Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Hi guys I have a real dilemma and I am hoping there are some engineering guys here who can help.I am building a small studio in my backyard 10x12 two stories high. The height will be 15 feet. The foundation will not be permanent that is no digging concrete polls. I am planning to build this studio on three 4x4 12 feet in length and resting on one-inch concrete blocks distributed in nine places. The weight of the building I estimate would be two ton.Here is my problem. The building will be built on these skids and I wonder if a strong wind will not move it.I figure one could perhaps calculate the height, the width, length and the weight and find the answer to question- in what velocity of the wind the building will move.( by moving I mean even few inches which is enough to dislodge it from the skids) Anyone? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Two ton? That doesn't sound plausible. My Jeep's unladen weight is about that much! Unless you are building this out of cardboard, I would seriously rethink that 2 ton guesstimate. What's under those concrete blocks? Would it prevent the thing from sinking? I'm no expert in this stuff obviously but doesn't seem to me like a quick and dirty type of calculation would be too helpful here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Sip I got no clue about the wight but here is link which gives some idea.http://www.pineharbor.com/how_to_build_a_shed_1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Armat, I do not know much about building anything, but I can paint for you if you need help. This sure sounds like a great beer drinking project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Here is another sitehttp://www.popularmechanics.com/home_impro...hed/print.phtmlIt is not that strange to build small structures on none permanant foundations.What is perhaps unusual is that I am planning to build two stories high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Azat jan that is great and I wished I had some helpers to make it fun as well.I built a whole freakin fens in my yard, top notch pine, copper poll caps real attractive fens but digging those holls three feet deep and mixing concrete almost killed my back but the result is beatiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Armat, I do not know much about building anything, but I can paint for you if you need help. This sure sounds like a great beer drinking project... Woooo Hoooo !!!! A full fledged Barn Raisin' at Armat's place!!!!! I'm game ... just tell me when and I'll start driving. Armat, you have these poor guys from south of the border hanging around Home Depot every day (at least in LA it was like that) ... just go there one morning, pick up a couple of them and get them working. Save your back! ... and Azat and I will help with the BBQ duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Armat If you are not planning to have a permanent base, then you need to have an attached base to your construction and its wider then the height of the studio. For example if its 15' (feet) high, make your base is (attached to the studio) at list 25% bigger, wider then what the height is. I see if I can calculate tomorrow on the cad, maybe send you a sketch as well Good luck. Email me more details if you wish, you know, I know thing or two regarding that kind of staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Woooo Hoooo !!!! A full fledged Barn Raisin' at Armat's place!!!!! I'm game ... just tell me when and I'll start driving. Armat, you have these poor guys from south of the border hanging around Home Depot every day (at least in LA it was like that) ... just go there one morning, pick up a couple of them and get them working. Save your back! ... and Azat and I will help with the BBQ duties. Sip funny staff.Man you crack me up often.On home depot guys hanging around (I know what you mean) well here in Boston we got no illigal guys ready for labor.I will do it myself but will take a LLOOOONNGGG time.I know you and Azat are on the opposite side of the earth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Armat - Get yourself a construction engineer (local) for the project....you don't want to be fulling around with 2 sotry structures & such (and your in a freeeze area - so you must consider a proper foundation - otherwise - with ground heave and such - your likely to tip over & such. Pay the money & do it right - you'll have a better structure, you'll (perhaps) aviod lawsuits, and you'll likely just in general save yourself alot of trouble in the long run...and don't you have to get something like this approved and such (local government officialdom...what ever applies...town, country etc))? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 ThothThanks for the concern.I did check the officials.10x12 feet structures don't need to have a permanant base but I am cheating here a little.The maximum hight allowed is 15 feet but says nothing about structure being two story tall.I figured To pour a flat concrete base about six inches thick bigger then the base and have the skids bolt on to the concrete hence this baby will not go anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 man, you guys are such wimps. Armat, I say build it yourself. So cares if the group freezes or not. If it falls apart you can build another one. Plus I am sure it is not that HARD. I strongly suggest you get a good set of tools and go for it. I was kidding when I said that I do not have experience (actually I have never built anything like you are trying) but have done major renovations, including building a 10,000+ kitchen, everything from cabinets to the tile to the countertops and I have also worked on many other major house projects. There is something to be said about building something on your own. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Thanks Edward for your offer to help.I have seen your work.You are a true self starter genius! no joke here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Azat you are right! I checked similar structures built by pros and seen the poor workmanship and cost cutting tricks such as using 3x2 for walls instead of using 4x2 and generally charging good chunk of money.My concern was the wind resistance but I figured the solution .Bold this baby to concrete base.I can save thousands...but Thoth got my thinking now about the sinking part... