America-Hye Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Just south of Los Angeles is a land where the majority of persons claim that they are Christians. They exhibit, however, few of the traits of REAL Christians, namely charity, tolerance and love of their fellow human beings. Avarice is the code word there. They purport to be Christians but display all the modus operandi of heathens. Included in this group is the head of an eyecare project in Armenia. I would not even give this physician the time of day, much less a donation for his project. I prefer to give it to odar oganizations operating in Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 (edited) Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged." Romans 2:3, "And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?" judge ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jj)v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es v. tr."To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation." hy·poc·ri·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies "The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess." Congratulations, you hypocrite! You just crapped over your entire rant, and once again showed why no one listens to you! Way to go! Edited September 3, 2003 by KnightOfArmenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Judging is based upon one's perceptions. EXPERIENCE, however, is a TOTALLY different matter. I KNOW you conservatives to a "T." I KNOW what you are. I do not need to JUDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Since I don't care at all what you think you KNOW, I'm again repeating the dictionary definition of "judge," rather than what you, in your arrogance, try to give as the definition of a word that is older than you. Friggin' incredible that you say "no, that is a wrong definition, what *I* think is the right definition!" judge ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jj)v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es v. tr."To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation." Oh, and I'm a liberal Kucinich volunteer. Stop judging people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 There are at least seven meanings of the word "judge." YOU have chosen one meaning. When one's life is ravaged by another, their reaction goes well beyond the meaning of the word "judge." As for Kucinich, He is in the nature of Nader, a SPOILER. Insuring that King George is again anointed in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtashesM Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 I'm rather new to this forum, so, I don't quite know if my comments on this thread are welcome or not. Nevertheless, the following may shed some Light on the apparent dispute. In Esoteric Christian terminology, the word "judgment" in and of itself is value free. It depends on the state of mind of the person doing the "judging". If the state of mind is that of being informed by the Holy Spirit, often, it is called the "Judgment of the Holy Spirit" and it is a constructive, healing mental act; however, if the state of mind is being informed by the ego, it is called the equivalent of a "projection" and is the "negative" judgment that is spoken of by JC in the New Testament, which is quite blind. The bottom line with any exchange is that it is to have a healing result. What are the results you're looking for? Personal disputes are a fact of everyday life; they should not be white-washed. However, nor should they be empowered to persist, if one can resolve them, or if one can attempt to resolve them. I don’t mean to sound like Rodney King now, but, it seems to me that as Armenians, we can use all the unity we can muster now, if we are to further thrive in this world - the potential reflector of Heaven. Use your personal disputes as a mechanism to further unify us. AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 I'm rather new to this forum, so, I don't quite know if my comments on this thread are welcome or not. Nevertheless, the following may shed some Light on the apparent dispute. Dear Artashes, welcome to hyeForum and be assured that your comments are welcome everywhere here(as long ar they are not insulting towards other members. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 When the larger majority of your ethnic group has been murdered or your small children have been forceably adopted into an alien culture, it is IMPERATIVE that no existing member of that group be shunned. We NEED all the help and numbers we can muster, as well as gaining support outside our small ethnic group (e.g. European nations). Therefore, breaking down the xenophobia inherent in our culture is IMPERATIVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 No doubt your relentless efforts are a major impulse towards that. Congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Boghos, I just insulted you in the other thread, and NOW you finally understand my motives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 I don’t mean to sound like Rodney King now, but, it seems to me that as Armenians, we can use all the unity we can muster now, if we are to further thrive in this world ... Welcome to the forum! And don't worry ... even though you do sound like Rodney King (just kidding just kidding) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 The only use of Diaspora is this: http://www.himnadram.org/ All the rest is just hollow rhethoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 I don't quite believe that, gamavor. Diaspora is also useful for swaying international opinion; I'm sure that you don't think the Armenian community in Europe had nothing to do with the general European recognition of the Genocide. Or, as in the States, we do as much as we can so the general population know the truth, which, when an alliance starts to go sour (such as the US-turkish alliance is), the public opinion sways towards us faster than it otherwise would. As I've often said... I sincerely hate George W. Bush. But if he were to summon an international coalition to march on the turks, I'd join the USMC the next day. Ohh... Can you picture it? US Patriot Missiles slamming down into Ankara, Armenian and Greek "coalition" troops marching in to restore order in the area. I