Shirag

"Haroust" par@ hay lezvi mech g'ka HAR armaden, vorbes harvadzogh gam harvadzelou garoghutiun ounetsogh`oujegh, hzor, garogh`aysinkn prnouteamp ishkhogh prnagal m@: Harusdutean yev unevorutean hmayk@ g' nshanage, te iren diratsutiun an gu da tiutanki ou tovchanki ishkhanutiunn ou zorutiun@, vorbeszi sdatsoghnera garenan aravel yevs trami pokhel aghkadnerou hamperutiuna, gouyserou keghetsgutiuna yev kordzavorneru krdinka...

I hope you help to inlarge this word's list. Thank you. arm.: Stooik, spanish: estóico. arm.: Gantegh, lat.: candelle; italian: candelle (candle); I guess this word came too, "iugh" oil oleum; .... to be continued...

The contacts between ancient Turkic and Indoeuropean continued after the migration of both ethnic groups from Trans-Caucasia to Eastern Europe. Protoarmenians were the most close neighbours of bearers of the Turkic languages there on the left banks of Dniepr river. Accordingly, the most words of the Tutkic origin were revealed precisely in Armenian language. Through Armenian laguage a part of Turkic words reached even in ancient Greek. The turkisms in Armenian to which can be sometimes found correspondences in Greek are set below: 1. Arm ałtiur “low ground, moist meadow, swamp” - Tur, Tat, Karach, Balk alt “low” a.o. 2. Arm aŕu “canal” - common Turkic aryk “canal”. 3. Arm acux “coal” - common Turkic o:j'ak “stove” (Chuv vučax, Tur ocak a.o.), moreover Turkm čog, Tur şövg, Kaz šok, Uzb čůg “red-hot coal” a.o. 4. Arm alap’-em “plunder” - Chuv ulput “lord”, OT, Tur alp, Tat alyp a.o. “hero”. 5. Arm alik’ “wave”, “billow”, Gr alox “furrow” - Tur oluk - “trough”, Chuv valak - “trough” Karach, Balk uuaq “wavy”. 6. Arm antaŕ “forest” - Gag. andyz “grove, bushes”, Tur andîz “kind of weed”. 7. Arm cŕuk “muzzle, mug, snout”, Gr gorgos “terribble, fearful” - Turkm gorky “fear, fright”, Tur korku “fear, fright”, Gag. korku “fear, fright” a.o.; 8. Arm çup “stick” - extended Turkic čybyk “switch”. 9. Arm gari “barley” - common Turkic dary/tary “millet”. 10. Arm garš-i-m “have an aversion” - Turkm garšy, Gag. karšy, Tur karşi, Chuv xirěs “against”. 11. Arm hełg “lazy, idle” - common Turkic jalta/jalka “lazy, idle” ( Karach, Balk jalk, Chuv julxav, Tat jalkau, Kaz žalkau a.o.) 12. Arm ji, Gr ippos “horse” - common Turkic jaby, jabu “horse” (Turkm jaby, Chuv jupax). 13. Arm kamurj’ “bridge”, Gr gejura “dam, bridge” - common Turkic köpür “bridge” (Chuv kěper, Karach, Balk köpür, Tat küper a.o.) 14. Arm ser “love” - common Turkic sev- “love” ( Tur sevmek, Uzb sevmoq, Chuv sav a.o.). 15. Arm sta-na-m “to buy” - Chuv sut “to sell”, Tur satîn “to buy”, Balk, Karach satyb “to buy” a.o. 16. Arm šeł “slant, curved”, Gr skolios “curved” - Chuv čalaš “slant”, Tat čulak, Tur çalîk “curved”. 17. Arm tarap’ “downpour, gush” - Chuv tapăr “watering place”. 18. Arm teli “place” - Chuv těl “place”. 19. Arm tuk “saliva” - Turkm tüjkülik, Karach, Balk tükürük “saliva”, Gag. tükürmää “spit” a.o. Not all Turkic loan words were saved in Armenian and some part of them have not be revealed yet, that is why there is a smal group of Turkic roots which exist only in Greek. There is no doubt, that the accordances to part of them can be found in Armenian during some time. A separate group among Turkic-Greek lexical correspondences represent Greek-Chuvashian ones which descended from the latest time. Ancient Bulgars, the ancestors of Chuvashians, stayed in northern coast of Black See during long time and adopted from Greek some amount of words, but Armenian coorespondences for them are not obligatory. Thay are included in the same list. 1. Gr aitew “to ask” - Chuv vitěn “to entreat”, Tur ötünmek “to ask, to solicit”, OT ajit- “to ask, to question” a.o. 2. Gr alji “barley”, aljh “barley porrige” - common Turkic arpa “barley”. 