hyebruin Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 angel jan hate to break it to you but nothing miraculous happens after 25 either! i'd say these days it takes as much time as 3.5-4 decades for boys to develop into men....just the cold hard facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margogan Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 Hamel urish azgeri txamardik shat aveli parzen u tetev andznavorutunneren isk hay txerki mej endhakarakna hech parz chen u tetevel chen irants eutiamb. Huisovem vor batsatretsi aveli parz.... aha da e patchare vor mer lavaguin tgherqe amusnanum en urish azgi axchikerqi het...vorovhetev nranq parzen u shut khandzneven! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 angel jan hate to break it to you but nothing miraculous happens after 25 either! i'd say these days it takes as much time as 3.5-4 decades for boys to develop into men....just the cold hard facts! thanx brooster jan.... im comin 2 realize that but dont want 2 admit it- theres noo hope for theem...theyre too deep into the wormhole of immaturity or selfishness i guess....the only thing that can drag them out is i wont say.... lets just say we all know whats on a guy's mind 24/7...most guys...thats when they forget to think with their brain and begin using other not so reliable anatomical attributes of the male body...per se ..... ahh the world suxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 The foundation of a solid relationship is based on trust! This kind of relationship is very precious, and hard to come by. It would be very stupid to cheat on your significant other knowing full well that she/he might never forgive you. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitterSweet Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 (edited) hey guys  But don't "throw the baby out with the bathwater". Every circumstance is different, so getting yourself into a mindset that cheating must be absolutely unforgivable is a dangerous thing. Perhaps such a relationship could be salvaged. It depends on the people involved, and if they think their relationship worth surviving. Everyone does stupid things sometimes. Absolute perfection in someone is never going to be found - and anyone who thinks they have found such a perfect being are probably in for a rude awakening at some point in their relationship. Being unfaithful to someone is not something I would ever consider doing (I hope), but I could (and have) consider overlooking it when I have been cheated on. But if a partner indulges in repeated cheating, knowing the hurt it causes, then it is time to call it a day and move on. I couldnt agree with you more. People are human, nobody is perfect, and things do happen... it's heavily dependent on the situation. ALso, when you're married with kids, it's not that easy to just kick him out & never think twice. Mainly for the sake of the kids. I think there's two sorts of cheating, 1) there's long term cheating, like him cheating with the secretary for the past 2 years 2) there's one night, STUPID, moronic, drunk, idiotic, once in a lifetime mistake cheating. (very rare)  given situation #2, I'd give him a second chance. anyway... afterwards, if i had even the SMALLEST doubt that he was cheating on me again, I would hire a detective that would give proof of this... and I'd never forgive him again. Edited April 9, 2004 by BitterSweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Kind of interesting how this thread about cheating has turned into an estrogen fest! So now to try to bring the other perspective into this... I personally really couldn't care less if someone was "cheating" on me ... but I would prefer to know about it rather than not to know. In the end, two things can happen ... 1) she realizes she's got the real deal already and come back (most likely to happen)  2) she'll have found something better and move on ... in which case everyone will be happy. Because probably the reason she started to cheat on me to begin with was due to something I wasn't able to provide and that would just be a pretty depressing way to live the rest of your life if you ask me. So all in all, I really have no problem with "cheating" (whatever that means) but as I said, I would MUCH prefer it be open than hidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 (edited) you are married partners, can you make sex (not making love but brute sex)with your own wife like you can do with a stranger? can you do sex with your own husband as you do with a stranger? most men love their wives so much that they think of brute sex as an abusive act towards their wives.this will limit the imagination and enjoyment. making sex , married partners should peel of their identities and put them aside,they must become mere unidentifyed "bodies",no limits no boundries, let the imagination go loose,there must be no scorn if names are shouted imaginative partners brought in!! when you are in that room there are no taboos .but once out ,as if nothing have happened each to his/her normal life. you just cannot afford sex to become a monotone in married life, if you women want to enjoy your married sexual life and keep him away from extramarital adventures let that leash go loose as much as possible from your husbans throat,but beware dont remove it completely!!! by the way all males are geneticaly constructed the same way(even the animals)ethnicity doesnt apply here!!. Edited April 9, 2004 by mx5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Anka_ Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 