mx5 Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 (edited) opening the border has more cons than pros for us Armenians in general and ROA in particular.so should be analaysed thoroughly before coming to an assesment, I hope the leaders in Armenia they know what are they doing. As a Diasporian I am concerned that all the money that we contribute to Armenia will end up in turkey as a result of one sided trade. Edited May 1, 2004 by mx5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 (edited) This could be beneficial to BOTH sides IF Turkey played honestly. Yet given their machinations re: Cyprus, Genocide, Kurds, etc. who can trust them? Edited May 1, 2004 by America-Hye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Just imagine the population who are ocupying our Ani,Gars,Van,Ardahan will be prospired with our own money and settle themselves even more!! what a strange concept.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Turkey could begin the healing by honoring the property rights of the descendents of those whose properties and bank acounts were confiscated by the Ittihadists. Until they do that and recognize what happened in 1915, they have NO credibility. One can not deal effectively with a nation with NO credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArmo Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Indeed, Opening the border with our ancient foe's has great potential, We must have legal restrictions on imported goods and tariffs to profit ROA. We are better at commerce or smarter, Offcourse they are better politictians ! What is the official stance from ROA on this matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Trade with Turkey has been going on in black market bases, and high officials in both sides are very well aware of the fact and also are/were profiting from that fact, example, Textile, most raw materials Armenia is contorolled by Turks (among many such items). Move is more political rather then Economic. Recent developments regarding EU influenced Turkey’s decision, but most resent EU’s stand (Turkey Is not ready to be accepted into EU) may change Turkey’s stand, I guess its wait and see for near future developments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) We are better at commerce or smarter, Offcourse they are better politictians ! yes they are the better ass kissers!!!.. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with you America-hye ,the landlords right will never die as long as you demand it.. Edited May 2, 2004 by mx5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Trade with Turkey has been going on in black market bases, and high officials in both sides are very well aware of the fact and also are/were profiting from that fact, There is no direct Turkey to Armenia (or vice-versa) trade. What is closed is the BORDER, not commerce. Beyond that limitation I don't think there are trade restrictions between Turkey and Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArmo Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Trade with Turkey has been going on in black market bases, and high officials in both sides are very well aware of the fact and also are/were profiting from that fact, example, Textile, most raw materials Armenia is contorolled by Turks (among many such items). Move is more political rather then Economic. Recent developments regarding EU influenced Turkey’s decision, but most resent EU’s stand (Turkey Is not ready to be accepted into EU) may change Turkey’s stand, I guess its wait and see for near future developments. Ok, Trade on the border is somewhat benificial for local economy, But it also has bad elements. Illigal trafficing of narcotics which gives us bad publicity with western countries capitilize on for their gains, Offcourse they have their fair share of it. Border trades must be regulated and inspected vigorously if sanctioned by either goverment. My point is Armenia must take harsh measures to insure to profit from any commerce legal or illegal it's in out best interest. Btw, I'm sure your aware of this fact, Diaspora Armenians already purchase Turkish products at their local Armenian-Middle Eastern grocery stores anywhere in the United States... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArmo Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 yes they are the better ass kissers!!!.. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with you America-hye ,the landlords right will never die as long as you demand it.. If that's the case... We can change our tune as well. I would like to bring one example TV commercials promoting Turkey for Travel, They do a fantastic job on public relations. We have museums, history, antiquities, arts, cuisine, hospitality and much more. Can't we join the tourism band wagon also ? Armenians answer the call ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 We don't have beaches...at least not on sea side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 I will give you Lebanon as an example: we in Lebanon had an average economy but not superb ,mostly dependent on small and medium industry,after a new "economicaly very libral"billioner Prime minister took over the country the protactionizm was lifted the borders have oppened without taking into consideration the interests of his own people. so the entire market was flooded with Chinese,Turkish and Syrian products,you tell me what happened,the whole national product came into stagnation,hundreds of businesses are closing their doors thousand workers are being layed out other thousands are keeping line at the western embassy doors for inevitable immigration. if Armenia wants to make a good product doesnt need to take the technology from the turks he can go directly to the source to japan,China,Taiwan,Coria,malisia,and more, all these would be happy to invest there,and cocequently could even export them to surrounding countries even to turkey itself in the future. Which is exactely the point of Turkey, to hit when you are at your weakest,he knows very well that sooner or later it is inevitable that Armenia to become an Industrial and technological center ,at least due to its smart and inteligent and technology-wise people on one hand and vast Diaspora on the other which could easily become product exporter to Turkey itself rather than importer ,so he is striving to work on both fronts:open the border with armenia as soon as possible control the economy there before its too late AND play the theme of contradiction between Armenia And Diaspora to nullifye Latters vast possibilities which could play crucial role later on in Armenias development. to achieve this goal he is even turning his back to his long time ally Azerbaijan and jeoparising the relation with it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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