3. Gr arshn “man” - Chuv arçyn “man” (late loanword). 4. Gr artaw “to hang” - Chuv urtăn “to hang up”, Tur, Tat, Kaz art- a.o “to hang on”. 5. Gr hqmos “sieve” - Chuv atma “fishnet”. 6. Gr dera “skin, pelt” - common Turkic, everywhere deri “skin, pelt”, Chuv tir “skin, pelt”. 7. Gr dew “to tie, to bind” - common Turkic düv- “knot”, Turkm düvün, Chuv těvě. 8. Gr iama “medicine” - common Turkic em- “medicine”, Turkm, Gag., Tur em. 9. Gr khlhsis “magic power” - Chuv kělě “prayer”. Doubtful. 10. Gr khros “wax, honeycombs” - Chuv karas “honeycombs”. The root is IE. The source of loan in Chuvashian is unknown. 11. Gr palton “spear, lance” - common Turkic balta “axe”. 12. Gr puros “wheat” - Chuv pări “spelt, kind of wheat”. The root is IE. The source of loan in Chuvashian is unknown. 13. Gr colh “bile, gall” - Chuv xăla “light-yellow” . The root is IE. The source of loan in Chuvashian is unknown. Since 3-d millenium B.C. a part of ancient Turkics, known as bearer of the culture of fightung axes and cord ceramics, migrated on the right banks of Dniepr river and farther till Central Europe. We don’t know how many and which of Turkic tribes moved through Dniepr. It is only reliable known that the most part of them were assimilated among Indoeuropean and pre-Indoeuropean aborigines. Only one Turkic tribe, the tribe of ancient Bulgars, retained its ethnic identity. The first whom Bulgars meeted on the right bank of Dniepr were the bearer of Tripilla culture.Maybe some words of their language retained in language of Chuvashes which are the descendants of Bulgars. Moreover, ancient Bulgars were to have language contacts with ancient Hettites, Italics and Illirians in that period. Giving below Turkisms in Latin descented from that time. It is natural there are Chuvashian words in the list most of all. 1. Lat (Sabinian) teba “hill” - common Turkic (Chuv tüpe, Tur tepe, Kaz töbe ł ďîä. “moutain, top”). 2. Lat amicuc “friend” - Chuv. ami “friend, brother”. 3. Lat bardicium “little axe” - common Turkic balta “axe”. 4. Lat cito “fast, quick” - Chuv xytă “fast, quick”, Karach, Balk qaty “fast, rapid”. 5. Lat codex “stump, trunk” - Tur, Gag. kütük “stump, trunk”. 6. Lat cursarius “pirate” - Chuv xarsăr “bold, courageous”, Karach, Balk og'ursuz “wicked, vicious”, Tur hîrsîz “thief” a.o. 7. Lat farnus “ash tree” - Chuv věrene “maple”. 8. Lat faux “throat” - Gag. buaz Kirg buvaz, Tur, Kaz, Karach, Balk bog'az a.o. “throat”. 9. Lat imber “downpour, gush” - Turkm jagmyr, Chuv çumăr, Tat jan,gyr, Uzb jomg'yr, Tur yag'mur “rain”. 10. Lat ius, iuris 1. “low, justice” - Chuv jărăs “sraight”, Tur yasa “low, regulations”, Karach džoruq “low” a.o. 11. Lat ius, iuris 2. “soup” - Chuv jaška - “soup”, juškăň “slime”. 12. Lat mactare, macto “to glorify”, “to sacrifice” - common Turkic (Turkm magtamak, Chuv muxta Karach, Balk maxtarg'a, Uzb maqtamoq “praise”, Yak maxtan “thank” etc). 13. Lat ordo “row”, “order”, “army”, “detachment” - common Turkic (Turkm, Kaz orda, Chuv urta Tur ordu a.o. “army”). 14. Lat pudis “louse” - common Turkic bit “louse” (Chuv pyjta, rest bit/pit). 15. Lat saliva “saliva” - common Turkic (Chuv sěleke, Turkm selki, Tat silegej etc “saliva”). 16. Lat scopula “broom” - Chuv šăpăr “broom”. 17. Lat sollicitare “shake” - common Turkic (Chuv sille, Turkm selkildemek, Tur silkmek etc “shake”). 18. Lat torta “round brad” - Chuv tărta “to twine, to nest”. 19. Lat torus “” - Chuv tără “top”. Compare with Eng tor “stony top”. 20. Lat usus “use” - Chuv usă “use”. Eng use belongs here too or it is a Latin loan word? 21. Lat vulgus “folk”, “herd”, “crowd”, Lat vulgaris “habitual, customary” - Chuv pulkkă “herd”, “flight, flock”, Bulgar - the old name one of the Turkic tribes, ancestors of Chuvashes. Hither Germ Volk, Eng folk.