wouldn't give one fig that the Fatherland would be playing second fiddle, and marching on the orders of Washington; the ends justify the means in this particular case, and if saying "yes" to Bush means getting Greater Armenia back, I'm all for it. We'd have eternity to build up our population and flex our muscle in the area after the Tricolor flies in Van again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Oh, and america-hye: "They purport to be Christians but display all the modus operandi of heathens. Included in this group is the head of an eyecare project in Armenia." is in direct contrast with "...it is IMPERATIVE that no existing member of that group be shunned." Stop contradicting yourself and at least stand by what you say, you hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 No need to name-call. Please. This goes for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 The only reason I call him "hypocrite" is because he says two completely polarized things in a single thread; he talks about (what I assume) is a large Armenian community (Glendale, I think, but I'm not sure) and how everyone there is a heathen and not a Christian (because Lord knows only he is a Christian and anyone who disagrees with that is going to Hell!), and then turns around and says how we shouldn't single out a single member of our community because we need them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 I don't think calling names is that bad. For example Nairy is a sweetheart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 KOA, Learn your geography. Glendale sits just north of downtown Los Angeles. Orange County is approximately 40 miles southeast. The Armenan community there is a VERY small percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Knight, it's the way things are being said on this thread that makes me conclude that you're all name-calling each other. And there is no need for that or getting personal. There's plenty of other ways to get a point across without being hostile. And again, this goes for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 As I've often said... I sincerely hate George W. Bush. But if he were to summon an international coalition to march on the turks, I'd join the USMC the next day. Ohh... Can you picture it? US Patriot Missiles slamming down into Ankara, Armenian and Greek "coalition" troops marching in to restore order in the area. I wouldn't give one fig that the Fatherland would be playing second fiddle, and marching on the orders of Washington; the ends justify the means in this particular case, and if saying "yes" to Bush means getting Greater Armenia back, I'm all for it. We'd have eternity to build up our population and flex our muscle in the area after the Tricolor flies in Van again. Yes I can picture it - and the thought sickens me - really and truly. You would advocate/dream of the murder and suffering of millions of innocents - for what? To get some land back? Do I really need to go into all the reasons why what you advocate is not a nice thing (and very un-Christian of you etc)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Meh. I'm a nationalist before I'm anything else; to those who have grown deaf to the call of the mountains, it may just be "land," but to me, it is the personification of four thousand years of our continued existence. And for that, I would not only advocate armed struggle, but would fight to the death myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Meh. I'm a nationalist before I'm anything else; to those who have grown deaf to the call of the mountains, it may just be "land," but to me, it is the personification of four thousand years of our continued existence. And for that, I would not only advocate armed struggle, but would fight to the death myself. I understand that there are lots of mountains in California...West Virginia even... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 KOA, I too am a nationalist but as a christian, I cannot agree with this: "the ends justify the means". This is totally unreligious, I would say atheistic. In a religious perspective, it is the path that matters not the (earthly) goal. In any circumstance, the corruption that would follow from using unethical means would make our noble end unreachable (the end we might reach would have nothing to do with the initial one). This is precisely the problem with contemporary judaism/zionism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 What part of "I'm a nationalist before I'm anything else" was unclear? Oh, you can stay here, Thoth. Sepan and Ararat call me more than the Rocky mountains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Just south of Los Angeles is a land where the majority of persons claim that they are Christians. They exhibit, however, few of the traits of REAL Christians, namely charity, tolerance and love of their fellow human beings. Avarice is the code word there. They purport to be Christians but display all the modus operandi of heathens. Included in this group is the head of an eyecare project in Armenia. I would not even give this physician the time of day, much less a donation for his project. I prefer to give it to odar oganizations operating in Armenia.Is this who you mean?http://www.eyecareproject.com/ Why are you calling him "heathen"?Is it because he uses the tools of the "hethanos" rather than perform miracles? See below one of many passages depicting of giving sight to the blind. You mean he should "spit", apply mud and heal? Don't you know that the era of miracles ended in the year 26 AD?Lastly, what it is that you know that makes so suspicious to not contrubute? Are you afraid that some may regain their sight and lose their faith in that lalaland of Armenia of their dreams? Mark.8[23] And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. I spelled "hethanos" with a "th". If you want to know why go to Language and look for Hethanos. It is beyond me how a post of this nature leads us into stupid theological debate!Can anyone cite one single instance when a theologicl debate has ended in a concensus! How many angels can dance on the head of a pin??? Only pinheads dare enter this debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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