DoC Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Artur:If wife earns money, and man sits at home, then he is not a man, is he? Dragon, well, the most of people work, and the final target is to earn money, and they will seek another job to earn more money. Now, my sisters, from the God's will, will never work, or if they do something, then it is only a hobby, and does not affect the family.BTW, what was that dialog about? ::: ))Also i am not old'fashioned, i am traditional AA Artur,You are both old fashioned and "traditional", but in the worst sense. Frankly speaking, I find you offensive and archaic. I was raised in a single parent household, where my mom worked her butt off to make ends meet for us, and to finance my education. If I had a sister, I would've encouraged her to follow her dreams and do whatever she wanted to. Don't you think your sister might make money being a doctor or a pianist...it has happened you know. I think you are confused on a key issue: WOMEN ARE NOT SUBHUMAN. They don't HAVE to honor what their brother/father says, just because they have penises and she doesn't.I have been with the same girl for quite some time now, but we have decided to put off marriage until BOTH of us achieve our career goals. It will be up to US to decide when/if we have a family. Did you notice how I emphasized "US" Artur? That means that we will have equal say in the matter.Artur, it is dolts like yourself who perpetuate the "Armenian male stereotype." Hey, do us all a favor and grow up...the world does not end at the boundaries of your bubble. Oh and by the way, have you ever had a girlfriend? Just curious..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 DoC, first of all, i did not try to offend you or whatsoever. Second, how you do it, how you build your life and how you get on with your future wife does not concern me at all. Third, i cannot argue with you about brothers and sister, because you are too far away from me, and it doesn't mean in good way. If a sister does not respect her brother, then in my family it is a disgrace. And nothing to do with how you say p.... I respect my sister as none of the girls in this world, and respect for a sister cannot be higher than any girl. I respect my sister, and she knows that i love her as nobody in this world. Don't say that this is some kind of slavery, because girls have to listen to their brothers. It is nothing but RESPECT. And if there is no respect then i won't be able to call her a sister, but from the God's will this will never happen! And about growing up, i would say the same to you, but i am not an offensive person. But one thing i will tell: i have brothers who are elder than you and more experienced in the life than you, and believe there isn't much difference between my attitude and theirs. And about girlfriends, i don't call the girls i have(most of them are russians) girldfriends, i call them using different word("girlfriend" is too high term for them), and i surely won't be able to call my future wife a girlfriend, because it is too disrespectful term for her. So you can say that i've never had a girldfriend... With Respect, Artur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoC Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Artur:DoC, first of all, i did not try to offend you or whatsoever.No, that wasn't my point. I find you offensive based on your ideals. You are offensive by nature, not intent...Second, how you do it, how you build your life and how you get on with your future wife does not concern me at all. Phew! I was worried there for a while... ...And about girlfriends, i don't call the girls i have(most of them are russians) girldfriends, i call them using different word("girlfriend" is too high term for them), Russian Pets maybe? Tell me Artur, how much do they charge per hour? and i surely won't be able to call my future wife a girlfriend, because it is too disrespectful term for her. So you can say that i've never had a girldfriend... Why would anyone call their wife a girlfriend? Ok, now I find you to be infantile, annoying, AND confusing. Well dear Artur, good luck in your search for a girlfriend...you'll need it with your attitude.With Respect, Artur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Artur:If wife earns money, and man sits at home, then he is not a man, is he? AA Artur, I have a very good friend(a former boss) who is exactly in that situation. She earned 3-4 times what her husband was making. When her mother in law passed away they she and her husband made the decision that he would stay home to take care of their 2 kids for the next 4-5 years. I do not think that he is any less of a man than you or I are.I would say that she is the kind of working mom that I do not approve. She works from 7:30 in the morning to 10,11,12 at night 5 days a week and many weekends as well. Her kids are deprived of their mom.AzatPS: MJ, Gayane I may have been the one that took this board in the wrong direction. Sorry. Please feel free to delete any of my messages that you feel are not appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Azat:PS: MJ, Gayane I may have been the one that took this board in the wrong direction. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!!! Seldom do the threads stay on topic, but to me, any discussion is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMINE36 Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Artur keneres, baits du giuxum es aprum? [ April 18, 2001: Message edited by: ARMINE36 ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 DoC, i don't spend money on them. There is no need for that... they are all free of charge... Plus, i don't look for a girlfriend-boyfriend relationships. Only girls... if you know what i mean if you don't, then YOU need to grow up ::) Kiddin, take it easy... And the last, if there is nothing to say, there is no need for calling me annoying or confusing, i gave you my straight point, and you were looking for discussions. I gave you discussion and you stop. So, you are conufused, however i am comfident. :cool: Artur :cool: P.S. i think we should stop, otherwise you definetly are becoming annoying God be with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 I would like to urge everybody to get back to the original topic. And, maybe, it would be great, if each of you may delete his own postings which are not on the original topic of this thread. Gayane oops! Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 quote:Originally posted by ARMINE36:Artur keneres, baits du giuxum es aprum?[ April 18, 2001: Message edited by: ARMINE36 ]In comparison to North Hollywood, then yes But don't get me wrong i study in England, and i've been to many European countries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 Armine jan, the people who are, as you say, changing are mainly Yerevanians. I've been to many European countries and I've learnt how to really appreciate my values and traditions. And it is obvious that for you my views are old fashioned, but that's the difference of opinion and from the God's will our values will stay in our family and will never change. God be with You!Artur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMINE36 Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 Artur...I kind of desereved that one for N.H. But just cause i live there, doesn't mean i like it. I would get out of here faster than lightning if i could. I just think your values are too old fashioned and it seems like you come from an old fashioned place too. I was in Armenia last summer and it seems like that people are slowly changing their values, but your still one of those who i think if hell freezes over, you still won't change. But there is nothing wrong with that. You are who you are. You live the way you want to live. I understand your opinions, but i don't agree with them. I think there will never be an end to this, but i'll stop it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 Artur, I am Yerevantsi. I love Yerevan, and I love Yerevantsis. I have no problems with Gyumretsis. Gyumretsis themselves are very different among themselves. But, please don't force me to say things that should not be said on this board. Besides, none of us care about the norms of your family. Keep that discussion for your family circles, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 MJ, i did not try to offend you and said nothing against Yerevantsis, but gave a clear fact. And moreover there is no need for getting nervious, so pls hold your temper. With respect,Artur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 Artur, You think that you are not offending people. But you are. And what may seem to be a fact for you, may have a different interpretation in the eyes of others, as much as your "norms and traditions" do. And I am doing my best to hold my temper, and I can assure you that many others on this board do the same. You have been in this forum for more than a year. Do you enjoy the reaction you cause here? I assume you are not a masochist, are you? Why do you always talk about the things and the way that, even if they were true, would not be received well from a guy of your age? Before you preach 'family values,' you should have one, first. Don't you think so? Just get over your earge of preaching moral and traditions here. Many people here are much older than you, much more aware of these issues, and belive me, much better equiped than you are to conduct such a 'mission,' if it would be deemed appropriate. P.S. Sorry, meant 'urge' above. [ April 20, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 MJ, with all respect to all visitors, i am not going to reply to your post, because if i do then you know what will happen. But one thing: This forum is called "Working mums". I made my point. I discussed my point and defended my point. And i think that is what the forums for. And we have all rights to present the views and defend the views. And other members tried to argue with my point, and i argued back. So i don't see anything wrong here. So, i will stop it here! Take care,Artur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 Good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayane Posted April 23, 2001 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2001 quote:Originally posted by MJ:I would like to urge everybody to get back to the original topic. And, maybe, it would be great, if each of you may delete his own postings which are not on the original topic of this thread. Gayane oops!Martin Thank you for stepping in during my absence, Martin I'm pretty lenient as a moderator (I think you'll find) and so far nothing THAT offensive has been said, but just know your limits (everyone). Etkan ban Gayancho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Mother's place is the home. I do not know who these people are who think they can or should change over how many thousands of years of tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garo Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Gayane can you find information about the latest result of government research regarding this issue? I heard it on news a few days ago. Similar research has been done in Europe also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 Can one be an excepetional wife/mother AND an exceptional career woman? In my opinion one of these will have to suffer at the expense of the other. This does not mean you can't have a family and a career. But since your time and energy will need to be split between these two major responsibilities, your performance of one or the other, or both will be less than exceptional. Of course this does not mean you can't have both, but you do need to get your priorities straight and decide which one deserves more of your time and energy. Since I was reading the child-care topic just before this one, I would like to comment on the subject here. One thing a mom absolutely should do is take some time off (about a year if possible) and care for her newborn. I think the first year is a very essential period in a child's development. And after that, she should go back to work part-time (again, if possible) and spend as much time as possible with the child. After all, the mother and father should be the ones in charge of raising and shaping their baby (predominantly), not some strangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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