hi people. Yes uzum em mi ban asel, mer isgagan tshnaminera menk enk devagan. Es misht vakhetsel em shat vokevorvatz martgant-tsits. Asem. Menk chenk garogh sharunag asel vor khpogha odarnern en te turkera te evropatsinera te amerigatsi te rusera, mer isgagan tshnaminera menk enk vorovhetev, menk enk pajanum irarits, sarkum enk tesak tesak egeghetsiner, aylyevayl kavaragan miutiunner (orinag, Argentinaits, Californiaits, evl...) ayjm Katoghigosutiuna Anteliasi daknab e steghtzum, es masin degheag ek linelu!) Antranik zoravara erp paterazmum er hayrenikum... mer ggheragannera, ghegavarnera evayln evayln nstum ein *****nerin, taalatnerin, envernerin mot, kerukhum ein linum... Es amen erku gam erek amis ankamn tpum em mi endanekan amsakir im computer-ov im printer-ov evl... u nvirum em harazatnerin engernerin ev hayrenagitsnerin, voch mi kinov... ev pokharen oknel ev chank tnel....vochhhhhhhhhhh, chi kareli... azatoren tadum en ev merjum en... bayts es sharunakum em krel, tpel ev nvirel, mi khoskov... Mer khntirnera ludzel petk e, ayo, bayts nakh mianank, heto asenk vonts ludzel khntirnera... Tzeghasbanutean chanachuma otar ergrneri goghmits chi kareli vorovhetev mer tzerkin khpuma dgar e... dgar enk...! Ayo menk mshaguyt unenk, kraganutiun unenk, ashkhataser enk ev? inch e patahum? eskan khelatsiuteamp ur enk hasel? Menk chambort enk ushatzadz... Shat ankam hayrenagitsnerin em hantibum u asum en: Es es tari Siria em gnum, mi urish asum Es Amerika em gnum, Argentina, gam Francia, Italy evayln... hon pnagel. Asum em, duk vor otar ergirnerin shenk ek sarkum, inchu et pogha chek tanum Hayastan ev hon shenk ev kordz sarkel... Mi goghm toghek anmid vejera, annbatak u anteghi... "Yete mez Asdvatz tever che endzayel, nayev chi bardatrel arneti bes abrel" [ March 28, 2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Shirag ]

