Stormig Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Yes! I do agree with you, but in those circonstances, right and wrong are not even concerned, it is about taking a good or bad decision for you, and possibly for the child to come(if that can even be said). But again, what the hell does right and wrong have anything to do here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Domino - I wanna have your baby! LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Domino - I wanna have your baby! LOL! Vow vow vow ... save it for the adult section which we are not going to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Domino - I wanna have your baby! LOL! You mean, Dominox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 You're right. Geez, I don't even know your name. Domino, Domino, Bobby, Bobbix, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Vow vow vow ... save it for the adult section which we are not going to have We're not? Back to PM, then, Sip. Will you have time for me from Thoth? Or was it Azat who was... Hey, I merely said I wanted to have his b*by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 I guess I neglected to clarify the poll question. What I meant is, in case of undesired pregnancy, is it (morally) right to do abortion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Domino - I wanna have your baby! LOL! No fair! ...I wanted to have his baby...and I caaaaaan't...sigh...life just ain't fair...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 No fair! ...I wanted to have his baby...and I caaaaaan't...sigh...life just ain't fair...LOLHow about Azat??!! He'll be crushed!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 How about Azat??!! He'll be crushed!!! What can I say...I'm over him already.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 What can I say...I'm over him already.... Awww, how come? Would you like to talk about it? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Well...its all about the list...I'm just hard to satisfy you know....its got to be like poetry...going on and on and on....verses that fill you up - you know in that special way...like all through your system...give you that special feeling all the way to your tummy...and I just found that Azat...well...he is a man of few words...Domino, on the other hand...just goes on and on and on! Novel length I tell you...not just some short story...I mean just look at his post(s)!!!... ...impressive I tell ya! Nothing short of a page...every time....and always good - hard - hitting prose...I mean whats a reader like me to think/do...I must have him! Domino - I want your love child!!!!! I must have fruit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 I guess I neglected to clarify the poll question. What I meant is, in case of undesired pregnancy, is it (morally) right to do abortion? It still is not a just question. Destroying an order can't be moraly right. Your question should be, should a woman have a child, which she know she can't take care of this child like the child need to be taken care of, and she knows as well that the chances that this child is adopted are slight. This is the question that one should have, and answering to that, then one must question that considering the answer given, if abortion would be a good option, if such a woman was to be pregnant, because as much as morality is concerned, it can't be morality right, but can be the best option in some circonstances. Taking a good decision does not necessarly involve morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 It still is not a just question. Destroying an order can't be moraly right. Your question should be, should a woman have a child, which she know she can't take care of this child like the child need to be taken care of, and she knows as well that the chances that this child is adopted are slight. This is the question that one should have, and answering to that, then one must question that considering the answer given, if abortion would be a good option, if such a woman was to be pregnant, because as much as morality is concerned, it can't be morality right, but can be the best option in some circonstances. Taking a good decision does not necessarly involve morality. Isn't he just "special" - mmmmmm (LOL) OK - a bit more serious... A very good point - good decisions.morality and what have you...its a complicated mix...and nothing is perfect - often decsions have to be made that are in ones best interest even though some consequences might be bad...its just the way of things...though fundementally (pun intended) many folks make too much of this one. Sure others may make thsi type of decsion lightly (but for most it not)...and there is no question of a living breathing person haveing "rights" where a fetus...er um...not so sure...at a point perhaps...but this is not a person with a social security card or such that we are talking about...I mean whats next? Are we going to have a moral prohibition against (male) masturbation because were killing millions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 I mean whats next? Are we going to have a moral prohibition against (male) masturbation because were killing millions? You meant to say, "Thou shalt not spill thy seed on the ground." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 I mean whats next? Are we going to have a moral prohibition against (male) masturbation because were killing millions? Male masturbation is immoral, I am against that. Just jocking. Masturbation is a healthy thing, and plus a spermatozoid, not having the same number of chromozone as humans(they just got the half) can't be considered as a possible becoming human. I got you in that one, havn't I? Actually, one must put a limit, because if we were to go deep and deep, we will end up, telling that not taking zinc supplements is immoral, because of the possible prematured death of spermatozoids. I find it logical, that the first cell, being composed of the entirity of the human cromozones should be the smallest thing to consider as a possible becoming human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Domino, I am not convinced of your argument that abortion destroys order. What if baby is born that will become a dictator and destroy all order on earth by, let's say, throwing nuclear bombs. How do you know that the end result is more or less order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Domino, I am not convinced of your argument that abortion destroys order. What if baby is born that will become a dictator and destroy all order on earth by, let's say, throwing nuclear bombs. How do you know that the end result is more or less order? I knew that will come up. I already gave the ellements to answer that question, in my posts about adding morality. If you kill for self defense, you did kill, killing is not moral, if you were to not kill the other, he would have killed you, which is a killing you permited, which is as well immoral. 