Caucasian Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I think Kurdistan's foundation is similar to give a secret to the gossip people. Because if Kurdish government is founded, it will be the slave of US and UK. But they think they will be a second Israel in the Middle East with their coward Peshmerge's (famous with the unability of night war). But they don't know that US's sympathy to them is like a "one night stand". Until the control of the oil exactly gets to America's hand, Kurds will be left to their poor and barbaric lives back. In Turkey, attitude towards Northern Iraq is not good. And unfortunayely, Kurds use all of non-Turkish minorities in Turkey (and ours, too) in their propogandas. What do y'all think of this subject??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 26, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 No answer??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 OK - I agree that there are many (potentially negative) issues regarding the possible formation of a (land locked/beholden etc) Kurdistan etc ...however who are we to deny a people their self-determination...(for better or worse)...particualrly a people who have had a recent histoy of being supressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 ...however who are we to deny a people their self-determination...(for better or worse)...particualrly a people who have had a recent histoy of being supressed. I'd imagine the "we" are America, Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria. All countries which have not been in the slightest way reluctant to surpress people in the recent past. However, Kurds get what they deserve. To borrow a Turkish proverb told to be a few weeks ago - they are like the unlucky Arab who was buggered in the desert by a polar bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 (edited) You should read and search more about the rebellions of Kurds. The last one is the 29th Kurdish rebellion. To want independence is separate from killing innocent people for a new state. PKK's activities are completely "barbaric and non-humanic" Turks are not innocent, too but that doesn't mean that Kurds are like angels. Edited August 27, 2003 by Caucasian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 You should read and search more about the rebellions of Kurds. The last one is the 29th Kurdish rebellion. To want independence is separate from killing innocent people for a new state. PKK's activities are completely "barbaric and non-humanic" Turks are not innocent, too but that doesn't mean that Kurds are like angels. One mans rebellion is anothers striving for justice etc. I have recently seen where Turks have practiced scorched earth ploicy (in the recent past - 1938) against the Kurds...and seen what is left....burned out empty dwellings...Turks were happy when Kurds did their dirty work - but after they were not useful for killing others Turks tried to bring upon them what they had done to others (wipe out and/or assimilate). Who said anythig about the PKK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 I didn't say you said PKK When 2 words are next to each other, all of the people in Turkey remembers this. The words are : Kurd rebellion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 We Armenians were also called rebels by the Turks, but we were not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I have recently seen where Turks have practiced scorched earth ploicy (in the recent past - 1938) against the Kurds...and seen what is left....burned out empty dwellings...I have recently BEEN to where Turks have practiced scorched earth policy (in the recent past - 1990s) against the Kurds...and seen what is left....burned out empty villages... But Kurds have learned nothing. A small but enlightening example is the current proliferation of "Cola Turka" adverts throughout eastern Turkey's Kurdish areas. Does anyone think "Anglo-Cola" would be a saleable product in Ireland or Scotland? Or, even today, would anyone buy "Kola-Kaiser" in France? Sometimes dogs are treated like dogs because they are dogs. Like dogs, Kurds might howl a bit at night for their "freedom" but they, so far anyway, don't appear to put much daytime thought into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 No no no. The organisation ability is the first, and then reptileness. Kurds can not be organized because they have no unition (neither in language or idea). Kurdistan will be a puppet government, I'm sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 No no no. The organisation ability is the first, and then reptileness. Kurds can not be organized because they have no unition (neither in language or idea). Kurdistan will be a puppet government, I'm sure... Is Turkey not a puppet government? Has the military not the power above the government? Therefore, is Turkeys government not a puppet of the Kemalistic military regime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 No no no. The organisation ability is the first, and then reptileness. Kurds can not be organized because they have no unition (neither in language or idea). Kurdistan will be a puppet government, I'm sure... The very first minister for education in the newly independent Irish republic wrote "When a people posess a form of civilisation which is for it, traditional and distinctive, and when it is concious of this possession, such a people is a nation whether it be a state or no state or an agregate of states, or only a portion of a state". I do not believe that most Kurds posses that conciousness, and most do not even posess a distinctive culture now. There is a difference between conciousness and acting out of habit or custom. If enough Kurds did have that conciousness then the (unrealisable) concept of a single nation-state would not be the "be-all-and-end-all" of Kurdish political ideology. They should strive for a "cultural republic", not a political republic. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 I DON'T HAVE TO BE A TURK TO CRITISIZE THE KURDS OR THEIR POLITICAL MOVEMENTS. AND I DON'T SAY THAT TURKISH GOVERNMENT HAS TO RULE THE EARTH. I KNOW THE MISTAKES OF TURKS AND T.R. MORE THAN ALL OF YOU, OK? DON'T TRY TO RACE WITH ME ABOUT THAT SUBJECT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Mistakes???? What mistakes? Grammar mistakes, political mistakes, professional mistakes? What mistakes? Your whole nation is criminal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 I'm sayin' it again I AM NOT DEFENDING THE TURKS HERE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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