ARMENIA - THE REALITIES It has been eleven years since Armenia attained national independence. Isn’t It amazing that after a decade of independence, with people who are educated and industrious by nature, the country is still in the throes of an economic disaster. It is true that Armenia is landlocked, but regardless, the essential important ingredient necessary for a successful and flourishing economy of a nation is wise leadership that is not only imbued with national patriotism and the self sacrificing spirit, but also knowledgeable about the true nature of man. From the very beginning, in 1991, the leaders of a sudden fledgling free country were not aware of what constituted the creation of a successful economic system. If they had given the people total freedom to fend for themselves, the economy would have soon blossomed beyond imagination. Only a free people create long-lasting wealth, if it is not insidiously siphoned off by Government. A most important ingredient for creating national wealth is for the establishment of a non-usury (honest) money system ideally backed by a 100% gold reserve system. If the people have gold or have the guaranteed right to freely convert their government-created paper money into gold upon demand, then they have what is called veto power over the spending plans of their political rulers. Without the right of converting paper money into gold, then a country’s political leaders can control the populace and easily enslave them. The real issue is who will control whom; will the politicians control the people, or will the people control the politicians? It was a major error in allowing foreign ownership of Armenia’s gold mines. A Republic is the most perfect form of government devised by man. A Republic is created by establishing a constitution that gives equal (but separate) enumerated powers to the major branches of government: Legislative, Executive and Judiciary. In other words, no branch is subordinate to the other. The Legislature should be voted upon within local areas by the people of those areas minus interferences. No single individual should have the power to determine the destiny of the nation. Instead, what is taking place today, is not only an element of individual greed, but more important, the acceptance of the financial aid for the economy of Hayastan from sources that appear tempting and easy, but in reality are addictive and dangerous. Many burdensome interest payments must be paid to the I.M.F. (International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank, which are instruments for destroying nations economies. The stringent conditions they place upon a country are such that it retards the creation of wealth, forcing the government to place burdensome taxes upon the nation’s assets. With the suffocation of high taxes placed upon small privatized industry and agriculture they are not able to survive, consequently they become victims of international speculators (example: George Soros foundations) to move in and purchase them (the nation’s jewels) for virtually nothing. The government in turn continues to beg for I.M.F./World Bank funds in order (in their minds) to run the country, as well as keep themselves in power, while the economy continues its stagnation. Another effect of external financing and the importing of cultures into the newly established nation was the creation of additional institutions that educated and prepared young intelligentsia to more readily emigrate to other nations of the world. There already existed excellent domestic Armenian institutions of high standards that deserved financial assistance and were able to educate future generations with the Armenian character, and still be prepared to relate to the world. In short, a combination of fiat (falsely created) I.M.F./World Bank funds, creating a stagnant economy, together with foreign influences on the Armenian culture, culminates in a so-called “brain drain” that weakens the fledgling Armenian nation. This process is designed to eventually destroy the Armenian psyche and race, by reducing Armenia to “international world territory” status, while reducing its population. In case the government refuses to accept I.M.F. (World Bank funds), the young nation can be confronted with war or the financing of a nearby nation to war upon them. It should be noted that when the Armenian Government is not able to pay back the loans, the I.M.F./World Bank threatens to withhold further funds. After a time period of threats, they then get into an act of “humanitarian gesture” and become anxious in forcing loans upon the intended victim nation. A most enlightening article by Michael Chossudovsky, professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, Canada, explains in great detail how the I.M.F. (International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank are manipulating the destruction of a nation’s economy and social fabric as well as reducing it to slave status. The complete article can be attained on the Web: http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/c...huss/instru.htm. A few statistics and notes: 1. The I.M.F. discourages the establishment of large industries, such as the intended General Motors Mitsubishi plant which was to be built in Armenia that was allegedly canceled by the U.S. State Department. 2. Peter Nicholes, World Bank Senior Officer for Armenia and Azerbaijan, has linked loans based on a Kharabagh resolution. That constitutes extortion by external forces. 3. The Armenian Government as well as foreign internationalist interests are favoring major industries to be privatized to foreign control. 4. The Armenian Government only allows subsidies to small service businesses, demanding future taxes to be paid in advance, while ignoring the shadow economy. 5. Armenia has borrowed approximately $170,000,000 from the I.M.F. since 1994, and has paid $17.0 million in interest. 6. Armenia has borrowed approximately close to a billion dollars from the world bank as of 2001. 7. The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has granted to Armenia $1.3 billion dollars from 1992 to 2001. The question now becomes: “Is Hayastan going to relinquish complete control of its destiny to an un-elected global bureaucracy, dedicated to preserving the pathological system that has already created worldwide economic chaos, or does Hayastan want to reclaim the right to elect a government with the power to protect its own people and natural resources from the ruthless exploitation of international financial capitalism, and without curtailing its participation in world commerce”? Some will say “there is no other way”. An example of the other way was refusal of internationalism’s financing, set by Maylasia’s premier, Dr. Mahathir Mohamed, who ‘opted out’ of the internationalist system, and which has proved beneficial to their country’s economy while still securing their independence. The international financier, George Soros, has stated that “the correct solution to the crisis would be to convert debts in stricken countries in equity, giving creditors (banks) a share stake in the vulnerable concerns.” In other words, the productive industries and the public utilities of the once free nations of the world - real wealth created by the real efforts of generations of their people - should be handed over to foreign bankers to dispose of as they see fit, even though many of those ‘debts’ have already been paid off several times over through the interest payments which have crippled their economies. The warning couldn’t be much plainer. The world stands at a crossroads. It must choose between popularly chosen national governments which strive for the best interests of their people and are free to cooperate with other countries when it is advantageous to all concerned, or a global dictatorship of super-capitalists. There is no ‘third way’; the Marxist ‘alternative’ is dead. The choice is between national values and freedom, or the feudalism of the international Banksters’ Imperium. How can we say we are honoring our Christian forefathers and still take money from a corrupt monetary system, when Christ threw the false money changers from the temple, that led four days later to his crucifixion ? Christ was not a compromiser. The people of every nation must find their own way towards a stable, sustainable society free from the shackles of global debt slavery. Ardavast Avakian Boca Raton, FL 11-26-01

