khodja Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Cherilyn Sarkisian, abandoned by her Fresno-born father, John Sarkisian, was later "adopted" by none other than Ahmet Ertegun, who made her what she is today. This son of a Turkish Ambassador to the U.S., whose father stopped the filming of"40 Days of Musa Dagh" took this young Armenian girl under his wing. Conservative Armenians abandon their own, only to have Turks take over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyeflyer Posted March 24, 2002 Report Share Posted March 24, 2002 Hense her famous song ,Half Breed.Isnt it strange Armenians dont believe we are capable of such things as abandoning our children.And we are taught we are the perfect people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul bunyan Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Cher's dad was apparently quite a bum.he was a habitual drug user, drunk, andwife beater. these things are very common in the United States, and of course inturkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 quote:Originally posted by highflyer:Hense her famous song ,Half Breed.Isnt it strange Armenians dont believe we are capable of such things as abandoning our children.And we are taught we are the perfect people.I personally haven't met any Armenian who believed Armenians were "incapable of doing such things". However, it is true that the behavior of Cher's father is not at all typical of an Armenian father. I would be the first to say that Armenian parenting has some serious flaws (in addition to wonderful, wonderful overall strengths), but such behavior is simply not a widespread problem; in fact it is quite rare. You are focussing on the wrong problem. Self-flagellation can be put to better use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted March 25, 2002 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Twilight Bark, In view of Armenian assimilation at a very quick pace, the children being incresingly alienated form their heritage, the Armenian nation being in economic shambles and outmigration from ROA reaching unbelievable proportions, SELF-FLAGELLATION is what our Armenian leadership should be FOCUSING upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:SELF-FLAGELLATION is what our Armenian leadership should be FOCUSING upon.True. As for the rest of us, we should focus on why we do not produce good leaders. There are cultural reasons for this, starting from the crib. We should also focus on why the few that have the right character and talents do not find (or seek) their way to the top. The trail of ancient and recent history is littered with cultures that became roadkill due to incompetent or corrupt leadership. For too long the Armenians have lived on the line separating the Darwinian winners and losers. Having said all this, I must emphasize that while realizing there is something wrong is a useful start, hastily attacking any and all things Armenian is counterproductive. The patient needs all the support and nourishment it can get. And the "cure" must make the patient better, not worse. And constantly nagging the patient about his bad health is also not very helpful. In more concrete terms, saying that conservatives should become liberals, that the liberals should get real, that the semi-literate merchants should become intellectuals, that "intellectuals" should get rid of their quotation marks, that bad leaders should become good leaders, that the corrupt bureaucracy should become true civil cervants, that self-serving community leaders should become wiser and more altruistic has a net benefit of zero, including the "benefit" that they make the utterer of those words feel better about himself. Unless the utterer analyzes the reasons behind the said diseases. Even better if one can come up with rational ways to tackle them. Saying that "I just point out the problems, and let others figure it out" is both lazy and disingenuous: someone incapable of spotting the problem is surely not up to the task of analyzing its causes, let alone coming up with a way to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted March 26, 2002 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Twilight Bark, Just look to this forum and you will see the problem very clearly. A new mmeber here, who has his own website (A.R.) has a lengthy post about me where he calls my great-grandfather "filth." This is because my great-grandfather fed Turks and Kurds as well as Armenians, the poorer ones for free. Another great-grandfather gladly paid the oppressive taxes hoisted upon thousands of Armenians. How could anyone in Ottoman Turkey have a sucessful business and not deal with Turks? Recently my late mother befriended an Armenian couple at her senior citizen complex. After this lady met me, she asked my mother why I do not associate with Armenians. She stated that I was one of few Armenian men who had actor quality. My mother told her that I had been viciously attacked in Armenian circles. There are a lot of things positive about Armenian culture. The secret is to hold on to these things and discard what is destoying us. Do you know how many people here would gladly slit my throat for memely stating the truth that Saroyan was married to a Jewish woman, TWICE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Just look to this forum and you will see the problem very clearly. A new mmeber here, who has his own website (A.R.) has a lengthy post about me where he calls my great-grandfather "filth." I think this is a forum where A.R. would be eaten alive if he were to repeat his previous performance. I for one am not sure I want to waste my time on him. Even in the absence of anyone wasting bits and bytes on him, I am sure the moderators are fully capable of handling him if he crosses the line too many times. On a side note related to the earlier discussion, I hope