nairi Posted June 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 If I type it all out, will you translate? It's about 120 pages... Give me a year or so... As for The Black Tulip, I did think of that as well, but the first thing that crossed my mind was Greek mythology. Oh and another thing that I didn't notice in reality was tulips "looking" at each other the way Shiraz writes at the end. They all just turn toward the sun and in fact start hanging to the side "back to back". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 The French word for pomegranate is translated as "hand grenade" in my french-English translation software! I think it means grained apple - with reference to the many seeds of the fruit. I was thinking - since most wild varieties of tulips would be red (well, are they???), maybe it might have something to do with ancient times when red flowers (such as the adonis and the papavera) were reputed to "worship" the mother-goddess Cybele...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Sorry culd not find the Black Tulip can you use a read one ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 (edited) Karmir Kakachner (Red Tulips) by Rouben Hakhverdian might be interesting... The beginning goes like this: Գնացին տղերքը ու կորան հեռվում Ռուբերի պայթյունը սարերն է շարժում Կարմիր կակաչները ներկել են դաշտերը Ասես լեռներից մեր արյունն է հոսում (The boys went and got lost in the distance The explosion of bombs moves the mountains Red tulips have painted the fields As if our blood is flowing from the mountains) Edited September 7, 2004 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 հրաշալի է Նաիրի ջան, իսկ դու ասումես հայերեն չես խոսում Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Ed, it's against my principles to speak Armenian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 (edited) All evidence to contrary by the way did I ever said I admire your sence of humor also? Edited September 7, 2004 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 by the way did I ever said I admire your sence of humor also? style_images/master/snapback.png Why thank you Edo Now tell us a joke in the humor section. In Armenian Please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 That really a tulip? Looks more like a papavera... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Why thank you Edo Now tell us a joke in the humor section. In Armenian Please style_images/master/snapback.png sure Lady, its done check it out at new jokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 http://www.yerevannights.com/ has an option to dedicate a song. I dedicated a song to HyeForum - Karmir Kakachner (Red Tulips) Ruben Hakverdian & Harout Pambukjian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 http://www.yerevannights.com/ has an option to dedicate a song. I dedicated a song to HyeForum - Karmir Kakachner (Red Tulips) Ruben Hakverdian & Harout Pambukjian The Tulip was originally a wild flower, growing in Central Asia. It was first cultivated by the Turks as early as 1000 AD, The flower was introduced in Western Europe and the Netherlands in the 17th century by Carolus Clusius, a famous biologist from Vienna. In the 1590’s he became the director of the Hortus Botanicus, the oldest botanical garden of Europe, in Leiden. He was hired by the University of Leiden to research medicinal plants and, while doing so, he received some bulbs from his friend, Ogier de Busbecq, the Ambassador to Constantinople (presently Istanbul). He had seen the beautiful flower called the tulip, after the Turkish word for turban, growing in the palace gardens and sent a few to Clusius for his garden in Leiden. He planted them and this was the beginning of the amazing bulb fields we see today. http://www.holland.nl/uk/holland/sights/tulips-history.html Becareful you are loving something Turkish, also Hakver=Support and Pambuk=Pamuk=cotton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 The Tulip was originally a wild flower, growing in Central Asia. It was first cultivated by the Turks as early as 1000 AD, The flower was introduced in Western Europe and the Netherlands in the 17th century by Carolus Clusius, a famous biologist from Vienna. In the 1590’s he became the director of the Hortus Botanicus, the oldest botanical garden of Europe, in Leiden. He was hired by the University of Leiden to research medicinal plants and, while doing so, he received some bulbs from his friend, Ogier de Busbecq, the Ambassador to Constantinople (presently Istanbul). He had seen the beautiful flower called the tulip, after the Turkish word for turban, growing in the palace gardens and sent a few to Clusius for his garden in Leiden. He planted them and this was the beginning of the amazing bulb fields we see today. http://www.holland.nl/uk/holland/sights/tulips-history.html Becareful you are loving something Turkish, also Hakver=Support and Pambuk=Pamuk=cotton. This information is highly unlikely. Tulip was cultivated in Zoroastrian tradition long before Turks have cultivated it. The Armenians long history of 'veneration' of that flower which precede as far as historic records goes any Turkish introductions or cultivation of that flower, and Tulip tradition in Armenia preceded Christianism and probably comes from Zoroastrian period. Moore collection (the Sasanian Seals) relating to Tulips has mentions of 'Armenians' (daughter of Armenia reference, see: Sasanian Seals in the Moore Collection: Motive and Meaning in Some Popular Subjects by Christopher J. Brunner, Metropolitan Museum Journal, Vol. 14 (1979), pp. 33-50). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 (edited) The Tulip was originally a wild flower, growing in Central Asia. It was first cultivated by the Turks as early as 1000 AD Keep entertaining us! What Turks? You said that Turks are new nation created by Ataturk. Before that you were Ottomans. Turks are legal succesors of the Ottomans. As far as 1000 AD you were bunch of gypsy mongrels. Edited April 23, 2006 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Keep entertaining us! What Turks? You said that Turks are new nation created by Ataturk. Before that you were Ottomans. Turks are legal succesors of the Ottomans. As far as 1000 AD you were bunch of gypsy mongrels. Ays shunshanvortin dkhmar yev himarin megene nayev sedakhos iren arjek mi dak vor gorsevi yerta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Ays shunshanvortin dkhmar yev himarin megene nayev sedakhos iren arjek mi dak vor gorsevi yerta. Yervant, the acronym to that word (shun-shan-ordi) is SSO/ՇՇՈ/Շուն-շան-որդի, perhaps my own invention. If you were to make it more impressive you may choose to use Qatsordi/Քածորդի to have the same impact of the English exclamation of SOB. Shall we create another acronym like QO/Քոto impart the bitchy impact! Yes. That qatsordi does not deserve straight responses but ridicule, as I have been dishing out. Yet! Let us not throw the “bitches” to the dogs, so to speak. Mother canines are the most protective, and if need be, the most vicious. We have had many “mothers” who , in the traditions of “bitches” have viciously protected their “puppies”. Many stories about Armenian mothers during the Genocide, without whose “bitchy/motherly” instinctive protection many of us would not be here. Just as many American women will not hesitate to label themselves as “bitches” and act as such in the protection of their loved ones and their position in society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 SSO/ՇՇՈ/Շուն-շան-որդի[/b Qatsordi/Քածորդի to have the same impact of the English exclamation of SOB. Thanks Arpa SSO or Qatsordi is just fine with me and do not impart with the bicthy impact because this world needs that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 (edited) This information is highly unlikely. Tulip was cultivated in Zoroastrian tradition long before Turks have cultivated it. The Armenians long history of 'veneration' of that flower which precede as far as historic records goes any Turkish introductions or cultivation of that flower, and Tulip tradition in Armenia preceded Christianism and probably comes from Zoroastrian period. Moore collection (the Sasanian Seals) relating to Tulips has mentions of 'Armenians' (daughter of Armenia reference, see: Sasanian Seals in the Moore Collection: Motive and Meaning in Some Popular Subjects by Christopher J. Brunner, Metropolitan Museum Journal, Vol. 14 (1979), pp. 33-50). Well sources I found were mostly showing its background of Turkish.If you look link, you will see that it not Turkish but dutch. Plus in our history Tulips were highly respected, there is a ottoman period named as "age of tulips" long before european ones. What Turks? You said that Turks are new nation created by Ataturk. Before that you were Ottomans. Turks are legal succesors of the Ottomans. As far as 1000 AD you were bunch of gypsy mongrels. do you realy aware what are you writing? If Turks were new nation created by Ataturks, how can I claim ottomans as our ancestor. Let me make it easy for you. I hope this time you understand. We were living at middle asia, and we were calling ourself as Turks. Than we came anatolia, built ottomans, and we began to call ourself as ottoman-muslim, than ottomans colapsed and Turkey built, we began to call ourself again as Turk. isnt it easy? If you guys were urartians, we are absolutely Turk. Becoming mongrels, They accomplished a lot thing, that you cannot even dream. Edited April 24, 2006 by zurderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Becoming mongrels, They accomplished a lot thing, that you cannot even dream. Such as??? Killing millions of Christians and defacating all Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Mongol large killed muslims, not christians. or do bagdat is a christian capital? By the way, why are you caring for Europea? your are not an european. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 By the way, why are you caring for Europea? your are not an european. We care about human beings in general. You didn't answer my question? Are you proud of your ancestors killing millions of Christians and do you consider this a big achievment? Also, could you please name at least one Turkish inventor, poet, writer, scientist, composer, who has become famous without speaking, writing or acting against his race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 We care about human beings in general. Realy? so I think that you just forgot muslims killed under mongols, and remember christians.(who suffered much more less than muslims) Also remember a big part of mongolian generals were christians. I am sure you only care about human beings who are christians. Are you proud of your ancestors killing millions of Christians and do you consider this a big achievment? I am proud of blue mosque, mevlana or a lot other beauty(including tulip) created by my ancestors. are you proud of your ancestors who helped crusader murderers?do you consider this a big achivement? Also, could you please name at least one Turkish inventor, poet, writer, scientist, composer, who has become famous without speaking, writing or acting against his race? Mimar Sinan. Tarkan he is a little famous, anyway, did you ever saw any famous turkish threat at Turkish forums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 are you proud of your ancestors who helped crusader murderers?do you consider this a big achivement? Yes, because they were liberators? What have the turks liberated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Do not try to turn this into a Christian-Muslim thing. If the Ottoman Empire cared so much about their Muslim citizens, why is it that the Arab Muslims had no problem taking up arms against the Turks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Yes, because they were liberators? What have the turks liberated? Yes they liberated Jarusalem christians from their lifes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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