Ete gdrvatz e mi shiner; Ete mega ese na garogh e shinel tzayna gdrel dur; Ete mega portse shinel, kaghaken turs hane; Ete mega ge shine noren gdre; Isg ete na gshine, tartseal plel dur; ev- vor gasgatz chi mna vor biti portse noren, taghe zinka! trans.: M.L. orginal : Ara Baliozian.

kahananer@ gakhartnere en, voronk ge hamozen joghovurt@, vor hats@ hats che, kinin al kini' che, <>. Hon ga akah antznagazm m@, vor miayn ge sdana yev yerpek chi dar. Anonk ge bahen irents tram@, pokhanak zayn shrchakayutean mech tnelu gam zayn arevduri, djardararvesdi gam tzerasvesdi mech kordzadzelu. A. Baliozian

Tigraness III, kez mi ban asem: sarsapeli bashdamunkits engel es. To be armenian you have to live in Armenia, maybe I'm wrong... Es Venezuela em abrum, hos unenk gentron ev ekeghetsi, bayts tshpaxtapar et yeranta chka vorbes hay mnan, uzum em asel te mer Srpazana orinaki hamar chi karogh "hokehankist, 40nots gam requiem linel mors mahvan, gam voroshel zavgis hamar nra mgrdutiuna, evayln, evayln, chi kitem... Hay mnalu hamar miutiun betk e bahanchvi, voch te hay hed amusnatsel es te voch sa amena khosk en intz hamar. If Dragon #255 allow me to insert his writing and I add something more you could see what we have to avoid to be as you say "Armenian": Mishd harkelov patsaroutiunneru bedk e usel, vor haygagan-azkayin gyanku arten shadonts gorsuntsoutsadz e ir hmayku` arjanabadvoutian, badivi, partsr idealnerou, IRAGAN ARACHNORTNEROU patsagaypoutian badjarov. -Hayu aysor aveli ''charchi'' e, kan azniv vajaragan. -Hayu aysor aveli mageresayin e, kan khorki mart. -Hay gineru aysor aveli tetevamid en, geroukhoumov, hakousd gabousdov pavararvogh, kan irents undanikin ou zavagneroun hokevor arjeknerou ajoumov. -Hay dghamartig aysor aveli yesagetron ou ampardavan en, kan nvirvadz irents undanikin ou azkin. Isg yete kani mu ghroush al tram ounin, ouremn` Asdvadz okne irents tserku ingoghin... -Hay harousdu aysor aveli paraser e, kan iragan parerar. Portsetsek vorpi mu, gam ousanoghi mu hamar oknoutiun khuntrel ou bidi desnek, te vorkan arkahadagan bidi ulla irents badaskhanu. Payts yete arachargek BADVO HIUR gam ORVAN NAKHAKAH ullal tsernargi mu gam barahantesi mu, anonk sirov bidi untounin` mughvadz irents parasiroutenen (teyev yerpemun al chvjarelov irents khosdatsadz koumaru, gam al payment-i veradzelov zayn...) - Hay ggheraganu aysor aveli MEDZAPERAN e, kan iragan voghormadz ou oknoutian poutatsogh. Daregan yergou merelotsnerou dzkhader kahanan gaytsele ir hodu...miayn tram havakelou nbadagov. ''Hayr Mer'' mu agraneroun mechen (achgu chors goghm tartsunelov...) aba anmichabes usdatsakiri dedrag! And I add: Mez chi vayler khonarh @llal odarnerun hanteb yev koroz askagitsnerun hanteb. Nayev, hay@ yerp odarneru mech e ingadz, hazar achkov hay ge p’ndre, isg yerp hayerov e sh’rchabadvadz` hayu achk yev honk ge hane! Hay@ 1915-en i ver, Astdzo tem kh’rovadz e, payts ur vor al yerta, nakh yegeghetsi ge partzratsne. Hay@ amen giragi Asdudzme “Ser-Miutiun” ge kh’ntre, isg Asdvadz sh’varadz e te inch hastseov gh’rge. “…Yete mez Asdvadz tever che @ndzayadz, nayev che bardatradz Arnedi bes abrel...” null YES UNEM TAKUN IM YERCHANGUTIUNA, TOGH NAXANTZ MARTIG ACHKOV CHDAN, TA IM ABRELU METZ TSNAGUTIUNN E, VOR BITI ABREM KANI TER GAM (Rubik Haxvertian) SHIRAG***