you understand my point that being "hagarag" is nowhere near enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirag Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 hi people.Yes uzum em mi ban asel,mer isgagan tshnaminera menk enk devagan. Es misht vakhetsel em shat vokevorvatz martgant-tsits. Asem. Menk chenk garogh sharunag asel vor khpogha odarnern en te turkera te evropatsinera te amerigatsi te rusera, mer isgagan tshnaminera menk enk vorovhetev, menk enk pajanum irarits, sarkum enk tesak tesak egeghetsiner, aylyevayl kavaragan miutiunner (orinag, Argentinaits, Californiaits, evl...) ayjm Katoghigosutiuna Anteliasi daknab e steghtzum, es masin degheag ek linelu!) Antranik zoravara erp paterazmum er hayrenikum... mer ggheragannera, ghegavarnera evayln evayln nstum ein *****nerin, taalatnerin, envernerin mot, kerukhum ein linum... Es amen erku gam erek amis ankamn tpum em mi endanekan amsakir im computer-ov im printer-ov evl... u nvirum em harazatnerin engernerin ev hayrenagitsnerin, voch mi kinov... ev pokharen oknel ev chank tnel....vochhhhhhhhhhh, chi kareli... azatoren tadum en ev merjum en... bayts es sharunakum em krel, tpel ev nvirel, mi khoskov... Mer khntirnera ludzel petk e, ayo, bayts nakh mianank, heto asenk vonts ludzel khntirnera... Tzeghasbanutean chanachuma otar ergrneri goghmits chi kareli vorovhetev mer tzerkin khpuma dgar e... dgar enk...! Ayo menk mshaguyt unenk, kraganutiun unenk, ashkhataser enk ev? inch e patahum? eskan khelatsiuteamp ur enk hasel? Menk chambort enk ushatzadz...Shat ankam hayrenagitsnerin em hantibum u asum en: Es es tari Siria em gnum, mi urish asum Es Amerika em gnum, Argentina, gam Francia, Italy evayln... hon pnagel. Asum em, duk vor otar ergirnerin shenk ek sarkum, inchu et pogha chek tanum Hayastan ev hon shenk ev kordz sarkel...Mi goghm toghek anmid vejera, annbatak u anteghi... "Yete mez Asdvatz tever che endzayel, nayev chi bardatrel arneti bes abrel" [ March 28, 2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Shirag ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted March 28, 2002 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Shirag, Since I have not read or written in Armenian for over forty years, I will answer you in English. My Armenian at this point is very poor through disuse. Here in the US there is a comic strip named Pogo. Pogo is a funny looking human-like creature. In my favorite cartoon of him, he is looking in the mirror and states "We have seen the enemy, and he is us!" From what I can understand of your post, you understand this precisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Shirag jan, Bann ayn e, vor menk bolors el shat lav haskanum enk, vor "arneti pes aprel chi kareli", bayz hamenayndeps aprum enk - vomank USA-um, Rusastanum, Canadayum, kam ayl teger, Hayastaniz heru: du erevi gites, vor shat hayer ambogg ashchariz dram ev ognutyun en ugarkum, kam misht patrast en ugarkel, bayz achr ayd poger' teg chen hasnum, henz hayastan en hasnum, korum en: Es karzum em, vor Hamaynki ognutyamb hayastanum shat baner kareli e pochel ev barelavvel, bayz petk e , vor ayd ognutyun' ir npatakin hasni, voch te chanaparhin kori: Es shat lav gitem, vor Rusastanum, orinak, ahakin harust hayer kan, voronk patrast en aschatel Hayastani het, nerdrumner anel, bayz chen anum, vorovhetev giten, te inchov da kvergana: Erevi du nkatel es, vor ays Forum-um shat kich mard ka Hayastaniz, himnakanum spyurkahayer en: Hayastani hayer' gamanak ev hnaravorutyun chunen nman banerov zbagvelu: Isk aystegi hayer' aveli aktiv en u uzum en inchvor ban pochel im karzikov: Bayz inch khosk, mer problemneri aragin patchar' menk inkners enk, heto mer haraberutyunner' mer harevanneri het: Vahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 karj asats - Papan el gity incha patahum - Sakayn Hech TAndzin el chi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 Movses jan,Chem karzum, vor "amen mard ira dardin, inchpes urin u bardin" amenalav motezumn e, bayz amen mek' petk e ir gorzov zbagvi. Chisht chem asum? maybe I misunderstood you?Vahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:Movses jan,Chem karzum, vor "amen mard ira dardin, inchpes urin u bardin" amenalav motezumn e, bayz amen mek' petk e ir gorzov zbagvi. Chisht chem asum? maybe I misunderstood you?VahanVAhan jan miangaiyn jisht es, sakayn i tsavoq srty shater@ en iysor inchpes urrin yev bardin - kam latsum en amen varkyan kam el bardu pes qit@ ver pahats. inch verabervum e amen mek@ ir gortsov zbarvelun norits hamamit em yete chen haskanum tor heru kangnen, yete chen kroranum herru mnal gone tor chxangaren. MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 I was in armenia for 3 months. I was living with a family two weeks at the end of my stay in Yerevan. The relatives of the family was saying that they hated parskahyes...and that they dispiced beiruta hyes, to my face when we were having dinner. parskahyes were all donkeys...and beuirtahyes had no sense of manner so on. The father of the family said to his brother who was spitting out his anger and hostility, that its because your sons wife is a parskahye and u arent fond of her...Yeah -he said...there all stupid...so on so on...-"We used them as the slaves used the blacks in USA". I said that it isn't fair to say that all barskahyes are "stupid" because u know someone u dont like! My family is a barskahye family and he was certainly aware of that and seemed like he was not that fond of me..Thought I am born and raised in Sweden. Who would like to make friends with such a man i thought? He seemed to have been "rejected" by a beirutsi...The thing is, they thought that if you are an armenian they can treat u like dirt if they want to! [ March 31, 2002, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: koko ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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