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[Azat]

Nvard jan,
You have painted a picture of Soviet Armenia as heaven. You and I both know that it was not all that. But I do agree that in terms of seafty it was much much safer. Especially compare to some of the parts of the States.

I do have to say that it is VERY safe in many parts Europe and some parts of US. I also spend lots of time in Canada and I have to say that I felt the safest I have ever felt in my life there.

[Arturian]

Nvard jan, don't blame them, they are just "products" of their society and they can't even imagine that there is world with different views and attitudes cleaner than theirs.

 

But the fact is the fact and it will be the fact, that american society is the most sickest, starting from kids shooting their teachers at the age of 8 and ending childrappers who pay to get what they want. But that not the point... the point is how Armenians defend this mentality.

 

Nvard, a chto ti tak vsyo taki ghestoko?... kozel. Tebe eto ne idyot.

 

 

Mira vsem!

[Sip]

Oh, I guess as opposed to the really religeous societies where they force women to wear stuff head to toe even in the heat of summer and don't allow them to even come out of the house ... if they do, they simply get killed. Yah, that's very healthy and nice

We DID live in Iran before the US. My mom DID have to wear those stupid things ... we didn't have any music when I was growing up. Even CHESS (one of my favorite GAMES) was outlawed for about a decade. One of our female relatives did get whipped 70 times (lashes) for even having an alcoholic beverage in her possession. My mom, an eye doctor/surgeon, was prohibited from treating male patients We couldn't even eat certain types of FISH because it was illegal by ISLAMIC rules. Do you want to talk about SICK?

I love it here. It has it's problems for sure but I would not think of being anywhere else. I was born in London, raised in Iran, lived in Germany for a few years and have very close friends from all over the world (Serbia, Greece, China, Japan, etc etc etc) ... I wouldn't want to live anywhere else right now.

[ January 26, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

[THOTH]

Artur, Artur, Artur...

 

if it is so bad whay do they still come...?

 

In fact, our life here is very good - weather you think so or not. Sickos are everywhere...reported or not...risk is part of life - are you saying you perfer that there were none? Even so, they still come...why? (you obviously just don't understand)

[Azat]

So based on your analogy can one say that "Armenians are evil people who kill their presidents and political people on live TV as thousands of people and kids watch TV. So they must be evil SOBs and must hate kids." If that sounded ridiculous, than consider your comments above.

Artur if you really feel like that why don't you convince our Armenian government not to suck on the "evil" American blood every year.

Americans are some of the most giving and caring people in the world. Anywhere in the world where there is disaster guess how is in line to help. Guess who was one of the first to Aid both in man power and dollars after the quake in Leninakan? Also Armenia has taken $1,000,000,000(that is a billion, just in case all those zeros are too much for your little brain to handle) in US aid in the last 10 years. I am sure there are lots of things that you do on daily basis that has an "evil" American inventor, corporation, scientist, engineer, businessman or individual behind it. Hey when you reply to this message, it will be because an "evil" American academia gave you that ability by inventing the internet in the 60s.

I do not know what to tell you except I would take 100 "evil" Americans as neighbors/friends/coworkers rather than 1 STUPID IDIOT like you as one.

You are a racist, chauvinist fool and words coming out of your mouth are nothing but garbage.

[MosJan]

hmmm

 

Jorovurd Hangstatsek !!!

[Arturian]

Azat, I wouldn't go to lebeling as there are many armenian girls. I understand that what i said for proud american like you are very painful but it really shows your level of intellegence calling someone fool, stupid etc.

 

If you want to test my intellegence, go to private and we will start any debade on any topic you want.

 

But don't be redicoulous saying americans are the most giving and caring people in the world. That really shows your very low level of knowledge about american society and politics in general. Americans are driven by their pride and they have the sence being the best and the most powerfull in the world. Thus trying to intervene any problem in order to get what they want. ... Vietnam, Iraq, Kuwait, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan ... more to come in the near future... millions of innocent kids and women... learn YOUR history in the first place. But i agree that there are people who care about the world, but that is totally different topic. And one billion has a great interest... And by the time Armenia will have that 1 bln, it will be 10 bln the US will demand. and nobody gives, they simply lend... learn economics! And even if the US "gives" there for sure something they get for themselves. Recently the US promissed to "give" Armenia $90 mln dollars in 2002, but that was done in order to shut our mouthes in regard to section 907 lifting...

 

What happened on Armenian TV was disgusting and surely something for kids not to see. Armenian society is slowly degradating. But that already happened 50 years ago in your society. But that's again different topic.