Pope honours victims at Armenian memorial In a moving ceremony full of symbolism, the Pope has paid tribute to up to one-point-five million Armenians killed during the first world war. The pontiff led a prayer service at the memorial to what Armenia claims was genocide carried out by Ottoman Turks in nineteen-fifteen. John Paul, who was accompanied by the head of the Armenian Apostolic church, Gagerin, steered clear of controversy by avoiding the use of the word genocide to describe the deaths. Turkey disputes Armenian claims. Yet many Armenians, who are celebrating one thousand seven hundred years since their country became the first state to adopt the Christian faith, believe the Pope's visit is a recognition of genocide. The Armenian-born French singer Charles Aznavour took part in the special ceremony at the imposing memorial, which since its construction in nineteen-sixty-seven has been a focal point for Armenians to remember those who have died in centuries of conflict with neighbouring Muslims. null http://www.euronews.net/images_news/MidiPope.jpg

Ete tu es tadavor@... etbes mi khpi Estekh kardzikner en haytnum ayl tadaran chi... Arayjm Shirag

I have a book named "Modern Western Armenian" wrote by Dora Sakayan, Montreal, january 2000. Very complete I would say... Arayjm.

MARDIROS SARIANI BADVIRANNER@ 60-agan tvaganneri geserin Turkia ughevorvogh KSHM ministrneri khorhti nakhakah Aleksei Kosikin@ gank arav Yerevanum. Gardj hankist@ partzrastidjan hiur@ tsangatsav hadgatsnel Mardiros Sariani badgerasrah@ tidelun. Aystegh nran @ntunets medz ngarich@, vor@ hiurin badvirani tzevov yerku arachargutiun arets: - Medzarko enger Kosikin, yes harkum em Leninin,- asats na,- nra anunov gochetsek Rusasdani vor kaghakn uzum ek, teguz Moskvan, sagayn badmagan, manavant paroyagan dj’shmardutiun@ bahanchum e, vor Leningrad@ anvanvi Sant Peterburg… Veragankvi artarutiun@… Heto ngarich@ hiurin nvirets ir “Ararat” yughangar@: - Nayetsek, Aleksei Nikolayevich, mer Araratin, nayetsek yev, yete ge havanek tzerk perek original@, aha im khntir@.

Kogh@ koghin koghtsav, Asdvatz desav zarmatsav!

Tourin g'dradz@ g'aghekna, Lezvin g'dradz@`voch.

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bhaaaaaaaaa voru hok........