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 (edited) Armat, Azat... I'm all for doing it yourself if you are able...but I certainly wouldn't just go off and build something - 2 stories - that will have actual people inside of it - etc - without first consulting an engineer - and being very aware of your local codes. Armat - I really don't think that a concrete base of 6 inches is not nearly sufficient (in your area)...and for a two stroy structure you must think weight bearing for the 2nd floor and your walls. You may be able to get away without pouring a full foundation - but you will need several vertical anchors (think 6x6 or maybe 4x4 vertical posts) sunk about 4-5 feet into the ground with concrete footers (dug out 2x2 at least) all the way down...really - if you want your structure to stay put and not twist up, fall over, burn down and fall into the swamp etc... You should see this multi (3) level (750 sq ft) deck and screend in porch complex a friend and I built off of my home (11 years ago to the month...it took us 6 weeks to build - he moved in with me [guest room...] - while my wife was off on a 6 week trip to Europe for her work...) - It is anchored to my house with 9 inches worth of baseboard (downstairs...maybe 7 inches on the second floor) - lag & through bolted...it has 15 6X6 footers (set into 3x3x5ft deep concrete with spikes to hold them in - a few of the 6x6s were custom order - nearly 30 ft tall...they have lights mounted on top) - 2x12 construction on all joists- spaced 1 ft apart - its so overbuilt the building inspectors just gasped! (of course they made me hire an engineer to prove that my at angle backrests/railings would hold certain weight - even after I got up on them and jumped up and down - etc. Yeah you should see it - its got a custom spiral stair that we kit built and cut wood risers for, two other sets of stairs - cantalevered so at to seem to float with no support, a 12 x 10 ft pergola (now covered in Wisteria), built in seating (thats actually comfortable), angles rail surfaces to not hold water, a built in gas fed [from house] fire pit, built in gas fed [from house] Ducane rotiserrie grill, two sets of French doors top & bottom (that we cut out the space from the walls and put in), a pair of facing double swinging screened doors going out of the porch onto the deck, very cool lighting...and super bright (dimmable) lights - several banks - for the screened in porch - no problem playing all night poker etc (also full pull down shading...just in case it turns into strip poker or such...hopefully with some gals about...of course...[though never happend yet...LOL] etc etc - oh yeah and 14 (pair) electric outlets...my philosophy is that you can never have enough power! LOL This deck is built so strong I joke that it would be safer to crawl under the deck in a huuricane etc - as it will still be standing even if the house were swept away (no joke either...). The structure was entirely my design - though I later hired an architect to draft it up to get it through the local permiting officials etc (bastards) - and to help us in ordering the lumber etc. Other cool features include some "floating" railing that seem to have no support (but they very much do), removable wood slats to customize the screeened in porch - full screen floor to cieling or halfway or whatever), and the second floor has specially cut decking "sleepers" set on a sloping 1st floor ceiling (for drainage) - keeping the 2nd floor level - and I used rainhandler disperser gutters...the first floor cieling is 1/2" wolminized plywoord set on 2x12s spaced 1 ft apart...covered in rubber for watertightness (forgot what that was called...) -, all connections fully screwed - nails only on floorbaords - even some screwed, and all kinds of other stuff - artisitic touches with shaped/anglesd wood etc (again - all my design) - most custom (luckily my friend can build anything...I drew it up and asked him - can you build this - ""yeah sure - no problem...and it was done)...and I videoed the entire process from the first shovelfull of dirt dug for the footers the the final assembly and even the innnagral party!! (much of it was done with time lapse photogrpahy/vid etc) - way cool... Edited October 14, 2003 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Thoth just reading what you did building your deck got me drooling .I am infinitely humbled! Master please spank me!! Thanks for your input, you are right I’ll research more and do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 what is it with people in the North East like Domino and now Armat that they want to be spanked? Armat jan, this is not an S&M board, but if you insist I am sure we can find few people to spank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 ... Plus I am sure it is not that HARD. .... There is something to be said about building something on your own. Azat, were'nt you the one that plugged up his drain with concrete???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 LOL vava - I think your right! ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 DUHHHHHH.(I was trying to think of what projects I had worked on and for some reason I had completely blocked that one out. hehehehee) Ya, so? I fixed it with a jackhammer(greatest tool ever invented) later on did I not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Vava, you are a bad person I was LMAO when I read that post. good one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 I fixed it with a jackhammer(greatest tool ever invented) later on did I not? Jackhammers are funny, they make your entire body itch after about 10 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 I think I lost half my hair just on that day. ANd my dad was such a pain in the butt that day.(I love the guy) He would say something like "Why are you stopping every 5-10 minutes", or "If you don't stop so often we would be done by now". Mean while my entire body kept shaking even after I would stop the jackhammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 ....and make sure that you do not need any kind of permit from the city authorities. I would hate to see you paying legal fees....instead of more beer! Sorry, Gin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 yeah...with jackhammering you shouldnt stop...try and do the whole thing without stopping (the little rests dont help and IMO make you even more tired). I used to labour (for FREE) for my dad, so its my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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