted. If I lived in the desert probably I would...but I was born in a civilized society and my parents thought me how to take care of my self since very early age. As to the "balds" well, guys you can live with it. No one is perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Seems like both sides are lock in a very delicate marketing issue here Because in both cases we're talking about virtually irreversible situations, the marketing department is dealing with a finished product. So, everyone's (including the girls => boyfriend marketing) opinion is subjective. I rest my case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) I think this problem would become a mater of personal choice if we were to start a petition talk to our congressmen and waste a lot of money on making it against the law to circumsize anyone who does not for him/herself consent to it...(females the same, though i can imagine it a bnit more dramatic for them)... thus.. making it just like sex is these days.. "do what you want"... now what?.. nothing.. endless arguments.. because there arent any health risks that go with it on a normal basis.. there isnt pleasure lost during sex.. etc.. and only thing that may help prevent is masturbating..(thats hardly barbaric). but if its a personal choice not to masturbate.. then.. obviously there is nothing more to be said... And stop critisizing Anileve for being neither for or against this.... what she is saying makes perfect sense... oh, and.. But what is its necessity if we're in a civilized world? what exactly does this infer?? what does being civilized have to do with circumcision?? u base this merely on the fact that certain religions accept of it and some have even gone to the extent of ritualizing it??... i dont think thats how it works. Edited August 17, 2004 by gevo27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 what exactly does this infer?? what does being civilized have to do with circumcision?? u base this merel on the fact that certain religions accept of it and some haev even gone to the extent of ritualizing it??... i dont think thats how it works. It inferes that you have hot water, and if it doesn't help you can keep it in 96% medical spirit 5 minutes every evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) It inferes that you have hot water, and if it doesn't help you can keep it in 96% medical spirit 5 minutes every evening. Yur full of such wisdom,,, and sicne mypost was edited for no good reason... imstill gonna say "What the F***" is that supposed to mean? Edited August 17, 2004 by gevo27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 ok folks lets keep it nice shell we? and Gevo edit your smiley please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 is this better... it means "What The Freak".. and i dont feel i have said anything wrong... ,, buut whatever.. back to barbaric rituals.. err i mean circumcision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 no its not, freak is even worst and I will edit your post for you, you had your chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Armen what more do you want? Shooting stars? Shooting stars Hmm that would be nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Actually body hair is something I would rather wish not to grow back. Who says that hair removal is painless, have you forgotten about waxing that so many women subject themselves to? First of the all, the argument was about cutting not pulling out. Second of all, these men and women who wax are old enough to make their own choices! Whatever parent would subject their baby or unaware child to waxing (and (ear)piercing while we're at it) is as much a sadist as those "snipping off" "extra" skin from babies without their consent and without any kind of painkiller!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Yur full of such wisdom,,, and sicne mypost was edited for no good reason... imstill gonna say "What the F***" is that supposed to mean? Gevo, you were answered accordingly. Do not jump on me with your "lectures" and tell me what I have to do next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Shooting stars Hmm that would be nice I am sooo tempted to make a comment but there is no way of making it subtle enough not to sound terribly vulgar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) including the girls => boyfriend marketing <_< First of the all, the argument was about cutting not pulling out. Second of all, these men and women who wax are old enough to make their own choices! Whatever parent would subject their baby or unaware child to waxing (and (ear)piercing while we're at it) is as much a sadist as those "snipping off" "extra" skin from babies without their consent and without any kind of painkiller!!! and gamavor..... Pulling out hair, cutting it, same concept in this case nairi, you are splitting hair. Here is the thing, there is no potential health benefit from piercing an ear. Also keep in mind that if the process is beneficial in some way it is only fair for parents to make a decision which they feel is best. It would actually be a lot worse if a child was grown and forced against his will, because his mind and rationale would be already formed. Often when we are children our parents force us to do many things despite our protest and often it is a decision we are grateful for. I hated gymnastics, it was painful for me to go for my practices, but my mother used to force against my will. Now I am eternally grateful to her for forcing me, because I realize the benefit perhaps not crucial to my existence but it's by far more beneficial than the belly button piercing which I got as a result of my own conscious decision. And by the way the procedure is performed with the use of anesthesia. Once again I am not advocated the procedure as a universal stand for all men, I am simply correcting the false image of "barbarism" in that ritual. Edited August 17, 2004 by anileve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I don't agree with you, because cutting hari and nails is essential. Imagine having hair so long you can wipe your butt with it! It gets in the way! Besides by cutting it once in a while, it stays clean and healthy. Same with nails. Birds file their beaks too when they get too long. As for forcing kids to do PE, I really don't see a problem with that since it's healthy!! But what's unhealthy about taking a shower once in a while and cleaning your private parts?? I don't agree with your point of view, no matter what arguments you use. I still think it's barbaric and outdated. It may have been functional at the time, but it's highly redundant now, esp. in the West! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 I am sooo tempted to make a comment but there is no way of making it subtle enough not to sound terribly vulgar. Your too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 I still think it's barbaric and outdated. It may have been functional at the time, but it's highly redundant now, esp. in the West! I dont understand what about it is barbaric if we all just followed my idea.. lol.. if we consent to getting it done to ourselves, whats the problem? its the same as taking a shower.. cutting nails, or whatever else we do that is not particularly crucial to our well being.. In the case of parents chosing to get it done to there children, first i dont see the point of it being done.. it holds nothing back that the kid would have, nor does he gain anything from it... but i wouldnt say its barbaric... after all essentially barbarianism is another very self-relative term... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) Gevo, you were answered accordingly. Do not jump on me with your "lectures" and tell me what I have to do next time. i dont see where u get i was jumping on you.. but.. whatever.. i asked a few legitimate questions for which you had stupid rediculous answers to... and i would still like to know what you mean by It inferes that you have hot water, and if it doesn't help you can keep it in 96% medical spirit 5 minutes every evening .. so please do explain... either way.. calm down. Watch the language please - nairi Edited August 18, 2004 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 I don't agree with your point of view, no matter what arguments you use. Looks like you've made up your mind nairi, and even if I provide you with the facts that circumcision will provide full endurance and unforceen treasures and immense pleasures you will still debunk them. Amy: I knew I could count on you. Heto asumen vor du shat kaxtseres, ha lav...char axchik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Man who knew my weewee was so important that you guys would talk about it for so many pages... (I have a feeling that Movses is going to kick my ass and ban me from the forum when I have had a few to drink) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Well, let me put it this way Eve: come up with an attractive argument and I might change my mind. So far neither you nor those who defend and justify this form of mutilation have given me a satisfactory argument. The floor is yours, me lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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