gamavor Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 Ave Ceaser, moraturi te salutant! PS: Khodja, if you have any royal ambitions it is about time to change your nickname! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted September 18, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Restoration of the Armenian monarchy will bring stability and an interesting tourist draw to Armenia. To those of us who are geneologists, it will be a boom for our business. Personally, I wish to have my title restored by the new monarch, as a member of the Cilician nobility. LONG LIVE THE ROUPENIANS AND THE HETHUMIANS!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 i would willingly accept the role of Armenian King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted September 19, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 Harut, On what grounds? I know that there are others with a lineage that gives them a better right than my family to ascend to the throne. Who the hell are you? Or does every Armenian feel that they ar entitled to usurp the throne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 i didn't say i would claim it on legal or genetical grounds.i said i would accept it, if i was offered such a honorable possition. so don't panic. i won't take your titles away from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 quote:Originally posted by khodja:Who the hell are you? Or does every Armenian feel that they ar entitled to usurp the throne?so you feel you are better than the rest of us (who don't have "royal" gens) and deserve more??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward demian Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Royalty allways initially establishes itself by extraordinary deeds. No one just gives it to you. Unfortunately, royal heirs do not allways measure up to the founders of their dynasties. You want to be a King? Go and liberate Naxichevan with a band of followers and someone will crown you King of that country. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted September 20, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Edward, There have been times in modern times that royal houses have been re-established. These persons today are figureheads and are good for tourism and public relations (news). They do not have much power. I didn't know that Palm Springs was at high altitude. Is the oxygen level low there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 quote:Originally posted by edward demian:Royalty allways initially establishes itself by extraordinary deeds. No one just gives it to you. Unfortunately, royal heirs do not allways measure up to the founders of their dynasties. You want to be a King? Go and liberate Naxichevan with a band of followers and someone will crown you King of that country. Good luck.thanks for wishes. i was just planning to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward demian Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Dear NastratinActually, Palm Springs is 200 feet below sea level.The Oxigen is not the problem it's the heat. 125F in the summer, hits 95F by 10 am.When I think of Royalty, I think of Royalty in the traditional sense. Real kings, with real power that inspire people and nations to greateness or disaster. You must be refferring to Spain and Bulgaria.I really don't know what to think about that. The Spanish monarchy came to power by a decree established by Franco. However he turned out good for the Spanish people. I suppose, Franco knew his people better than anyone realized. Only a strong leader could keep the country together. The Basks, the Catalans, the Communists, the Phalangists, the church; all pulling in differenc directions. As to the Bulgarian's electing the heir to the throne, well my guess is that the voters had to choose between the Communists, the various Pinco Social this and that. They just opted for something really different.Well the jury is still out on that. Ican't think of any other examples, can you. We have been too long without a king. It's just not part of our tradition anymore. I suppose the Surpazan is kind of a elected nobility. Well, run with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul bunyan Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 "uneasy lies the head that wears the crown" I heard that Armenians are too factionist to accept a king, see Robert Kocharian Basilous Rex!, thats why you won't find an Armenian working for another Armenian. although, they work well for odars. soooooooo, (loudly but with dignity) "Ladies, andGentlemen!, all hail! Basilious Rex!, the rightfull king of all the Armenoi!Prince of Tavoosh, Duke of Yerevan, Count of Meghri, Kunsabyl of Artsakh, Mayor of Martuni, and the Valentine of Gyumri, everyone, commoner, and nobility,...... his royal highness, BOB DOLE!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward demian Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Very goooood, Paul Bunyan. By the way, do you, like me, often wish that this format had spell check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul bunyan Posted September 24, 2001 Report Share Posted September 24, 2001 Ho Ho Ho, if Armenia needs a king they must have an Odar somebody trustworthy like Bob Dole. America could use a king too. but not Georgie Bushy junior. Forsoothe, what sayestt thou? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Hey guys, what the hell are you talking about? I hope you are joking. Monarchy in Armenia? Any country should well prepared to accept a King, in any sense prepared. What we see in Armenia is crisic in economy, politics, corruption... Who is the person you want to suggest for being a King? An armenian from Cilicia, Armenia, Russia, USA? Monarchy is a united, highly united structure. That dream is very far away from the reality.Vahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 quote:Originally posted by khodja:Restoration of the Armenian monarchy will bring stability and an interesting tourist draw to Armenia. To those of us who are geneologists, it will be a boom for our business. Personally, I wish to have my title restored by the new monarch, as a member of the Cilician nobility. LONG LIVE THE ROUPENIANS AND THE HETHUMIANS!!!!!!!!!Hagarag,I am disappointed. Unless you were joking, in which case you may be disappointed that I am so dense. For the moment, I will assume that you meant what you wrote. Nobility is initially gained almost invariably by an act of bullying or worse, combined with a huge dose of arrogance and a "leader" character. The last trait (a character that craves to lead) is nowadays an even greater asset than it used to be, even though I dislike the "side-effects" of such a personality. So, other than the "leadership" bit, all the ingredients in the character of the initiator of a line of nobility are unquestionably negative. I, for one, would not be proud of such a lineage. On the other hand, considering that the initial bully accounts only for an infinitesimal portion of the proud would-be noble's ancestry today, I wouldn't care one way or the other. Your longing for a supposedly