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[Armat]

88 Years After the Genocide,

Turks Still Persecuting Armenians

 

By Harut Sassounian

Publisher, The California Courier

 

The Turkish government and its apologists often try to cover up the

persecution of minorities in Turkey by pointing to flattering statements

made under duress by the cowering leaders of non-Turkish communities.

The fact is that minorities in Turkey, including Armenians, Assyrians,

Greeks, Jews and Kurds, are not only deprived of their basic civil rights,

but live in such fear that they dare not speak out about their

oppressed conditions, lest they be arrested or worse!

This is the reason why when Western officials meet with the leaders of

these communities in Turkey, they hear nothing but praise despite the

government's repressive policies toward the minorities.

While members of minority groups keep their mouths shut fearing for their

very lives, a handful of Turkish human rights activists put their own lives

on the line by daring to expose the deprivations suffered not just by

ethnic communities, but by almost all Turks. Despite the self-proclaimed

reforms undertaken by the Turkish government in recent months to meet the

requirements for membership in the European Union, many of these Turkish

activists are still languishing in jail!

Once in a blue moon, however, a foolhardy minority member takes the

imprudent step of coming forward to denounce the harassment he or she is

suffering at the hands of the Turkish authorities. One such courageous soul

is Caroline Jamgeuz, an Armenian pharmacist in Bahchesaray, in the region

of Van, who despite her Turkified name, is still persecuted because of her

Armenian origin.

Jamgeuz recently told the Turkish press that due to her Armenian ancestry,

she had been harassed for years by various government officials. Before

settling in Bahchesaray, where she opened a pharmacy, she had been going

from town to town to escape accusations that she was a member of illegal

organizations. She was even thrown in jail. "In Turkey, anyone who is not a

Turk is constantly harassed," she said. "And

if you happen to be an Armenian, you almost don't have the right to live."

Jamgeuz said, "I have been moving around the country for several years. But

the government always harassed me because of my Armenian heritage. I

finally settled in Bahchesaray and opened a pharmacy because there are a

number of elderly Armenians living in this town. However, the pressures

against me did not stop. The boycott against my business continued here

too. Most of the military officers serving in this area are affiliated with

Milli Hareket Party. The Commanders tell the village guards and other

officials, 'if you buy medicine from Caroline's pharmacy, we will take away

your weapons and fire you.' Despite the fact that I have a license from the

government to sell medicine, no one dares to buy any medicine from me. My

customers are constantly threatened. Wherever I open a pharmacy, a group of

thugs immediately show up to harass me."

She said that the authorities are now trying to force her out of business

by preventing new shipments of medicines from reaching her pharmacy, so she

would not have anything to sell.

Jamgeuz said that when she had a pharmacy in Kars, she was falsely accused

of being a member of the PKK (outlawed Kurdish group) and thrown in jail

for 3.5 months. She had moved to Kars to escape from harassment in

Istanbul. After being released from jail, she lived in Erzeroum and

Erzingan where she was again jailed for 3.5 months.

She said that at the pharmacy she owned in Istanbul, two police cars were

always in front of her store, 24 hours a day. She was accused of harboring

anti-Turkish feelings. They said that she was a member of an

Armenian terrorist organization. Eventually, they succeeded in driving her

into bankruptcy. She ended her tragic story by asking, "Is being an

Armenian a crime in Turkey?"

Given the brutal nature of the Turkish regime, Caroline Jamgeuz's real

troubles may just be beginning, now that she has gone public with her story

of harassment and intimidation! European and American human rights

organizations and western government officials should closely monitor her

situation to guarantee her personal safety.

Eighty-eight years after the Genocide, the Turkish government is not just

denying the past, but continuing to carry out the persecution of the

remnants of the Armenian population until not a single Armenian remains in

Turkey, as Talaat, the mastermind of the Genocide, had ruthlessly avowed!

[bellthecat]

Though, (according to a truck driver anyway I and TR got a lift from) there is an Armenian who owns a brick (probably concete block?) factory in Tatvan.

[gamavor]

I'm sure guys you have heard about the principle of reciprocity in international law. Here is a small example how it works.

 

Some time ago, there were two turkish guys visiting frequently the Starbucks coffee shop that I go and see some friends. One of my friends knew them and told me that they have a small business ( gas station) and that they experience some financial problems at the moment. One day, while at Starbuck I have seen again these two turkish guys, talking loudly in turkish which annoyed me. My friend (knowing me well) warned me not to do something stupid, said just don't pay attention. I went over to their table and said that I don't like them. I haven't threatened them, nor I said something derogatory, just told them "I don't like you". Both of them stared at me and that was it. I went back to my table and after 5 minutes without further inquiring without finishing their coffee they left. Wise move. My friend asked me what I told them, and I said that I just gave them my business cart in case they need legal help.

Since then I have never seen them again.

[America-Hye]

Gamavor,

 

Why do you provoke them?? Esheg!! Our issues are not with these individual Turks sitting in a cafe. When Turks meet me and find out that I am Armenian, they think that I want to kill them. YOU create a situation where we are SITTING DUCKS for Turks retaliation. It is dans-kloochs like you that set the stage for the Turks who poisoned my food in an office refrigerator.

[gamavor]

[Accelerated]

.....the Turks who poisoned my food in an office refrigerator.

 

....ahahahahahahahah!

[America-Hye]

Juggs, are you an esheg or a gabig???????????

[Azat]

Juggs, are you an esheg or a gabig???????????

Common Hagarag. Why are you calling people these names?

[America-Hye]

Accelerated is a young person who, as a member of his generation, has no respect.

[America-Hye]

Glenn-Dude,

 

 

I have studied and written on General Patton. I believe that you are very unfamiliar with Armenains. They do not break easily because they have been honed like steel for hundreds of years under the oppressive Turkish yoke.