Only in Armenia… Only in Armenia do you spend 2 hours chatting with your friend over the phone complaining about the lack of time to see each other. Only in Armenia do you invite few of your closest friends to your birthday party and 300 people show up. Only in Armenia do people stand in the doorway saying goodbye for 30 minutes and then get back into the house for a cup of coffee. Only in Armenia are you not supposed to say "NO" at a meal. Only in Armenia do you agree to meet your friend at 6.00 sharp and you both show up at 8.00. (And only in Armenia will you do this 5 times in a raw) Only in Armenia do people leave their country straightforwardly, then miss it desperately, but never come back. Only in Armenia do you spend 2 hours on Abovian street explaining to a complete stranger why you don't want to sit in a cafe and have a cup of coffee with him. Only in Armenia do you look out of your window at Mt. Ararat located in Turkey and say, "what a beautiful mountain do we have!" Only in Armenia do you meet someone for the first time in your life and can be sure you will find at least 5 people both of you know. Only in Armenia will you find people who say "you can travel to Paris, Rome or London but you will never find a building as beautiful as our Hamalir!" Only in Armenia will you see people tinkering with their car engines in their best clothes in full view of their "hayat". Only in Armenia do people go weak at the knees with exhilaration when discussing apricots. (Yuuuuummmmmm... ) Only in Armenia can you tell the story of your life to someone you meet for the first time, and then wonder why and how gossips spread so fast in Yerevan. Only in Armenia do you start making wedding plans after meeting your "future spouse" for the second time in your life. Only in Armenia should you refuse 3 times before having a meal when visiting someone. Only in Armenia are there more American dollars circulating than in the whole country of the US Only in Armenia would they have a banknote (10 drams) equal to about 2 cents. Only in Armenia can you fit 30 people in a mini-bus that seats 12. Only in Armenia does the Constitution require all citizens to wear at least one piece of black clothing at all times. Only in Armenia do they believe than an Armenian invented the Georgian alphabet (the Georgians certainly don't believe it!!) Only in Armenia is there absolutely no junk mail - in fact, there is no mail at all. Only in Armenia you think that Armenians invented everything. Only in Armenia you can pronounce "gh" and "kh" and are proud of it. Only in Armenia do you believe that the most important people in history MUST have Armenian blood in them. Only in Armenia do you make up rhyming words that start with the letter "m" like "oosh- moosh", "sirun - mirun". Only in Armenia do you talk with your hands when you are on the phone. ...Only in Armenian... Du tjjum es miain TATA-i tak. Mek mek el lsum es Aram Asatrian. Du hagnum es Adidas kam Nike sportivka. Du AHAVOR rasist es. Poghocum nayum es axchikneri hetevic minchev da anhnara darnum. Unes amenaqich@ 5-7 barekam USA um. Unes Ararati nkar@ EVEN qo garajum. Armenian Internet Journal Azdarar [ September 05, 2001: Message edited by: Shirag ]

Ay mart, kez inch ov pan esadz e? Kogh par@ urge hanetsir? es miain menakhosutiun@ hos dngetsi, te che ches sirir, s....t eghir, martu mi khankare, gardzetsi vor khelkt deghn er, AKHMAKH...........

Asiga "Medzabadiv Muratsganner" filmen menakhosutiun m@n e... Es zinvor chem hahaha...

Astvatz papa, Mi pargana hayerus vra menk ashkhadaser yev Astvadzbah ask enk, Vor azk@ ayschap aghed desnar? payts mnar ayschap ktasirt. Vor azk@ ayschap charik desnar? payts mnar ayschap martaser... Amen azk al azkayin taptpukner uni. Tun magyeresen mi khapvir, tun mer khorker@ nayir, djshmarit azk@ hon e. Tun al, hayerus hanteb mekhk unis. Mezi inchu ayschap pokrakanag steghdzetsir? Eh medzakanag al @llayink udelik@ bidi pavararer. Gam inchu mezi Astudzve mortsvadz ays ashkharamas@ nedeir? Cheir kider vor parparosnerov bidi shrchabadvadz @llayink? Ankam m@ parparosnerun tzerk@ prnetsir? Ankam m@ boratsir? -"Inch genek Dzo Eshu tzaker? Asok hayer en, hayer, daghantavor yev steghdzarar azk en, Inch genek?" Meg ankam @sir? -"Tzkek anonts darerayin aghednern al ankam irents herik chen? Irents Karastan@ vor Dzaghgasdani ge veradzen... Arteok herik chen? "Tzkek, ayt Joghovurt@ ir yerchangutiun@ gerde" Kisher pari, Astvatz papa!