 

Sip, i don't know much about muslim societies, and i am not on the side of women covering their body in full (according to christian religion women should cover their head while they pray), but i believe women covering is something better than uncovering in general. Would you marry a woman who shows her ass in public or rather girl who tries to cover her legs in the same public? About fish and chess... cmon man ... )) that IS REALLY sick : )) no chess and fish? And that's probably more sick than living in the society with transexuals and zoofilies neighbors and kids who have sexual relations at the age of 13.

 

Anyways... i think we should stop this as it went out of topic.

 

 

Best of luck to you all!

[Azat]

So it was 90 Mil to shut your mouth this year? What was 55 million for last year and the 50 prior to that and the 62 prior to that and the 79.5 prior to that? Should I go on? And please give me which part of the USAid money that Armenia got was a loan and not assistance.

 

Only an Armenian would think that a powerful country would give them 90 mil to shut them up, or else what were you going to do? Cry? Stop economic ties with US? Declare war on US? what?

 

As to your intelligence, you have done enough in speaking on this forum to tell us about it.

 

As you spending time and PMing you, you think to highly of yourself if you think that I would waste time PMing you.

 

I have nothing more to tell you.

Take care.

[koko]

I protest!!!!

America and the policis of the USA has destroyed many countries and till this day the UNIDTED STATES OF AMERICA doesnt give a DAMN about any other country. THe blow up the Balkans, the help turkey and Israel to keep their fashist goverment running (they send weapons/ military help to name one example).

You may be living good lives. Your country is the most powerful of the world, and it has one policy. No other country can put him agains the USA.

ITS FUNNT HOW USA FIRST SEND TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN TO HELP THE TALIBANS GET THE POWER IN THE COUNTRY, TO HELP AVOID A COMMUNIST REGIME IN AFGANISTAN. NOW THEIR SENDING TROOPS TO DESTROY "THE TALIBANS".

[Arturian]

Azat, i am glad to stop debate with you, obviously i am too uneducated for you and i publicly give up. lol

 

About punks, go and learn manners and how an armenian girl should talk and act in public if you wanna call yourself an armenian! So far you have proved very wrong, but its never too late... I am sure Nvard will be more than happy to help you with that.

 

Sip that is indeed difficult to believe. No, i am kidding... It's not a personal atack... not at all! Moreover I think this debade is not going anywhere and we should stop.

 

 

All the best!

Artur

[khodja]

Artur,

 

Still beating the same "old dumbeg" since I joined Hye Forum six months ago. Time for you to take a time machine back to the Middle Ages where you would feel more comfortable.

[Azat]

Once again as always replying to a message without showing any proof. Is that your form of debate. You just say what is in your mind without answering any questions that were asked to you?

 

Now Arturik jan, where was I proven wrong?

 

One more statistic to you to think about. Do you know who "The Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent" is? Take a guess what group of "Evil" people that compose 5% of the world population yet give 30%+ of the funding for the IFRC? But then again I am sure you would not want to answer that either.

 

Dear Koko, Keep on protesting. Someday maybe someone will pay attention to your protests.

[Azat]

Movses jan,
Hangist em. Kneres yete shat em xosum. I just hate little punks who think they are better Armenians because they are in Armenia or in Europe. And for some reason we in the states are "Evil".

[Sip]

YOU ARE WRONG.

I personally sent money out of my pocket to RED CROSS for the horrible earthquake in India. I know thousands of other people did (a few perosnally). That is a GIFT not a LOAN. I am not rich ... just a poor graduate student but I sent the money because I know I am much better off then those people. I am Armenian but I am also American. I am NOT saying everything US does is pure and clean ... BUT I am 100% sure that with all the bad stuff that is going on, there is also good things that happen.



You MISSED the point entirely. But for your info, yes, I rather live in a society that accepts a person's choice to be transexual if that means I get to have my FISH and CHESS. Is it that hard for you to believe this?

Once again, I (may be the only one) respect what you think. I also know many many many people think the same way as you. Also, let's all keep in mind that this is intellectual debate and NOT personal attack. Even if you (Arthur) have opinions that are very ridiculous in my mind, I live in a place and by rules that say it is OK for you to be like that! That's the beauty of where and how I live

[Sip]

I agree with the first part but disagree with the second. Of course at the end of the day US is out there to protects its own interests above all else. However, the US does care whether India and Pakistan start blowing each other into the sky with nuclear bombs. The US does care when the Serbs started a genocide on the muslim Boznians. Although it acted too late IMO, it did bomb Belgrade and it was the main force responsible for ending that "war".

