DominO123 Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 NOTA BENE, Everyone, Neutrod or Domino(since I am his discoverer ), is the new being that will be worshiped in the future. I will be writting the New Toran( "New" comming from the New Testament, Tor, from Torah, an, from Quran.) Neutrod spoke to me, he is very ferious that him as the creator of God, it is what he created that is worshipped. Here is the message he left me: Me Neutrod am formed as the product of everything, of every Universes that were, are and will be... they are my neurons, I am neither right nor wrong, my good part, humans call it God, and my bad part, they can it Evil or Devel. HUmanity as being part of me, are in a constant battle, having in themselves parts of my good part, and parts of my bad parts, they have the choice to live the way they like. See, see, what I was saying was true. OK! Guys, maybe it is not a good idea to make jokes in this forum section... So here is my point. Suppose that God is what is everything, the creater of everything... and is good. How can Good possibly creat bad. If Good didn't created bad, so from where Bad came from. Isen't it not more logical for a believer to accept Neutrod, a neutral suprem being? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Domino, I think I have answered your question in a different thread. This is a philosophical explanation. Of course, everything good and bad are created by God, there is nothing that has not to do with God. However, that doesn't mean that God is bad. The reason of evil is imperfection of the universe. You might ask, if God is good then why is his universe imperfect? The answer is the creation of the universe has not completed yet. There is still a long long time to come before the universe is completed and perfect. We human beings have a limited lifespan, therefore we are in hurry to see perfection. But God is never in hurry because he is immortal. He can tace as much time as he likes.God is absolute perfection. If you think it this way, the reason of evil is the lack of perfection, that is lack of God. So it is wrong to say that God created evil things to punish men. So to blame God for evil is like being too impatient Have some patience Domino, instead of inventing silly things Having said this, not everything that seems evil to us is actually evil. There are a lot of things that are just but we thing that they are not just. The key is our dual identity. There is the soul, and there is the ego. What is good for the ego is most of the time if not always bad for the soul. And what is good for the soul we might call it evil. I don't mean to generalize anything, it all depends on the circumstances and specifics. God's Will is the best thing for our soul. But we don't know God's Will (or in your case there is no such a thing). I will try to find something for you that I have read quite illustrious as to what is good yet it seems so evil. P.S. In the end, knowing you Domino, you might come back and ask why create the universe so slowly and not in 7 days so that imperfection and suffering do not last long, etc. Then I would tell you to go and ask that question to God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 I will try to find something for you that I have read quite illustrious as to what is good yet it seems so evil.Here it is Domino, something by Sri Chinmoy. So now tell me what is good and bad in your opinion. Krishna, The Widow And Her Cow Sometimes when we are in utter difficulty, the Grace of God acts in a very peculiar way. We feel that God becomes more cruel when we are in difficulties and sufferings. Let me illustrate this to you with a story. Sri Krishna and Arjuna once were guests of a widow. The widow had no children, nobody. She was all alone. But she had a cow. This cow was her only means of support. She used to sell milk, and by selling milk she used to maintain her life. She was a great devotee of Sri Krishna. When Sri Krishna and Arjuna went to visit her in disguise, incognito, she was so happy to see these two divine guests. She fed them with whatever she had in her house. Sri Krishna was extremely pleased with her surrendering attitude and her devotion. On their way back, Arjuna said to Krishna, “You were so pleased with her. Why didn’t you grant her a boon? Why didn’t you tell her that she would be prosperous soon, now that you are pleased with her? ” “I have already granted her the boon that her cow must die tomorrow.” “What? Her only means of support? She has only the cow, and nothing else. Without the cow how can she live on earth?” Krishna answered, “You don’t understand me. She always thinks of the cow. The cow has to be fed, has to milked, has to be bathed and so forth. I want her only to think of me, and when the cow is gone, she will think of me all the time, twenty-four hours. Then soon the time will be right for me to take her away from this world, and after a few years I will give her a better and more fulfilling incarnation. When she has nobody on earth, not even the cow, she will try and spend all her time, day and night, in devoting herself to me. Otherwise, this way she will linger on earth and constantly think of the cow and not of me.” So Sri Krishna’s ways are inscrutable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mher Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Sasun What would have been the mining of God, if there were no evil? Think about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 On August 20th 2003, "Domino" stated: I deny the existance of matter, as "something" realhttp://armenians.com/forum/index.php?showt...pic=6851&st=100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Sasun