Lezu. yerpemn aynbisi barakaner g@llan, yerp marts yerani ge garta anasunnerun. Shat m@ kh'ntirner gan, vor anasunneru mech ludzvadz en yev marteru mech ter vidjapanutean dag en. Lezvi kh'ntir@, orinagi hamar. Ch'bidi knem, te vochkhar@ krapar ge khosi te ashkharapar, te kavaraparparner uni te voch, te ashkhari lezun H'ntyevrobagan e...nullLezu. Ler Gamsar

Hi people, Arsen it comes from greek: male, man viril. And Karen is iranian origin. Vazken is a diminutive of "frog" persian too... Zaven it means: helper, assistant (persian). Khoren: small sun, persian too. I never heared Arine but Ari or Arin; Ari: Brave, Fearless; and Arin probably "Ariun" (Blood). Suren: Strong, Powerful. It's Pahlavi. Papgen it means father (persian) About the termination "-uhi" let me check it, I have a interenting articule (in armenian) about it... --------- Shirag.

Hello people, Do someone of you know if Ruben Hakhverdian have a home page or at least someone made a page about him, Thank you.

quote:Originally posted by Boghos: Steve jan, I don´t want to go too much into this. Just the word you wrote as "eshak", actually the word is Turkish, "eshek" (written with a s cedille). It means literally donkey. Eshek is a turkification of the word "ech" in one of the lost languages in the Asia Menor.

Yete yes ashxari der@ @llayi, ge h'ramayei voch'nchatsnel ayn polor paner@, voronk martou kidagtsutiun@ ge zarkatsnen. Vorovhedev amen meg kayl, vor ge dani tebi zarkatsum, darabanki nor tour m@ ge pana martoun hamar. Kidutiun@ g'rna anor mech art'nts'nel angoushd hartsasiroutioun m@, voroun archev ink'n isg anzor ge m'na. Martoun oughegh@ hekeati ayn k'natsadz h'sgan e, vor art'nnaloun bes anotoutioun ge 'zka, yev vorkan oude: aynkan aveli ge bahanche. Ourem'n, kani angareli e zayn g'shdats'nel, Aveli lav che tz'kel zink@ hankisd kouni mech? Yerp mart anoti e, hats ge bahanche, payts yerp g'shdana: harts g'da, te Inchou gabri?. Yes guzei, vor voch meg anoti m'nar ashkhari v'ra, ayn aden amen mart ge hamozver, vor i zour gabri. Yev gu kam zarmanali yezragatsoutean m@. Arteok anotiner@ chen, vor badjar g'llan martgoutean geanki haradevoutean. Lavadesne'rt vakhgod ek, yev ip'r vakhgod: khapepa ek. Touk ge khapek te` tzez yev te`ourishner@. Touk hamartsagoutioun chunik shidag nayelou miag patsatzag dj'shmardutean` mahvan yeresin. Tzer ampoghch vartabedoutioun@ him'nvadz e geghdziki yev ink'nakhapeoutean v'ra. Touk sud ge khosik, yerp guzek pasdel, te abril@ himaroutioun che. Geankin n'virvadz yerkerou mech touk ge portzek ch'l'sel mahvan djich@, vor ge sarsapetsne tzez. Touk ek, vor mechdegh nedadz ek koyoutean griv@, vorbezsi pakhchik mahen. Touk sh'rchabadadz ek tzez siro, adeloutean, girki yev nakhantzi polor badranknerov, vorbeszi anonts m'shushin mech ch'desnek mahvan posin ansahman khoroutioun@. Tzezi dzanot che horedesin h'bard arhamarhank@ voroun archev ge voch'nchana amen pan. Kani m@ vargean yedk, yes aylyev's chem @llar. Ourish khoskov, g'llam abaka ankoyoutean mech. Ingadz` seneagi getronin, kang's p'sh'rvadz. Mayr's - khe´ghdj barav - ge 'sg'si v'ras lal, seneag@ letsoun g'lla vosdigannerov, hedak'kirnerov. Guzei meradz aden's al desnel` tidelou hamar ayt himar martots irarantsoum@, vor goushd m@ kh'ntayi anonts v'ra. Yes ge mernim kh@ghdjalov tzezi, geanki 'sdrugner, vorovhedev, vorkan al ouzek abril, i vercho bidi kak im yedeves. Adaptation from Nar Tos (Mikael Hovhannesian) [ June 23, 2001: Message edited by: Shirag ]