Have you heard of Israel? If there was no US, there would be no Israel!!!

Once again, I am not saying that US is like an Angel looking to lend a helping hand to anyone. Actually far from it. It's just that it has its allies and it has its enemies.

Regarding the Taliban, at some point we had a common enemy which was the USSR. Of course the US helped the Afghans back then. But what do you expect to do when a few years later they come and blow up the heart and center of your home killing nearly 5000 civilians? Should we go and help the Taliban some more?

[Lucid_dream]

Every society has their goods/bads. There is no nation that is angelic, and every nation wants the best for themselves, therefore looking upon themselves before any other. AND THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!

 

The US has helped many & hurt many...so has every other powerful nation (USSR, etc.)that ever came to be.

 

Stop the narrow-minded egocentric talk. There is no evil, it's pure nature, simply relative to the "survival of the fittest."

[Arturian]

Azat, i was talking about your way of talking. Esh, stupid, idiot etc. etc. are these words coming out of an armenian girl? I don't believe!

 

And why are you feeding me with this red cross association? And why wouldn't i answer that?

 

Sip, it seems now we should swich to politics topic. Sorry but sound very childish saying the US helped those because they felt sorry. Politics are more dirty than you think. I believe what americans did in yugoslavia was one of their biggest mistakes. Why? Because the same albanians (kosovo albanians) atacked Macedonia. Why didn't you help Macedonia as those albanians were acting as terrorists? Cos everyone would know that your Kosovo policy was the biggest mistake. So the US stayed neutural.

Bro the main tradition of the US is to start a war every 10-20 years. There are different reasons for these wars, e.g. public's complaints about sexual relations of president with some prositutes, weapon testing, show off reasons etc. I believe in Yugoslavia you simply tested your weapons and the new technology in the warfield. Simple as that...

And about enemies... ask yourself... why does the US have enemies?... right! Because of its policy... But every empire has its own rise and fall, and i think the same fall is coming for the US. Don't get me wrong i don't wish it to happen, as i haven't got anything against the US, i simply dissagree with some points.

 

 

Regards,

Artur

[hasmiek]

quote

Azat, i was talking about your way of talking. Esh, stupid, idiot etc. etc. are these words coming out of an armenian girl? I don't believe!  

 

well artur;

 

I guess your opinions bring up those feelings in the armenian girls...

[Juggernaut]

Well, well I havnt posted for a while now, but people have kept on arguing about America and its role in this world. Its a good thing MJ is not around, or he may have proven you all (anti-Americans) insane , like he did to me, thats why I took my little brake . University starts for me again in March, but before then I'll try and put together a critical comprehensive analysis of Americas history from creation to current state. I might even enjoi it .

[koko]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[koko]

But havent you understood..? you are Evil ...

[khodja]

Artur has many co-thinkers in the USA. These people are the American equivalent of Zhirinovsky. A bunch of lunatics as far as I am concerned. They want women to be under the tutelage of their husbands. They want to set back the clock.

[MosJan]

KOKO jan is it only AZAT thats Evel or the USA is Evel or all the American-Armenians are Evel

[Harut]

ok, enough is enough.

i tried to stay out of this but it's just impossible.

 

fist of all i disapprove you Westerners to insult Artur for thinking the way he does. after all (like Sip said) that is what you Westerners promot the most (freedom of speach), don't you?

while i may disagree with many of things that Artur said in this topic, i don't blame him.

one thing you Westerners don't understand (or don't want to understand) is that what Artur says is what he was tought. that's the way of thinking he has, and i don't see anything wrong in his thinking. he states something, then he brings reasons for that. those reasons might not please you Westerners, but those are things that in his society people value the most.

start looking to the issue from the other side! what Artur thinks is thought by majority in his society, and that's why those things are still important there. so, if that's what majority wants and accapts then that's what ought to be there (again, aren't you ones promoting this?). and you can't tell that that's wrong, because that's right for them.

i agree tough that Artur doesn't look to the issue from your side either.

 

when i lived in Armenia i thought of US as the "hell" on the earth because what people were doing here were not accepted there. but when i moved here i started understanding that this is what people here like and value. now i don't consider it "heaven" but i can see what's going on.

 

another thing, you Westeners stop stereotyping all other kinds of thinking into "Taliban" thinking (good for you that they are around, otherwise what were you going to call people who think differently).

 

this is for now.

[MosJan]

Can some one tall me what has USA Political police has to do with American-Armenian Woman driving cars or, what has USA

 

To Arthur - Arthur are you in UK.?