I don't understand why men look for wild rides (sexually) with other women but not with their wives? I would get a divorce from my husband if I knew that he goes on a wild rides with other women but when it comes to me, his wife, he only provides the same lame sex that he always does. I don't think that it's fair. I'm tired of hearing the same old phrase about men not being ably to fullfill their fantasies with their own wives that they have to find some stranger do it with. I think that if a man loves his wife and cares enough for her he would cause the same pleasure and have the same wild ride with his wife instead of making another woman satisfied and happy. That's just an excuse that men use to cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 In this context, wild by definition kinda implies out of the ordinary ... It would be rather impossible to be "wild" with your wife as even if you include circus clowns, trapese artists, and midgets with baloons, it will become ordinary after a few years thus creating a need for the "wild" ... ... maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 it will become ordinary after a few years thus creating a need for the "wild" ... ... maybe? What are you implying here??? That it's acceptable for the husband to cheat on his wife once sex becomes "ordinary"??? IIIIIIII don't think so, it's inexcusable for both the male and the female to cheat on their spouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 ... it's inexcusable for both the male and the female to cheat on their spouse. Well, that is something between you and your husband to decide. I don't think we have any right to tell ALL husbands and wives what they can and cannot do. I think this thread is asking more in general. By the way, you make me sound like a chauvinist by saying "husband cheating on wife" (but I know you didn't mean it like that ) ... For the record, I never singled out a specific sex as I think both sexes are equal in such matters. In the end, it is up to the couple to decide how they want to live their lives and what is ok and not ok for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Oh and I also didn't say what is acceptable and not in that post about "wild" ... only trying to point out that I can imagine the "need for wild" manifesting itself in some shape or form after years of monotony. Obviously I haven't been there myself so I am only guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 By the way, you make me sound like a chauvinist by saying "husband cheating on wife" (but I know you didn't mean it like that ) Your right, I didn't mean it that way, as I don't know you very well Just don't understand how anything could get ordinary just because your married. Marriage doesn't make anything ordinary, people do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Well, that is something between you and your husband to decide. I don't think we have any right to tell ALL husbands and wives what they can and cannot do. I think this thread is asking more in general. By the way, you make me sound like a chauvinist by saying "husband cheating on wife" (but I know you didn't mean it like that ) ... For the record, I never singled out a specific sex as I think both sexes are equal in such matters. In the end, it is up to the couple to decide how they want to live their lives and what is ok and not ok for them. ok.. i soo dont mean to hurt or sound liek im calling people names.. but... that kidn of mentality, seriously sounds stupid to me... thats because it is suggesting, if people (husband and wife) find it ok for eachother to sleep with other people then its their decision, and its not wrong.. for them..  that is the kind of thinking which as been squeezed out of cultural relativism... how on earth can we possibly say if someone says cheating is right or ok.. then it is.. atleast for themm is there no foundation of morality at all>>???/ its kinda sick to think about it.. and.. im sorry if this is an assumption from your post, which isnt your view.. either way im not pointing to anyone.. just that this type of thinking is apparant in our "moraly dead" society! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Gevo, last time I checked you live in the US. In other words, "your morals" should not be telling what two adults want to do in their bedrooms behind closed doors. That is what a free society is supposed to be. Â By the way, since we are starting to go down this line of discussion, I want to point out that "cheating" in my opinion is only cheating if it is kept hidden. Thus, I do disagree with the practice of cheating in a marriage that is supposed to be based on trust. But on the same token, I do not think there is anything wrong with a married couple that chooses to be NOT monogamous. It is their choice ... none of my business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 i pray to god our next president is a super cool conservative who will whip some sense back into our fragmented "free thinking" u.s. society! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 By the way, since we are starting to go down this line of discussion, I want to point out that "cheating" in my opinion is only cheating if it is kept hidden. Thus, I do disagree with the practice of cheating in a marriage that is supposed to be based on trust. But on the same token, I do not think there is anything wrong with a married couple that chooses to be NOT monogamous. It is their choice ... none of my business. You know, I find I've been thinking along the same lines, reading this thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 i pray to god our next president is a super cool conservative who will whip some sense back into our fragmented "free thinking" u.s. society! Such as putting up the Ten Commandments everywhere and outlawing abortion and contraception? Wouldn't it be jolly nice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gevo27 Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 (edited) Gevo, last time I checked you live in the US. In other words, "your morals" should not be telling what two adults want to do in their bedrooms behind closed doors. That is what a free society is supposed to be.  By the way, since we are starting to go down this line of discussion, I want to point out that "cheating" in my opinion is only cheating if it is kept hidden. Thus, I do disagree with the practice of cheating in a marriage that is supposed to be based on trust. But on the same token, I do not think there is anything wrong with a married couple that chooses to be NOT monogamous. It is their choice ... none of my business. i cant beleive i am actualy hearing/reading this... sip.. are you seriously suggesting.. if i were to get married and have an "understanding" with my wife that we can sleep with other people its ok.. and for what?? for the sake of being open minded? for the sake of tasting diff flavor?? as some people like to put it.. its demoralizing.. how can you guys possibly think this way.. i am shokced.. and i dont give a sh** if this sounds "narrow-minded" or whatever.. im just completely shocked to see that a certain percentage out of a group/population beleive this is "ok" or this is "not bad"... whats next?? i mean who the hell needs marriage in the first place.. sh** what is marriage if you can have sex with anyone you want as long as you have an understanding with your spouse.. this is BULSHI**   and stormig: Such as putting up the Ten Commandments everywhere and outlawing abortion and contraception? Wouldn't it be jolly nice. damn right..!!!!!!!!!! why the hell are you guys afraid of the ten commandments.. cause it doesnt suggest sexual immoralty against your spoues.. ??? Edited April 10, 2004 by gevo27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 i cant beleive i am actualy hearing/reaing this... sip.. are you seriously suggesting.. if i were to get married and have an "understanding" with my wife that we can sleep with other people its ok.. and for what?? for the sake of being open minded? for the sake of tsating diff flavor?? as some people like to put it.. its demoralizing.. how can you guys possibly think this way.. i am shokced.. and i dont give a sh** if this sounds "narrow-minded" or whatvber.. im just copletely shocked to see that a certain percentage out of a group/population beleive this is "ok" or thi is "not bad"... whats next?? i mean who the hell needs marriage in the first place.. sh** what is marriage if you can have sex with anyone you want as long as you have an understanding with your spouse.. this is BULSHI**   and stormig:  damn right..!!!!!!!!!! why the hell are you guys afraid of the ten commandments.. cause it doesnt suggest sexual immoralty against your spoues.. ??? Gevo, if it doesn't harm anyone - INCLUDING the spouses - what is your problem? BTW, after the Ten Commandments, I'd like to see something from Islam alongside it as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Storming and Sip, What is the purpose of marriage? Its to love and spend the rest of your life with them right? To raise a family with this individual. Why would anyone get married if they're going to commit adultery??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 BTW, after the Ten Commandments, I'd like to see something from Islam alongside it as well... If you say this then you have no idea what the real arguement against the ten commandments is about.. .... and not in the context of this thread to discuss.. so try to find out .. HINT: origins  and.. how does it not hurt either spouse?? why get married if your gonna sleep around? it makes absolutely no snese.. oi mean sleeping around is bad enoguh.. now its ok to sleep around as your married.. wow.. i shoal not return here.. not this topic... its rediculouse.. and the outcome of very narrow minded (disguised under the term "open-minded" ideas.. and the affects of cultural relativism has spurred and made evident here.. its disgusting. )  bye bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Storming and Sip, What is the purpose of marriage? Its to love and spend the rest of your life with them right? To raise a family with this individual. Why would anyone get married if they're going to commit adultery??? Extra, the purpose of marriage for us may be just that, but for others it may not be. What is to be done about that? At any rate, I don't like it being made an issue and put out in front of me - like Sip says - none of our business. Too much time spent with it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 I do not think there is anything wrong with a married couple that chooses to be NOT monogamous. It is their choice ... none of my business. Yes, Sip, they've got a word for people like that.... They're called swingers. Who in their right mind would agree to such immoral act. People like that shouldn't get married. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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