large family fortune (which you did not earn, and seems to be the dominant component in your motivation to correct the results of the Genocide), and now a stated desire for a title of nobility leads me to think that you are suffering from a delusion of grandeur. MJ was onto something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 11, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Twilight Bark, Interesting that you resurrect this thread at this precise time. I suspect that it has something to do with my recent posts, which have NOTHING to do with this topic. You are being an enforcer to propel Armenian group-think. When someone loses the majority of their family through Genocide, this creates psychological problems. When a person living in great wealth is forced to live the remainder of their life in relative poverty, this also creates psychological problems. It is much easier psychologically to rise from poverty to wealth than the opposite. Children raised by such families will absorb all the pain of their parents and grandparents, even if the pain is not verbalized. As for delusions of grandeur, after some of your fellow Armenians make alliances with your odar enemies to destroy your life, because their extreme conservatism is more central to their lives than anything else, one is forced to cling to the past. When there is no hope for the future, the past looks better and better. If you think that you can shut me up, TB, you are sadly mistaken. The more progressive Armenians will not be shut-up anymore. Since we have gained a voice, it has greatly helped the Armenian cause. If you beat back the recent gains of the Armenian Democrats in the US, you will hurt the cause. Long live Eshoo, Harpootlian, and Armenian Democrat officeholders in California, Massachusetts and New England. Also,thank God that not all Armenian-Americans are working within the Republican Party to drive it right-ward. I KNOW exactly where you are coming from. I have dealt with these kinds of Armenians for the major portion of my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Twilight Bark,Interesting that you resurrect this thread at this precise time. I suspect that it has something to do with my recent posts, which have NOTHING to do with this topic. You are being an enforcer to propel Armenian group-think.Huh? quoteAs for delusions of grandeur, after some of your fellow Armenians make alliances with your odar enemies to destroy your life, because their extreme conservatism is more central to their lives than anything else, one is forced to cling to the past. When there is no hope for the future, the past looks better and better. Delusions of grandeur have nothing to do with clinging to the past, or nostalgy. The latter, I respect and sympathize. The former is laughable at best, repugnant at worst. quote:If you think that you can shut me up, TB, you are sadly mistaken.Huh? quote:The more progressive Armenians will not be shut-up anymore. Since we have gained a voice, it has greatly helped the Armenian cause. If you beat back the recent gains of the Armenian Democrats in the US, you will hurt the cause.Long live Eshoo, Harpootlian, and Armenian Democrat officeholders in California, Massachusetts and New England. Also,thank God that not all Armenian-Americans are working within the Republican Party to drive it right-ward.What has this got to do with anything I said?I couldn't care less about either party (or any party for that matter) even if I tried. quoteI KNOW exactly where you are coming from.You are laughably wrong.[ February 11, 2002: Message edited by: Twilight Bark ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:My initial posting stated that the restoration of the Armenian nobility would be good for tourism. I inferred that it should be for ceremonial purposes only. For ceremonial purposes only. Thanks for being merciful. The only way such a thing would promote tourism is by a slogan like "Visit the silliest country on earth! You haven't seen real bufoons if you haven't seen this country!". Or how about "Yeah, they had to invent a monarchy to look interesting, but the beaches of Lake Sevan ain't bad either!". Don't worry everyone, I am not joining the Ministry of Tourism; I'll keep my day job for now . quoteInteresting that you have twisted my comments.I did not twist your comments. Your whole proposal is the "interesting" one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 11, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 The history of the Armenian monarchy is VERY interesting. What other European?? country can count a mixture of Jews, Chinese, Mongols, Assyrians and French among it's Kings, Queens and nobility. A recent book emanating from the ROA discusses this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 quote:Originally posted by khodja:Restoration of the Armenian monarchy will bring stability and an interesting tourist draw to Armenia. To those of us who are geneologists, it will be a boom for our business. Personally, I wish to have my title restored by the new monarch, as a member of the Cilician nobility. LONG LIVE THE ROUPENIANS AND THE HETHUMIANS!!!!!!!!!only way that works is with the continuation of the Medzn Dikran line....... naturally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Mehmet, Did I tell you to go to hell today? If not -here "GO TO HELL, YOU and YOUR MONGOL, and JEWISH BROTHERS and SISTERS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 12, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Tigrannes III, Would you still feel this way if I informed you that the line of Dikran Medz and the Bagratuni line were the two Armenian royal lines which were direct descendents of Jews?The Roupenians and Hetumians were primarily Armenian-French with only periferal Jewish ancestry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 12, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Gamavor, You can't run from this. If you are Armenian these things are inside of you, mixed up with your other genes. You can tell me to go to hell all you want but it will not change the veracity of the ethnicity of our royals or our genetic makeup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Tigrannes III,Would you still feel this way if I informed you that the line of Dikran Medz and the Bagratuni line were the two Armenian royal lines which were direct descendents of Jews?The Roupenians and Hetumians were primarily Armenian-French with only periferal Jewish ancestry.so what, I'd be in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 12, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Tigrannes III, Dikran Medz was a great Armenian leader. Follow the policies of Dikran and even I could support you. Armenia has been reduced to a fraction of it's original size and it's people are scattered to every corner of the globe. Armenia under Dikran was an empire that stretched from the Mediterranean to the Caspian, and from Galilee to the Kavkaz. There was also a great cultural reanaissance under Dikran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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