What would have been the mining of God, if there were no evil? Think about it! If you are asking the meaning of God to us individually, then each individual might understand differently the meaning of God. For me God is always good whether or not there is evil. God's meaning doesn't depend on the presence of evil. When the end of the world comes there would no longer be any evil. Does that mean God will have no meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Domino, I think I have answered your question in a different thread. This is a philosophical explanation. Of course, everything good and bad are created by God, there is nothing that has not to do with God. However, that doesn't mean that God is bad. The reason of evil is imperfection of the universe. You might ask, if God is good then why is his universe imperfect? The answer is the creation of the universe has not completed yet. There is still a long long time to come before the universe is completed and perfect. We human beings have a limited lifespan, therefore we are in hurry to see perfection. But God is never in hurry because he is immortal. He can tace as much time as he likes.God is absolute perfection. If you think it this way, the reason of evil is the lack of perfection, that is lack of God. So it is wrong to say that God created evil things to punish men. So to blame God for evil is like being too impatient Have some patience Domino, instead of inventing silly things Having said this, not everything that seems evil to us is actually evil. There are a lot of things that are just but we thing that they are not just. The key is our dual identity. There is the soul, and there is the ego. What is good for the ego is most of the time if not always bad for the soul. And what is good for the soul we might call it evil. I don't mean to generalize anything, it all depends on the circumstances and specifics. God's Will is the best thing for our soul. But we don't know God's Will (or in your case there is no such a thing). I will try to find something for you that I have read quite illustrious as to what is good yet it seems so evil. P.S. In the end, knowing you Domino, you might come back and ask why create the universe so slowly and not in 7 days so that imperfection and suffering do not last long, etc. Then I would tell you to go and ask that question to God But what you propose does not respect the aw of conservation. Right? Axel, are you implying that I am contradicting myself, when I say that sinces Universes can not exist, they can't act like neurons? If this is what you imply, I may very well answer to you, that neurons do not exist as well, and they act as neurons. So I am not contradicting myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 But what you propose does not respect the aw of conservation. Right? Care to clarify what you mean? I dont think I said anything about the law of conservation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Sasun, if perfection is increasing, starting from point 0... God is not respecting the law of conservation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Sasun, if perfection is increasing, starting from point 0... God is not respecting the law of conservation. Still not clear... what law are your referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Sasun, you said in the past that God was self-creating and that we are part of god... there should therefore be no limit to self-creation, that would mean that more God self-creat himself, less order there should be, because the order that is created is lost by being diluted by new creations, so he must accelerate his work of ordering in order to compensate that. If he does that, than there will be no end where all will be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Sasun, you said in the past that God was self-creating and that we are part of god... there should therefore be no limit to self-creation, that would mean that more God self-creat himself, less order there should be, because the order that is created is lost by being diluted by new creations, so he must accelerate his work of ordering in order to compensate that. If he does that, than there will be no end where all will be perfect. You are just hypethesizing. How do you know the order will be lost by new creation (but I didn't say that new things are created - I just don't know). What is order? Are you sure what you call order is really order? And what does it have to do with the law of conservation? Let me clarify what I meant: all that there is in the physical world is the manifestation of God. In other words, once upon a time (actually there was no time at that "time") God decided to manifest itself through a universe. That was the start of the creation of universe, time started to exist, etc. Its not like God is standing aside the universe and creating/manipulating it, God is the universe (but not just the universe). Domino, as long as you assume that the universe is what is known to science you will always be mistaken in your conclusions. You know very well that there have always been new discoveries, surprises in physics, so why are you assuming that God should obey the laws that we know of, but not the laws that we don't know. The best way to know things is to discover the knowledge of your soul. Because the soul is a conscious part of God, all things that God has done the soul knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Here is something brief if you are wondering what on earth I am talking about http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/yoga/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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