[Accelerated]

Accelerated is a young person who, as a member of his generation, has no respect.

 

My father once said to me (along the lines of): "I have bought you up to respect all people older than yourself, and you do. But I may have been wrong to have done that, some people simply dont deserve any respect!"

[America-Hye]

Accelerated,

 

You have the cultural conditioning of a conservative. There are certain classes of people who you will never respect.

[Accelerated]

HERE'S SOMETHING ARMENIANS NEVER HAD & NEVER WILL .

 

We had someone better - Bagramian. Besides, Patten was an imbecile, like yourself.

 

PS. Moderators, his post should be deleted.....

 

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Bet Hagarag thinks the same about all yours --Sip

[Accelerated]

Bet Hagarag thinks the same about all yours  --Sip

 

I was referring to Glens post: its inflamatory

[Accelerated]

Thats your fellow American for you Sip, and you call it a 'community' BS!

[Sip]

Several "Glen-dude" posts removed due to content.

 

And I see he still hasn't figured out the use of caps-lock even after my explicit instructions that even a 3-year old would be able to follow. Shame. It's really not that hard.

[America-Hye]

Accelerated, as I stated in the other thread, no American would ever use the word "loozer." This moron is not an American, I don't know where he got the name "Glenn." Probably from some American soldier stationed in his country. And the American dialect he is trying to imitate is of some yahoo ffrom some rural Southern town. He is not fooling me.

[Sip]

Thats your fellow American for you Sip, and you call it a 'community' BS!

Oh my GOD! Did the great Accelerator just judge a whole group based on a single person of questionable (and obviously quite limited) intellect? I am shocked.

 

[DominO123]

Accelerated, as I stated in the other thread, no American would ever use the word "loozer." This moron is not an American, I don't know where he got the name "Glenn." Probably from some American soldier stationed in his country. And the American dialect he is trying to imitate is of some yahoo ffrom some rural Southern town. He is not fooling me.

Like I said on the other thread, I believe this guy is an Armenian trying to have a good laught by passing as a Turk. This guy suppose that the genocide did happen, if he would be such a Turk, he won't show the agressivity he is showing here... this is why I smell fakeness here.

Edited September 15, 2003 by Fadix

[Sasun]

Guys, why does this guy have to be Armenian or Turk? Consider Georgian or other nationalities... I have come across to a Georgian in a forum with exactly the same attitude and not using 'so called' with the word 'genocide'. There was also one Serbian (or Pole, I forget?) with a little better attitude but still hostile. Edited September 15, 2003 by Sasun

[Accelerated]

trying to have a good laught by passing as a Turk.

 

If he was trying to pass as anyone, it would be American. Why else would he be quoting/proud of an imbicile like Patton?

 

Oh my GOD! Did the great Accelerator just judge a whole group based on a single person of questionable (and obviously quite limited) intellect? I am shocked.

 

Sip, he isnt the only one who thinks that way, and I only bought it up because of what you were saying in the other thread: a half-Armo half-Black being part of an imaginery American community

[gamavor]

What is this Glenn business? Did I miss to offend somebody today?

 

We need to put a sign on Hye Forum that all bastards are welcome.

[gamavor]

Gamavor,

 

Why do you provoke them?? Esheg!! Our issues are not with these individual Turks sitting in a cafe. When Turks meet me and find out that I am Armenian, they think that I want to kill them. YOU create a situation where we are SITTING DUCKS for Turks retaliation. It is dans-kloochs like you that set the stage for the Turks who poisoned my food in an office refrigerator.

I'm far from setting a stage yet! I do not plan Bartholomew night for all 364 154 turks (I promise not to reveal their SSNs) residing in US, but if they behave like pigs they will get it. And hey, I had witness that the turk insulted me. Guess who they would believe when we go to do police precinct when I told them that I was attacked by a Moslem and all I did was self-defense?

[Sasun]

I'm sure guys you have heard about the principle of reciprocity in international law. Here is a small example how it works.

 

Some time ago, there were two turkish guys visiting frequently the Starbucks coffee shop that I go and see some friends. One of my friends knew them and told me that they have a small business ( gas station) and that they experience some financial problems at the moment. One day, while at Starbuck I have seen again these two turkish guys, talking loudly in turkish which annoyed me. My friend (knowing me well) warned me not to do something stupid, said just don't pay attention. I went over to their table and said that I don't like them. I haven't threatened them, nor I said something derogatory, just told them "I don't like you". Both of them stared at me and that was it. I went back to my table and after 5 minutes without further inquiring without finishing their coffee they left. Wise move. My friend asked me what I told them, and I said that I just gave them my business cart in case they need legal help.

Since then I have never seen them again.

He he he Sometimes we come accross with really sensitive Turks. I was once waiting in a waiting room. Some tall guy approached with a happy face, sat down next to me and asked where I was from. I said I was from Armenia. Suddenly he got a really long face. I was already guessing that he was a Turk. He didn't say anything. After an uncomfortable pause I asked where he was from. He said he was from Turkey, but I could feel he didn't want to say. Then he just left. I was a bit puzzled why he behaved in such an unexpected way. Later on I realized only a few days ago France had recognized our genocide and a lot of Turks were terribly upset. So this guy couldn't stand me.

[gamavor]

Yes! They are cowards. They fear us as hell. That was my second encounter with a turk in town. The first one was long time ago in a popular local bar. This turk was talking to an arab that I knew. I didn't know that this guy is a turk, so they were discussing how to approach a girl that the turk liked. He had no "balls" to approach her and as a joke without knowing that he is a turk I said "Are you a freaking turk". The guy left with a face burning in red. After a while the arab guy asked me how I did know that he is a turk. He, He, He..... Edited September 15, 2003 by gamavor