1 + -1 = 0, you did neither right or wrong, by killing for self defense. Abortion taken alone is immoral, never could it be moral, putting a child in the hand of irresponsable parents that will make this child suffer, is immoral as well. I don't know if you see what I am trying to say. This is why I said that taking the good decision does not necessarly mean it is moral. Suppose that in order to not let the child suffer, you chose abortion. What have you done, is it moral or not? This is a hard question to ask, because, you faces two things, that if you chose one, you will do something moraly wrong, and on the other hand, you will still do something moraly wrong, the best option would be to decide what is less moraly wrong. This is why, abortion alone is morally wrong, it can't never be moraly right taken alone, neither if you add something else to the equation, your decision should be based, on what would be the solution which will be the less moraly wrong... but still, by your decision you won't make abortion moraly right. As of the dictator thing, when you'll tell me how to predict that someone will become a dictator before even being a someone, I shall answer your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 I know what you mean, Dominox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Domino, I am not sure what you mean. Can you say something that doesn't involve an arithmetic equation I understand the "good" decision means the moral one. I believe in every situation there is one moral decision and other immoral ones. And the moral decistion is the only good decision. So I don't get it when you separate them. But what would you say about the case of rape victim. You said that an exception can be made in this case. Now, how does your arithmetics work in this case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 As of the dictator thing, when you'll tell me how to predict that someone will become a dictator before even being a someone, I shall answer your question. OK, I predict that the child that Stormy is asking from you will become a dictator I made the prediction, now its your turn to answer my question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Domino, I am not sure what you mean. Can you say something that doesn't involve an arithmetic equation I understand the "good" decision means the moral one. I believe in every situation there is one moral decision and other immoral ones. And the moral decistion is the only good decision. So I don't get it when you separate them. But what would you say about the case of rape victim. You said that an exception can be made in this case. Now, how does your arithmetics work in this case? Sasun, when you decide to listen one music over the other, was it because listning that one was moral? Not every good decisions you take are moral, you take them because for you it is the good decision. Abortion alone, is not moral, that does not mean, that a woman after a reflection decide to have an abortion, will never make the right decision, because she has chosen abortion. Someone get pregnant, and that she knows she can not keep the child for various reasons, if the child was to be born, the way this woman will take care of the child would possibly be immoral, on the other hand, if this woman had to have abortion, it will still be immoral. In that cases, the woman will take the decision she believe is the best for her, and she will possibly take the good decision for her. But morality is just more than that. I do support the legalisation of abortion in some situation, but that does not mean, that I find abortion moral. Abortion in itself is for sure not moral, neither not taking care of a child, the question here, is what is worst, not taking care of a child or having abortion... and this depend on the parents own standards and values, the decision will never be moral in this cases, because one way or the other, there will be an immoral act which will be commited, the best that it should be done, is to limit it to the minimum possible. This is why, the decision of having abortion can possibly never be right, because abortion in itself is about destruction. But again, that does not mean, that someone having one won't take the good decision for her, and possibly the child to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 OK, I predict that the child that Stormy is asking from you will become a dictator I made the prediction, now its your turn to answer my question How dare you... Nope, I will be the greatest dictator of all, I will destroy every belief and religions on Earth and establish the Fadixianism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Domino, I don't think that an immoral decision made by me can ever be good. This maybe a matter of definition of what 'good decision' means to you. I am assuming the good decision is the moral one, whether or not it is good for me. Choosing what music to listen is not they type of decision I had in mind in my previous post. Actually anything would be a moral choice it seems to me. You still owe me an explanation - why destroy order when the pregnant woman is a rape victim, but not destroy it when the pregnant woman is not a rape victim. I mean, if you care about the order, why does it matter for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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